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8 hours ago, Lannister said:

haha.. I was expecting this from you. No, I am not a christian. I am a Kannadiga.

This may be the case in west bengal. But thankfully we are not like that. We care more about our linguistic identity, irrespective of one's religious beliefs.

Yeah thats why your state keeps electing BJP to power, a party that is promoting hindi as the national language. 

8 hours ago, Lannister said:

 

You are foreign to us. Not our muslim and christian brothers and sisters. They are Kannadigas. 

Not us. YOU. 

your bretheren have for the longest time voted for a pan-India party, not a local party and has voted for the party that CLEARLY favours hindi as the national language along with centering hindu rights. Actions speak louder than words.

I have a far stronger case to suggest that bengalis are more ethnocentric than Kannadigas based on comparative analysis. 

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2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

No it is levelling the playing field. Hindu shrines are under government control, muslim and christian ones are not. so either they too come under government control or the government finds other ways to interfere in their affairs to level the playing field. 

They are already under government control and people are free to choose their own faith in a democratic setup. No one can stop that. This is not North Korea or Iraq. 

 

3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Yes.

If Hindi becomes our national language, India will simply break up. 

 

3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Except that ALL philosophies and ideologies show their dogmatic tendencies and western atheists have their own set code of belief system they display, distinct from eastern atheist/agnostic schools. 

Atheism is neither a philosophy nor an ideology. It simply is a case of non-belief in god, faith and man-made religious setup. There is no such thing as eastern atheism... lmao

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13 minutes ago, Lannister said:

They are already under government control and people are free to choose their own faith in a democratic setup. No one can stop that. This is not North Korea or Iraq. 

They are not. All hindu temples are managed by a government board, no muslim or christian ones are managed by a government board.

This isnt north korea or iraq. This is the last bastion of indic religions. 

 

We as a society have every right to individually assess the merits and demerits of an organization seeking members under its articles of faith. Doesnt matter if its religion, woke stuff, etc. 

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If Hindi becomes our national language, India will simply break up. 

Nope. If india didnt break up due to foreign language being one of the official languages, it wont break up when the most popular indegenous language becomes national language.

 

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Atheism is neither a philosophy nor an ideology. It simply is a case of non-belief in god, faith and man-made religious setup. There is no such thing as eastern atheism... lmao

Which makes it a philosophy. Any idea on existence or nonexistence falls under philosophy. And there is eastern atheism - its called the carvaka school. Also Daoism. Buddhism is eastern agnosticism. 

Your western masters have brainwashed you good, gungadeen. 

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1 minute ago, Lannister said:

They are already under government control and people are free to choose their own faith in a democratic setup. No one can stop that. This is not North Korea or Iraq. 

 

If Hindi becomes our national language, India will simply break up. 

 

Atheism is neither a philosophy nor an ideology. It simply is a non-belief in the existence of god, afterlife and faith based religious dogma. There is no such thing as eastern atheism. The definition is universal. 

already addressed, repeating yourself 3 times wont change the facts. 

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4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Yeah thats why your state keeps electing BJP to power, a party that is promoting hindi as the national language. 

Not us. YOU. 

your bretheren have for the longest time voted for a pan-India party, not a local party and has voted for the party that CLEARLY favours hindi as the national language along with centering hindu rights. Actions speak louder than words.

I have a far stronger case to suggest that bengalis are more ethnocentric than Kannadigas based on comparative analysis. 

Just because they are voting for bjp or congress doesn't mean they are pro-hindi.. lol. The ground realities are no different here compared to other south Indian states. BJPs downfall is inevitable here. 

 

West Bengal is more Hindified than south Indian states put together. I wil not be surprised if they claim Bengali as a sub-dialect of Hindi and you guys agree to that. :giggle:

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It is plain foolishness to claim that an "Ideology" could be encircled into man made "Borders" of land. 

 

Ideology exists in people's "mind", and it could never be eastern or western or norther or southern or Pakistani or Indian or American. 

 

A Hindu who believes in Vedas in India is same as Hindu in US who believes in those same Vedas.  As Muslim who believes in Quran in Pakistan is same as one who believes in Quran in England. 

 

Indian Atheists are exactly the same as Western Atheists. And all of them are highly critical against the religions, either it is Hinduism or Islam or Christianity. Even ancient Charvakas openly criticized Vedas and considered to be a human fabrication. 

 

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If Hindu temples are maintained by Government, then please my gues and do protest against it, and make it free from the government control. But stop usurping "Basic Human Right" to leave one's religion, in name of this lame excuse. 

 

This is a sick mentality to make laws against abandoning the religion. It is exactly the same as Islam has made law that abandoning Islam is a crime. 

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4 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Just because they are voting for bjp or congress doesn't mean they are pro-hindi.. lol. The ground realities are no different here compared to other south Indian states. BJPs downfall is inevitable here. 

 

West Bengal is more Hindified than south Indian states put together. I wil not be surprised if they claim Bengali as a sub-dialect of Hindi and you guys agree to that. :giggle:

 

downfall of any party is envitable eventually. 

Yes we know you southies like your gora sponsored dravidian originality theory nonsense, despite proof that its dravidians who are the more recent arrivals into the indian subcontinent. But dont worry, we will fix that problem, as your ancestors had no such hangups re: sanskrit and the hindi belt.

