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That's what happens when you neglect the "sacred part". Diwali is just not a Happy New Year. It is about the victory of Lord Ram, and this Ramayan is the oldest narrative in the world. It deserves celebrations of all kinds, not restrictions to just one kind.

 

Similarly, cartoons are of equal concern. We have these days many cartoons of our gods. Yet, they remove the sacred part, and only fantasy. Ultimately, for future generations, they would consider likes of Lord Krishna, as just cartoons, or some made-up story. Not as history, so we are losing this battle and it has to be corrected soon.

 

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Not only firecracker ban: Three other loony ideas the NGT has come up with to ‘save the environment

 

Ahead of Diwali, the NGT ordered a strict firecracker ban to enforced in all cities and towns where the ambient air quality was poor. It is not clear what they were doing the rest of the year to control pollution and why their attempts were not successful.

 

14 November, 2020
OpIndia Staff

 

The National Green Tribunal (NGT) has been criticised widely by people on social media for its crackdown on crackers across the country. Ahead of Diwali, the NGT ordered a strict firecracker ban to enforced in all cities and towns where the ambient air quality was poor. It is not clear what they were doing the rest of the year to control pollution and why their attempts were not successful.

 

Sleeping the entire year and then ruining festivities for everyone on Diwali appears a rather bizarre move. But it’s not the only supremely idiotic move the NGT has proposed in recent times.

 

Some of the solutions they have proposed to pollution are so unbelievably bizarre that they beggar belief. Any sensible country would disband the institution outright and be done with it. But not in our country.

 

In this report, we shall look into three of the greatest ideas they have come up with.

 

[b]‘Explore alternatives to traditional cremation’[/b]


If Hindus were under the impression that they will be permitted to cremate their dead in peace, they are clearly mistaken. In 2016, the wise men of the NGT asked the Delhi government and the Union Environment Ministry to provide for alternative methods of cremation because the traditional way of cremation was too pollution. We are not joking.

The NGT bench said, “The issue involves question of faith and circumstances in which the people live, … It is, therefore, the responsibility of the men who lead, particularly religious leaders, to steer the faith in a direction so as to change the mindset of people practising their faith and make them adopt practices which are environment-friendly.”

The bench did not stop there, however, and went on to add that during traditional methods of cremation, “the forest cover is sacrificed and obnoxious gases emanated from the burning of human mortal remains pollute the air.” Words cannot capture the indecency of this remark, of course. But then again, such lunacy is the hallmark of Indian governance.

In July, however, the NGT refused to entertain a plea that sought a direction for the installation of alternative methods of cremation to reduce air pollution and to control the spread of the Wuhan Coronavirus.

 

[b]‘No Mantra chanting at Amarnath Cave’[/b]
It is another brilliant idea that the NGT came up with in 2017. The NGT declared the Amarnath cave Shrine a ‘silence zone’ and prohibited religious offerings beyond the entry point. Earlier, the NGT had claimed that declaring the area a ‘silence zone’ will help prevent avalanches. “Nobody would be permitted to carry anything from the stairs leading to the holy cave and everybody should be properly frisked at the entry point. From the point of stairs and the area inside the cave should be declared silence zone,” the NGT bench said.

The Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) was not pleased with such antics and labelled it a “Tughlaki fatwa”. Subsequently, the NGT appeared to walk back on its delusional order and ‘clarified’ that there was no ‘silence zone’ had been declared at the Amarnath Cave Shrine.

 

[b]‘No Chhat Puja at Sarobar Lake’[/b]
Kolkata Mayor Firhad Hakim and authorities in West Bengal were running pillar to post in September to ensure that the NGT order banning Chhat Puja at the Rabindra Sarobar lake in Kolkata. However, the NGT rejected the West Bengal government’s plea which proposed to facilitate the Hindu festival at the said place.Subsequently, the Kolkata Metropolitan Development Authority (KMDA) approached the Supreme Court regarding the matter. The Bench has posted the matter for hearing on the 16th of November.It is also pertinent to remember that despite the ban, Hindus had proceeded to stormed inside and offered the Puja at the lake.[/quote]
 

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In India only Hindus need to reform from Diwali celebrations to women rights to same sex marriage acceptances. 

 

Whilst the 200 - 300 million Muslims and Christians get a free pass even though they are the biggest culprits of these social issues.

