Hinduphobia In Secular India

[MechEng]

On 4/21/2020 at 4:08 AM, Alam_dar said:

ٰI don't care about Sandeep, while he has personal enmity against me and he will always come up with any excuse to blame me. 

 

But I do care for you, and thus let me make my stance clear to you. 

 

It is not only about being "oppressed". Even if they are not being oppressed by Hindutva movement at moment, still all minorities automatically fear such movements in one way or another due to their violent nature. All minorities prefer to have a "secular" system. It is all a natural phenomenon. Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsi people, Hindu liberals ... they all (or at least their big majority) are automatically standing on the secular side of India. Hindutva movement is by nature unable to "integrate" them into it's folds. Yes, there may be some individuals from these groups who may join Hindutva movement for political reasons, but vast majority will always stay alien to it. 

 

In Punjab, some party/parties of Sikhs may make an alliance with BJP for political reasons, but vast majority of Sikhs are not joining the ranks of BJP itself. 

Sikhs in Delhi didn't vote for BJP in the recent elections. It is easy for Sikhs to join the ranks of AAP (or even Congress, or Communist Party of India), but it is not as easy for them to join BJP. 

 

Actually Sikhs should have problems with Congress, while BJP has never done any damage to the Sikh community. But still automatically a large numbers of Sikhs are joining Congress and even forming government in Punjab, but BJP is not even able to make government there through the alliance. Why is it happening so in Punjab? Answer is simple that it is a natural phenomenon where minorities will always going to fear right wing Hindutva movement, even if they are not oppressed by them. 

 

If Hindutva movement really wants to integrate these minorities into it's folds, then it has to become a lot more Secular itself. While with the present right wing/extreme right wing policies of Hindutva movement, it is not going to happen. 

You are exaggerating it. In reality the situation is not that grim.

 

I guess the best way for you to be convinced would be spending some time in India and exploring it, but that doesn't look possible in a long time.

[mishra]

16 hours ago, MechEng said:

You are exaggerating it. In reality the situation is not that grim.

 

I guess the best way for you to be convinced would be spending some time in India and exploring it, but that doesn't look possible in a long time.

You think India hasnt given enough evidence to prosecute JeM cheif. Or  if Pakistanis really wanted to prosecute him and hang him. The main problem is not lack or availability of evidence.

Issue is,  Pakistanis themselves have 200 million JeM Maulanana Masood Azhar. But they are mostly Fattoo Masood Azhars. So , expecting them to open the eyes and look at evidences is impossible 

Edited April 24, 2020 by mishra

[Gollum]

[coffee_rules]

On 4/24/2020 at 8:49 PM, Gollum said:

BKL

[LordPrabhzy]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/hindi/after-ramayan-and-mahabharat-dd-to-re-telecast-shri-krishna/articleshow/75391527.cms

 

Liberals are going to have a meltdown after this...

[Gollum]

 

Iqbal, Zakir Naik 

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, Gollum said:

 

Iqbal, Zakir Naik 

Biggest Bigots calling others bigots

[Gollum]

Mosques get 5,450-tonne free rice; temples must pay Rs 10 crores in Tamil Nadu

https://www.sirfnews.com/mosques-get-5450-tonne-free-rice-temples-must-pay-rs-10-crore-in-tamil-nadu/

 

Indian style secularism. Why this facade? Just kill all Hindus in India and be done with it. 

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The Tamil Nadu government has ordered 47 temples in the state to donate Rs 10 crore to the CM Relief Fund whereas the state government had on 16 April ordered 5,450 tonnes of free rice to be distributed to 2,895 mosques in the month of Ramzan in the service of fasting Muslims.

At a time when the struggle to free the temple administration from the clutches of the government is intensifying, the Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowment Department (HR and CE) of the Tamil Nadu government has set aside 47 temples to raise an additional Rs 10 crore has been directed to the CM Relief Fund.

Meanwhile, BJP’s Tamil Nadu unit president L Murugan had on Saturday urged the AIADMK government to resume Annadanam (serving food to the hungry) in temples maintained by the Hindu religious and charitable endowment department in the state to provide food to the poor and sadhus.

Murugan said this, drawing a parallel with the state government’s grant to the Islamic community by way of donating free rice to the believers during Ramzan.

Mosques and churches not ordered to donate

The Tamil Nadu government directive to donate to the CM Relief Fund does not apply to churches, mosques or other Christian and Muslim hubs and institutions, which receive government grants annually. Yet, in its own wisdom, the Madras High Court had earlier rejected a petition, refusing to interfere with the Tamil Nadu government’s order to distribute free rice to mosques in the month of Ramzan.

The bench had cited the Supreme Court’s statement in which the apex court had said that the government was not opposed to the idea of facilitating pilgrimage of any community. For example, the government had mentioned the cost of Kumbh and helping Indian citizens in their Mansarovar pilgrimage.

