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3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Rashid is extremely quick through air kuldeep is not. Its not that rashid hasnt had his bad days . Zampa to has lost his place many times so this will happen to every one. Imad wasim is a 5th bowled so he doesnt have wkt taking pressure as he can get away with good econmy. Imad bowling falls under krunal category....their strength is variation in length n pace thats it. 

Kuldeep is working on his action to be quick through since a year but this takes a lot of time and a lot of bowling. Currently he is struggling with consistency in line n lengths which means he also isnt fully in control of his changes till now

 

Kulcha also repeead huge benefit from each other now mostly they have jadeja at other end who either leak runs or doesnt take wkts. 

Agree with your views. But it has already been an year since they have lost their form. Last match kuldeep still had the support of a good target to defend..the way he was hit indicated that there will more such games in future. 

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The problem with kuldeep is  with the slower speed batsmen can line you up, you have to vary ur pace according to conditions, Shane warne sucked here for good part of career, but during 2004 tour to India he realized that bowling flatter and quicker is the way to go, so he started bowling a bit quicker and flatter so that batters can't line him up or charge at him, so batsmen were indecisive and as a result lost their wickets, swann and panesar were hammered in 1st test in 2012 ,later they started bowling quickly off course with the turners it helped but they knew they have to do something different, kuldeep and chahal both are not doing that, they are content with what they are doing right now, like batsmen bowler too needs to evolve consistently, murli when he started bowling dusra, people use to pick his offie or dusra since he use to bowl with conventional seam, he started using scrambled seam, he developed a teesra ,had a Flipper too all Flipper and slider are must for spinners, considering batters looks to line them up, these two deliveries  bring lbw into play and bowled too,  also they need to work on  the varying speed aspect ,as ideal pace varies from conditions to conditions,other thing kuldeep needs to do is work on his fitness, I for one feel we also need to start looking for alternatives as well keeping these two  in their toes, guys like markande, gopal, chahar needs to be tried out in between. 

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4 hours ago, putrevus said:

Rahul is fit in odi  now because he is keeping the wickets and playing in middle order. Rahul  stunk in tests those are facts. I don't change my opinions based on results like you.

 

I always wanted Rahul to keep wickets years back when he was with RCB before Pant even came into picture.

From repeating the nonsense of there being no talent in India and abusing young players to cheerlead captain fool’s whimsical decisions to oh but I don’t change my opinion based on results. Nice.

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Time is ripe for india to groom another group of wrist spinners for loi cricket who can also hold bat to provide much needed balance to the team.. young bishnoi, chahar, gopal seems to be ideal candidates... bishnoi bowls quicker.. whoever he is in piyush chawla mold where is googlies turns more than his wrist spinners.. tho he has capabilities with bat nd is electric in the field..  he needs to be groomed.. same for chahar..  meanwhile shreyas gopal should also be given a go in A team's tours.. 

 

Kuldeep is pretty much down nd hurt... He will lose u more match on his own than he can win..  if he has to survive in limited over cricket he needs to develop nd amend into a better bowler.. or else his days are numbered..  also his shambolic fielding nd fitness isn't doing any good for him of late..

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15 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Also when i use to say dont count players like rahul, pant, pandya useless till they play 70*75 odi , u were the only admant on calling them failures, talentless when they didnt even play 15 games. 

Now u wanna wait to announce them successful for 75 games which is right but then be fair n give tht much tims to atleast call them failures , useless or talentless . 

Don't include Pandya , he is just a bits and pieces player who was a right fit till Dhoni was here, unless Pandya becomes number 6 he is a useless addition to this team in long run.

 

Rahul unless he is keeping is useless to team in odis.You were clamoring about his increased SR , thats why I said let us revisit after 75 odis. That means he needs to play good enough to be part of the team for 75 odis.

 

Pant is not good enough to play 75 odis as of now, if it changes we will revisit the issue.Don't mix up things.