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8 hours ago, chewy said:

In India only Hindus need to reform from Diwali celebrations to women rights to same sex marriage acceptances. 

 

Whilst the 200 - 300 million Muslims and Christians get a free pass even though they are the biggest culprits of these social issues.

 

Diwali- Fireworks bad for pollution, health and animals

 

Holi- Colours are bad for environment

 

Karva Chaut and Raksha Bandhan- Oppressive to women

 

Kumbh Mela- Gathering of pothead and vulgar sadhus

 

BUT BUT BUT

 

Eid ul Adha- No issues

 

Eid ul Fitr- No issues

 

Christmas- No issues

 

If you hindus in India dont wake up and smell the damn coffee, you are going to be extinct in the next generation. WAKE THE EFF UPP!!

 

 

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3 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

Diwali- Fireworks bad for pollution, health and animals

 

Holi- Colours are bad for environment

 

Karva Chaut and Raksha Bandhan- Oppressive to women

 

Kumbh Mela- Gathering of pothead and vulgar sadhus

 

BUT BUT BUT

 

Eid ul Adha- No issues

 

Eid ul Fitr- No issues

 

Christmas- No issues

 

If you hindus in India dont wake up and smell the damn coffee, you are going to be extinct in the next generation. WAKE THE EFF UPP!!

 

 


I am yet to be convinced that one night of fire crackers on Diwali is the real cause of pollution in India and in particular Delhi smog. Its a lot more into it. 

 

Everyone, at Sydney harbor to NY still burst crackers on New Years eve and will continue to do that. I understand that we need to take care of our pollution because at the end of the day Indians are the ones who have to live in India and not others, but banning firecrackers which people anyway do once a year is not a solution for me. There is a lot more to this. 
 

Kids and families have been so brainwashed since these movements and rallies have been going on which teaches kids “Say No to Crackers” that people have forgoten that pollution and smog happens pre-Diwali and in December too and January. 

 

Pade like “rattu-toote” Gawaar bhare pade hai desh mein. 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

Diwali- Fireworks bad for pollution, health and animals

 

Holi- Colours are bad for environment

 

Karva Chaut and Raksha Bandhan- Oppressive to women

 

Kumbh Mela- Gathering of pothead and vulgar sadhus

 

BUT BUT BUT

 

Eid ul Adha- No issues

 

Eid ul Fitr- No issues

 

Christmas- No issues

 

If you hindus in India dont wake up and smell the damn coffee, you are going to be extinct in the next generation. WAKE THE EFF UPP!!

 

 

BC abhi new year anney do ye sab bharwey bollywood, Hollywood waley aur puri duniya waley pagal kutto ki tarah patakhe jalyengey. 

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11 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

Diwali- Fireworks bad for pollution, health and animals

 

Holi- Colours are bad for environment

 

Karva Chaut and Raksha Bandhan- Oppressive to women

 

Kumbh Mela- Gathering of pothead and vulgar sadhus

 

BUT BUT BUT

 

Eid ul Adha- No issues

 

Eid ul Fitr- No issues

 

Christmas- No issues

 

If you hindus in India dont wake up and smell the damn coffee, you are going to be extinct in the next generation. WAKE THE EFF UPP!!

 

 


Disagree with the strategic thinking. We have to make any Hinduphobia as the line, or non-negotiables irrespective of other religions. 

 

Your logic is for taking away freedom from other religions, and you will give up yours. That’s a defensive posturing and shows you are up for sale and negotiations. 

 

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On 11/15/2020 at 6:38 PM, coffee_rules said:

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No comments, associated with AYUSH. Jiyo mere lallo!

But why no comments please clarify why you feel its rightious for a man to ask his wife to prove her purity by self immolation obviously you know the truth pls share.

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7 hours ago, Vilander said:

But why no comments please clarify why you feel its rightious for a man to ask his wife to prove her purity by self immolation obviously you know the truth pls share.


The no comments was about the amount of ignorance and hatred for Hinduism, in general, she was showing , besides, being associated with a so called RW BJP   government.

 

Do you want to debate about the Agnipareeksha? Then you got to read about Dharma and learn about the nuances in the story before using words like righteousness.