However, the bench did not mention how the temples could pay at a time of lockdown when no devotee is offering donations.

How HR and CE exploit Hindus to appease Muslims

HR and CE Principal Secretary K Panindra Reddy directed all the officials working under him in 47 temples including those in Madurai, Palani, Thiruchendur, Tirutani, Tiruvannamalai, Rameswaram and Mayilapur to feed the poor during the lockdown by contributing Rs 35 lakh from the “surplus” fund.

Other temples have been directed to pay sums in the range of Rs 15 lakh to Rs 25 lakh.

All 47 temples have to transfer a surplus fund of Rs 10 crore to CM Relief Fund to fight the coronavirus epidemic. This, even as Tamil Nadu is among the most successful states in putting up a fight against the contagion, where the graph of infection has flattened, which means there should be no urgency to extract money from additional sources like temples.

The policy is curious even in terms of politics. According to 2011 Census of India figures, 87.58% of Tamil Nadu’s population are Hindus, 6.12% are Christians, 5.86% are Muslims, 0.12% are Jains, 0.02% are Buddhists and 0.01% are Sikhs. This means there should be no politically compelling reason to pander to Muslims — if not it is under an obligation to serve some foreign Islamic powers.

The HR and CE manage 36,612 temples in Tamil Nadu. These endowed temples are protected, renewed or restored by their surplus funds. Millions of priests depend entirely on donations from devotees for their sustenance. They are now stranded and facing starvation due to the COVID epidemic and the nationwide shutdown.

The Tamil Nadu state government, instead of helping them, has targeted the property of Hindu temples to pursue its appeasement politics.

At the beginning of the festival of Ramadan among Muslims, the Tamil Nadu state government announced a major benefit to Muslims. It was started by the then chief minister, the late J Jayalalithaa, to win the hearts and votes of the Muslims.

The Tamil Nadu government had announced that 5,450-tonne rice would be given to 2,895 mosques this year for preparing porridge, which according to a simple calculation comes out to be a cost of Rs 21,80,00,000 whereas no similar help or plan is given to prepare offerings to the village deities of Hindus during the Chitra and Anadi months.

The festivities in the temples have been cancelled due to the lockdown, and yet Muslims would be appeased at the cost of Hindu temple money!

The policy of the present Tamil Nadu government suggests that it is trying to completely squeeze out Hindu temples of their resources. The state government collects more than Rs 3,000 crore per year from Hindu temples from hundi collections, offerings, various darshan tickets, special program fees, etc while only between Rs 4 crore and Rs 6 crore is given back for maintenance of these Hindu places of worship. The remaining Rs 2,995 crore remain with the government.

‘Refund our money,’ demand mutt heads

Srivilliputhur Vaishnavit Math chief Sadgopa Ramanuj Jiyar has urged the Tamil Nadu government to spend the temple money to save priests and dasas from dying of poverty and starvation.

Krishnaswamy, the head of Puthia Tamizhagam, has appealed to the chief minister to refund the amount of Rs 10 crore received from the temples.

 

[Gollum]

What will it take to free our temples from govt control? What is stopping BJP from doing so in states where they rule? In TN for every 3000 crores the temple must surrender to the extortionist (state govt), only 4-6 crores allotted for maintenance and security. Secular India is worse than Delhi Sultanate, Mughal Empire and British Raj. Each of the politicians and judges in India is worse than Aurangzeb. 

[coffee_rules]

This is a scam run by BJP Govt as well. Laanat hain.

@Askanshul

 

One side:

Tamil Nadu govt has asked 47 temples to donate a total of Rs 10 crores to the CM Relief Fund for fight against coronavirus

Other side:

Tamil Nadu govt is distributing 5,450 tonnes of rice to 2,895 Mosques for the month of Ramadan under scheme started by Jayalalithaa

[Gollum]

14 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

This is a scam run by BJP Govt as well. Laanat hain.

@Askanshul

 

One side:

Tamil Nadu govt has asked 47 temples to donate a total of Rs 10 crores to the CM Relief Fund for fight against coronavirus

Other side:

Tamil Nadu govt is distributing 5,450 tonnes of rice to 2,895 Mosques for the month of Ramadan under scheme started by Jayalalithaa

Every party wants to loot our temple reserves dry, the amount of gold out there is unimaginable. I am telling you, the invaders weren't as bad as post-47 secular India. 

[Manny_Pacquiao]

On 4/30/2020 at 11:16 AM, Gollum said:

What will it take to free our temples from govt control? What is stopping BJP from doing so in states where they rule? In TN for every 3000 crores the temple must surrender to the extortionist (state govt), only 4-6 crores allotted for maintenance and security. Secular India is worse than Delhi Sultanate, Mughal Empire and British Raj. Each of the politicians and judges in India is worse than Aurangzeb. 

Why would they? BJP state governments collect funds from temples.

 

 

Its basically free money. Even ayodhya will be a government controlled site.