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11 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

From repeating the nonsense of there being no talent in India and abusing young players to cheerlead captain fool’s whimsical decisions to oh but I don’t change my opinion based on results. Nice.

If Rahul was good enough as batsman he would not have to be wicket keeper to fit into the ODI team.He is fitting into the team because he is keeping and playing in the middle order.He was/is not better than Indian top 3 in odis.

 

Same thing goes to talent in the middle order if there was a great middle order batsmen available in the system they would not have to make Rahul into no5 or play a guy like Dubey.

 

All the talent coming up is one dimesional top order batsmen. Kohli is doing fine stop your whinging it is becoming boring.

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

If Rahul was good enough as batsman he would not have to be wicket keeper to fit into the ODI team.He is fitting into the team because he is keeping and playing in the middle order.He was/is not better than Indian top 3 in odis.

If rahul was bad he wudnt have been avg 47 

fit in or not is captain n team problem which they failed

He wasnt better then top 3 but was good good enough to play in other position as he is showing 

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Same thing goes to talent in the middle order if there was a great middle order batsmen available in the system they would not have to make Rahul into no5 or play a guy like Dubey.

Iyer, gill, pant all are avl .....Rahul batted at 5 out of accident and it worked something they shud have tried long ago when he made runs in middle in t20 

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All the talent coming up is one dimesional top order batsmen. Kohli is doing fine stop your whinging it is becoming boring.

ohhh stop ur defense argument that is so weak that u get surrounded by ur argument

If he is doing well then ill say where are the cups despite being 2 of the best teams in the World. dont crib every team has problem....pakistan n Nz has more issue yet one won CT and other was finalist in wc

Why are youngsters mishandles-1st rahul, then pant and now saini......and every Ex cricketer are now speaking against this farce 

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53 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Don't include Pandya , he is just a bits and pieces player who was a right fit till Dhoni was here, unless Pandya becomes number 6 he is a useless addition to this team in long run.

No he is a specialist power hitter and its a specialist job that every team has....who also give su 10 overs regulalry now. Without pandya this team balance has gone off 

Pandya can bat at 5 but no one can bat at 7 , name one player who is capable of doing power hitting job at 7 in pandya absence . We are playing jadeja who s/r at 7 is abysmal who career at 7 has been abysmal 

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Rahul unless he is keeping is useless to team in odis.You were clamoring about his increased SR , thats why I said let us revisit after 75 odis. That means he needs to play good enough to be part of the team for 75 odis.

even if pandya comes there are 2 slots empty 5 n 6 and rahul without keeping owns it 

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Pant is not good enough to play 75 odis as of now, if it changes we will revisit the issue.Don't mix up things.

u said the same about rahul so wait even on pant he ll make u eat words to 

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9 hours ago, Amit228 said:

Time is ripe for india to groom another group of wrist spinners for loi cricket who can also hold bat to provide much needed balance to the team.. young bishnoi, chahar, gopal seems to be ideal candidates... bishnoi bowls quicker.. whoever he is in piyush chawla mold where is googlies turns more than his wrist spinners.. tho he has capabilities with bat nd is electric in the field..  he needs to be groomed.. same for chahar..  meanwhile shreyas gopal should also be given a go in A team's tours.. 

 

Kuldeep is pretty much down nd hurt... He will lose u more match on his own than he can win..  if he has to survive in limited over cricket he needs to develop nd amend into a better bowler.. or else his days are numbered..  also his shambolic fielding nd fitness isn't doing any good for him of late..

Yes & at this rate we'll find the next Warne probably by the end of this millennia :hmm:'

Instead of tinkering with his action or making him bowl faster, how about ask him to be more accurate, spin the ball more & develop more variations. If LO cricket has taught us anything is that bowling faster gets you farther into the stands but hey let's ignore that!

 

The new Swann' at 22, retired five years later: Adam Riley at peace with fall from prominence

Perceived need for speed led offspinner to lose his action after touring with England Lions

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26 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Yes & at this rate we'll find the next Warne probably by the end of this millennia :hmm:'

Instead of tinkering with his action or making him bowl faster, how about ask him to be more accurate, spin the ball more & develop more variations. If LO cricket has taught us anything is that bowling faster gets you farther into the stands but hey let's ignore that!