 

Rama’s narrative is about that one perfect person. Physically and morally. Ajaanubhahu gives him that stature of a  physically perfect man, a manifestation of a supreme being. Maryada purushottam is about how a perfect man ideally has to behave. Ek patnivrata (one woman man, monogamy) is a virtue that is basis of a purushottam (the uttama of all purusha) . You can’t fool around with multiple women as a Raja especially. That is why he is revered that no feminist speaks about.
 

The moola Ramayana doesn’t dwell too much on Agnipareeksha, but the emotion is that he believed in Sita. But as a king who would be seen as ideal , has to set an example as per Rajadharma, he had to ask Sita to do the agnipareeksha. The moola Ramayana has dealt with so many verses from Sita going through this emotion about her resentment about Rama choosing a perfect societal virtue over her. Modern feminists are terming him, based on those emotions or shlokas, as a coward, MCP, self-righteous with a western compass of morality and fake feminism, are  exactly depicting hatred for a Hindu God who is revered by billions. It is all ok as per SM and twitter, but a similar moral compass can’t  be extended to a guy who justifies marrying a 7 yr old and consummates the marriage with a nine year old , because they don’t have the cojones to question it.

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6 hours ago, coffee_rules said:


The no comments was about the amount of ignorance and hatred for Hinduism, in general, she was showing , besides, being associated with a so called RW BJP   government.

 

Do you want to debate about the Agnipareeksha? Then you got to read about Dharma and learn about the nuances in the story before using words like righteousness.

 

Rama’s narrative is about that one perfect person. Physically and morally. Ajaanubhahu gives him that stature of a  physically perfect man, a manifestation of a supreme being. Maryada purushottam is about how a perfect man ideally has to behave. Ek patnivrata (one woman man, monogamy) is a virtue that is basis of a purushottam (the uttama of all purusha) . You can’t fool around with multiple women as a Raja especially. That is why he is revered that no feminist speaks about.
 

The moola Ramayana doesn’t dwell too much on Agnipareeksha, but the emotion is that he believed in Sita. But as a king who would be seen as ideal , has to set an example as per Rajadharma, he had to ask Sita to do the agnipareeksha. The moola Ramayana has dealt with so many verses from Sita going through this emotion about her resentment about Rama choosing a perfect societal virtue over her. Modern feminists are terming him, based on those emotions or shlokas, as a coward, MCP, self-righteous with a western compass of morality and fake feminism, are  exactly depicting hatred for a Hindu God who is revered by billions. It is all ok as per SM and twitter, but a similar moral compass can’t  be extended to a guy who justifies marrying a 7 yr old and consummates the marriage with a nine year old , because they don’t have the cojones to question it.

Story is very simple if someone can understand mentality behind it. A citizen of Ayodhya claims he is neither Ram nor king that he will take his wife into his family again. So what were alternative. Ram to ignore the view held by a citizen who has his doubts and do whatever he wants. Should he punish that citizen? Should he accepts what citizen says and divorce Sita? Should he ignore that person who has his own doubts. Should there be one social rule for citizen and other for king?  Or should he choose a path where by he as a king sets a example to his citizens that Sita (representing a woman), just because in captivity of Ravana ( symbolising evil) doesn't mean that woman necessarily becomes different. Agnepariksha atleast told itizens of Ayodhya to change the mindset.

1. King does not gets treated differently then his citizens. Rules are same.

2. Woman must not be disawoed simply on basis of "suspiscion of adultery". Society has to change the view.

3. Justice doesn't just needs to served It should be perceived to be done as well.

 

 

Fact is Ram didn't disavow Sita after conquest of Lanka. Infact, he took long ardous route of building a allaince going all the way to Lanka and getting Sita back. The whole war was for Sita, not for speredaig territory, religion or influence. It was a war for dignity of a woman.thousand years of billions of peoples history across varisious civilation and various ages and mindset, including modern world, there is not a single instance where a example like this can be seen where a woman's dignity has been prioritised apart from age of Ayodhya and Ram

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On 11/16/2020 at 1:19 AM, Cricketics said:


I am yet to be convinced that one night of fire crackers on Diwali is the real cause of pollution in India and in particular Delhi smog. Its a lot more into it. 