[Gollum]

19 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

Why would they? BJP state governments collect funds from temples.

 

 

Its basically free money. Even ayodhya will be a government controlled site.

This fake secular state has destroyed dharmics, Hindus in particular. 

[rkt.india]

Don't know why people blaming govt for using temple money. What's the use of that money and gold if it can't be used in such catastrophic times. People are losing their brains. It's absolutely fine for govt to use money and gold reserves of temples. It's lying in the coffers is of no use and is just a waste.

[Alam_dar]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Don't know why people blaming govt for using temple money. What's the use of that money and gold if it can't be used in such catastrophic times. People are losing their brains. It's absolutely fine for govt to use money and gold reserves of temples. It's lying in the coffers is of no use and is just a waste.

I think main problem is temples are not getting money from the governments, while the mosques and madaris are getting money. 

 

Rest I totally agree with you. The statues of gods don't need that they are bathed in MILK and they are made out of gold or there should be an army of Pandits who should sing songs and recite poems in order to praise these gods. 

 

In Pakistan we have 2-3 mosques on every road and then millions of students passing out as Molvis from thousands of madaris every year. And then Allah who want to be praised 5 times daily, and then 99% Quran is filled with Allah's praise, and then millions of animals are sacrificed in order to make Allah happy, and then Billions of Dollars are spent every year for useless acts like Hajj and Umra. 

 

While there are many children in Pakistan who don't even get enough milk to drink every day. 

[Gollum]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Don't know why people blaming govt for using temple money. What's the use of that money and gold if it can't be used in such catastrophic times. People are losing their brains. It's absolutely fine for govt to use money and gold reserves of temples. It's lying in the coffers is of no use and is just a waste.

1300 workers/employees in Tirumala (Balaji) temple were laid off last week, 1300 families destroyed. This when govt controls the temples and collects 1000s of crores as jizya from hundis. Don't need such a system in India, if temples are given the authority to use the money/gold as they wish they would do a much much better job including feeding the poor (imagine the scale of annadanam, no Hindu will ever go hungry). Another thing I don't want my hundi money diverted for treatment of these TJ creeps or to set up life of some extremist maulana in Deoband. Hindu priests in Hyderabad were begging on the streets a few days ago cos temples were shut, why can't govt take care of such people? Kejriwal announced huge hike for Muslim clerics this year, what about temple priests? 

 

On 4/30/2020 at 9:09 PM, coffee_rules said:

This is a scam run by BJP Govt as well. Laanat hain.

Coffee bhai, rkt.india is a BJP supporter, many others like him who share this sentiment. No hope !!!!

Edited May 7, 2020 by Gollum

[rkt.india]

41 minutes ago, Gollum said:

1300 workers/employees in Tirumala (Balaji) temple were laid off last week, 1300 families destroyed. This when govt controls the temples and collects 1000s of crores as jizya from hundis. Don't need such a system in India, if temples are given the authority to use the money/gold as they wish they would do a much much better job including feeding the poor (imagine the scale of annadanam, no Hindu will ever go hungry). Another thing I don't want my hundi money diverted for treatment of these TJ creeps or to set up life of some extremist maulana in Deoband. Hindu priests in Hyderabad were begging on the streets a few days ago cos temples were shut, why can't govt take care of such people? Kejriwal announced huge hike for Muslim clerics this year, what about temple priests? 

 

Coffee bhai, rkt.india is a BJP supporter, many others like him who share this sentiment. No hope !!!!

Employees being laid off is a different issue to talk about and wrong thing done by govt when temples have money to pay. We shouldn't mix two different issues.  Temple management should oppose govt in that regard.

  

Also, I am not a supporter of any party. I just try see things in context, perspective and rationale. Money kept lying in temple account at this precarious time has no rationale. We also need to be realistic about things and expectations.

Edited May 7, 2020 by rkt.india

[Manny_Pacquiao]

21 hours ago, Gollum said:

This fake secular state has destroyed dharmics, Hindus in particular. 

Do you have an issue with a government like the BJP using temple funds?

 

I can understand why this would be an issue if there was a congress government in power, or like in kerala - a communist government - which uses temple money to build churches and mosques.

 

 

[Gollum]

10 hours ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

Do you have an issue with a government like the BJP using temple funds?

 

I can understand why this would be an issue if there was a congress government in power, or like in kerala - a communist government - which uses temple money to build churches and mosques.

Of course I have a big issue, BJP is no saint party, has enough crooks to swindle the money. Basic question is if they can't touch church property (largest owner of land in India) or zakat of Muslims why do they want to control temples? 

[Gollum]

Anshul Saxena

 

@AskAnshul

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When fruit vendors put saffron flags, it's communal Hindu woman was threatened for watching TV during Ramzan in Nazira. What's it? Secularism? Ironically, people have problem with TV's sound during Ramzan. But if anyone talks about Azaan's sound, then secularism comes in danger