 

The new Swann' at 22, retired five years later: Adam Riley at peace with fall from prominence

Perceived need for speed led offspinner to lose his action after touring with England Lions

Great post...His variations have all but dried up and even stock ball is spinning less/seems to have less zip. Earlier I remember slider, top spinner...But now its only googly. Confidence is low, so obviously he's reluctant to try variations...he needs to go back to domestics and just bowl long spells.

 

For me kuldeep is crucial for india to dominate tests in SENA in this decade. t20 wc is minor in grand scheme,and we shld hv given shreyas/r chahar a good run, but guess it's too late for this year's WC now - kohli just has to trust chahal and jadeja.

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4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

No he is a specialist power hitter and its a specialist job that every team has....who also give su 10 overs regulalry now. Without pandya this team balance has gone off 

Pandya can bat at 5 but no one can bat at 7 , name one player who is capable of doing power hitting job at 7 in pandya absence . We are playing jadeja who s/r at 7 is abysmal who career at 7 has been abysmal 

even if pandya comes there are 2 slots empty 5 n 6 and rahul without keeping owns it 

u said the same about rahul so wait even on pant he ll make u eat words to 

There is nothing called power hitter, stop inventing positions.He is just a bits and pieces player nothing more.Pandya is useless in long run unless he improves his batting he is never going to be a regular test player.

 

Jadeja is a gun bowler in sub- continent conditions, he will walk tinot the team as bowler alone.His batting is plus.Only in SENA  on flat pitches his bowling is not effective.

 

Rahul is in team because he is keeping wickets. No one said these players cannot improve, we all want them to improve.Rahul improved after going back to domestic cricket.Rahul if he said he would become keeper would have gotten chance first over Pant in first place.

 

Kuldeep also needs to go back to domestic cricket work on his game and come back.

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

There is nothing called power hitter, stop inventing positions.He is just a bits and pieces player nothing more.Pandya is useless in long run unless he improves his batting he is never going to be a regular test player.

Cant help u if u live in geoffery boycott era. Power hitter are the one who will make good total into match winning one

N if u dont knw dont think that far Ind-Aus Wc game last year was made into winning total due to pandya innings 

 

How is pandya useless ?? Care to explain

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Jadeja is a gun bowler in sub- continent conditions, he will walk tinot the team as bowler alone.His batting is plus.Only in SENA  on flat pitches his bowling is not effective.

So pandya alone commands place in side as power in every condition. 

Jadeja batting innings in 10 years can be counted on fingers thats how it has been . Also didnt WI just beat the crap out of jadeja in recent t20 series

 

So jadeja deserves place more on few condition then a guy who can walk in batting skill in any condition....hahaha

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Rahul is in team because he is keeping wickets. No one said these players cannot improve, we all want them to improve.Rahul improved after going back to domestic cricket.Rahul if he said he would become keeper would have gotten chance first over Pant in first place.

No rahul is in side coz he made runs. His keeping has just put pant out of side which is another foolish act by captain. 

Rahul was in great form ....team dented him and his confidence n form went away. Lets not forget who bought him to this level. 

Same happening with pant.....a guy whom they threw at no.4 position in world cup semi now cant find a place . A guy who scored in last series cant find a place for someone like jadhav who has no future. 

No end to foolishness. 

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Kuldeep also needs to go back to domestic cricket work on his game and come back

 

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On 2/6/2020 at 3:22 AM, putrevus said:

Rahul is fit in odi  now because he is keeping the wickets and playing in middle order. Rahul  stunk in tests those are facts. I don't change my opinions based on results like you.

 

I always wanted Rahul to keep wickets years back when he was with RCB before Pant even came into picture.

Guy has 4 overseas test 100s already.  He will succeed in tests too if backed well.

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