 

Everyone, at Sydney harbor to NY still burst crackers on New Years eve and will continue to do that. I understand that we need to take care of our pollution because at the end of the day Indians are the ones who have to live in India and not others, but banning firecrackers which people anyway do once a year is not a solution for me. There is a lot more to this. 
 

Kids and families have been so brainwashed since these movements and rallies have been going on which teaches kids “Say No to Crackers” that people have forgoten that pollution and smog happens pre-Diwali and in December too and January. 

 

Pade like “rattu-toote” Gawaar bhare pade hai desh mein. 

 

 

 

There was a ban this year but index is showing its poorer than last year. Blaming Diwali celeberations and crackers is NGTs trying to find a excuse for unplanned development of city and sale of green belts.

https://www.financialexpress.com/lifestyle/science/delhi-air-quality-index-diwali-2020-sees-higher-presence-of-pollutants-than-2019-cpcb-tells-ngt/2129467/

 

Infact Lahore which is miles away from Delhi struggles every year with same issue without any Diwali.

 

If its still not clear to anti Cracker brigade.

 

Here is data for 5th November and 14th November and 15th November

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10 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

But as a king who would be seen as ideal , has to set an example as per Rajadharma,

 

Rajdharma was for husband to ask women to burn themselves after being held captive by a goon. Seems rajaadharma to me. Lol and you are defending it here ? 

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10 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

The moola Ramayana has dealt with so many verses from Sita going through this emotion about her resentment about Rama choosing a perfect societal virtue over her. Modern feminists are terming him, based on those emotions or shlokas, as a coward, MCP, self-righteous with a western compass of morality and fake feminism, are  exactly depicting hatred for a Hindu God who is revered by billions. It is all ok as per SM and twitter, but a similar moral compass can’t  be extended to a guy who justifies marrying a 7 yr old and consummates the marriage with a nine year old , because they don’t have the cojones to question it.

 

This is whataboutism. But if we are OK with our God asking his wife to burn herself to prove her purity then we have no right to question any ones else's religion on morality. 

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2 minutes ago, Vilander said:

 

Rajdharma was for husband to ask women to burn themselves after being held captive by a goon. Seems rajadharma to me. Lol and you are defending it here ? 

 

As a Raja , his Rajadharma takes precedence over Patidharma.  I am not defending, trying to explain. If you defend all the name-calling, you may choose to do so. He is still going to be revered, not only for the said actions.

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3 hours ago, mishra said:

Story is very simple if someone can understand mentality behind it. A citizen of Ayodhya claims he is neither Ram nor king that he will take his wife into his family again. So what were alternative. Ram to ignore the view held by a citizen who has his doubts and do whatever he wants. Should he punish that citizen? Should he accepts what citizen says and divorce Sita? Should he ignore that person who has his own doubts. Should there be one social rule for citizen and other for king?  Or should he choose a path where by he as a king sets a example to his citizens that Sita (representing a woman), just because in captivity of Ravana ( symbolising evil) doesn't mean that woman necessarily becomes different. Agnepariksha atleast told itizens of Ayodhya to change the mindset.

1. King does not gets treated differently then his citizens. Rules are same.

2. Woman must not be disawoed simply on basis of "suspiscion of adultery". Society has to change the view.

3. Justice doesn't just needs to served It should be perceived to be done as well.

 

 

Fact is Ram didn't disavow Sita after conquest of Lanka. Infact, he took long ardous route of building a allaince going all the way to Lanka and getting Sita back. The whole war was for Sita, not for speredaig territory, religion or influence. It was a war for dignity of a woman.thousand years of billions of peoples history across varisious civilation and various ages and mindset, including modern world, there is not a single instance where a example like this can be seen where a woman's dignity has been prioritised apart from age of Ayodhya and Ram

 

So you are saying in it being accepted as normal at the time it happened obsolves it from the current lense we put it through ? Meaning Ram proved he is like a commoner when he asked his wife to burn and thats his virtue, we can not question the act itself as it was normal at that time. ? The only thing we need to acknowledge is that it is not applicable to current time. but thats needs to be decisively acknowledged.

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3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

As a Raja , his Rajadharma takes precedence over Patidharma.  I am not defending, trying to explain. If you defend all the name-calling, you may choose to do so. He is still going to be revered, not only for the said actions.

Stop being emotional where did I name call ? Lol don't defend burning an other human being pls. 

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