 

 

Unlike you sheltered southies, we are not whiny about the majoritarian language. Despite that, its actually us bengalis, not you kannadigas who actually protested and got the state language act for all passed.

Thank a bong for that, ingrate.

 

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Just now, Alam_dar said:

It is plain foolishness to claim that an "Ideology" could be encircled into man made "Borders" of land. 

 

Ideology exists in people's "mind", and it could never be eastern or western or norther or southern or Pakistani or Indian or American. 

 

Eastern or western is based on where the doctrine arose, under what socio-economic norms and what its ethical axioms are. Hence the difference.

 

Just now, Alam_dar said:

A Hindu who believes in Vedas in India is same as Hindu in US who believes in those same Vedas.  As Muslim who believes in Quran in Pakistan is same as one who believes in Quran in England. 

 

Indian Atheists are exactly the same as Western Atheists. And all of them are highly critical against the religions, either it is Hinduism or Islam or Christianity. Even ancient Charvakas openly criticized Vedas and considered to be a human fabrication. 

No, Unlike western atheists, eastern atheists have DIFFERENT axiomatic assumptions - we dont do the 'every human is equal' belief system, nor do we crusade like the western atheists, to spread their ideology by sheer propaganda, akin to their western abrahamic ethical doctrine.

 

Just now, Alam_dar said:

 

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If Hindu temples are maintained by Government, then please my gues and do protest against it, and make it free from the government control. But stop usurping "Basic Human Right" to leave one's religion, in name of this lame excuse. 

 

This is a sick mentality to make laws against abandoning the religion. It is exactly the same as Islam has made law that abandoning Islam is a crime. 

there is no prohibition in leaving ones religion. There is prohibition against conversion rackets. There is a big difference.  I dont think hindu temples should be freed from the state control- the state is the higher authority than religion and thus all religions must be brought under state supervision.

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19 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

Religions conversions and attempts to change demographics have been cause many a wars and conflicts.
 

 

Only forceful conversion is a cause of conflicts. 

 

And forcefully stopping the conversion is also the cause of conflicts of same extent. 

 

Europe has been peacefully converting to atheism for decades. And if there are few conflicts, then it is due to the forceful stopping of this conversion by religious Christian fanatics (especially in US). 

 

Ancient Hinduism was much more tolerant than the present day fanatic Hinduism. India has already once peacefully converted to Buddhism in the past. Then this Buddhism moved to China, Japan, Thailand, Burma, Sri Lanka and it always changed the demographic peacefully. 

 

Thus it is a proof enough that accepting this basic human right of conversion of religion are not the cause of conflicts, but forceful conversion, or forceful prohibition of conversion is the cause of conflict. 

 

19 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

Especially when it’s asymmetric ie only proselytising Abrahamic religions converting and the other side not

 

It is more like "Grapes are Sour". 

 

Other side indeed tried it too as it is a human nature. In past it changed Buddhist to Hinduism back. There is Haray Karishna Haray Rama movement. There is "Ghar Wapsi" movement. 

 

In my view, Hinduism as a religion does not have much attraction in the modern world. It is very ancient religion, and very difficult to understand Vedas and other religious books, and it's religious practices etc. 

 

Western world finds attraction in Buddhism as it is "humanity" based religion. They also find attraction in "atheism". But they hardly show any enthusiasm for older religions like Hinduism or Judaism or Sikhism etc. 

 

There are Muslims who are leave Islam. But they hardly find any attraction towards any other religion, but only Atheism. 

 

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54 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

 

 

It is more like "Grapes are Sour". 

 

Other side indeed tried it too as it is a human nature. In past it changed Buddhist to Hinduism back. There is Haray Karishna Haray Rama movement. There is "Ghar Wapsi" movement. 

Dont make up nonsense. Show us historical evidence of the so-called mass Abrahamic style conversion rackets of the hindus or the buddhists.  Just because we FINALLY adapted to fight fire with fire doesnt imply we have always been fighting fire with fire. In fact, the lack of mass scale conversion rackets is blatantly obvious in indian history.

 

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In my view, Hinduism as a religion does not have much attraction in the modern world. It is very ancient religion, and very difficult to understand Vedas and other religious books, and it's religious practices etc. 

Have you read most of the hindu history, religious and philosophical materials in the world ??

IMO hinduism has the most to offer, because its the only heterodox religion out there - its the only religion that has atheism, agnosticism and classical theism mixed in it, catering to all. 

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Western world finds attraction in Buddhism as it is "humanity" based religion. They also find attraction in "atheism". But they hardly show any enthusiasm for older religions like Hinduism or Judaism or Sikhism etc. 

 

Buddhism isnt a religion. Its a philosophy. You need a god or gods to be a religion. calling buddhism a religion is just standard western atheist doctrine of de-legitimizing coloured people concepts that they now wanna adopt but be seen as creators of, not adopters of. 

Just like how they cut-paste vipassana technique from Buddhism+ Hinduism and call it mindfulness in their psychology manuals. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

They are not. All hindu temples are managed by a government board, no muslim or christian ones are managed by a government board.

Garbage. Everything comes under the jurisdiction of Indian government. They are already under its control. 

 

3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

 

We as a society have every right to individually assess the merits and demerits of an organization seeking members under its articles of faith. Doesnt matter if its religion, woke stuff, etc. 

Then it's not an equal interference, is it? If you are going to pick and choose one religion over the other. We are not Iraq or Syria, where one religion can have monopoly over the others. 

 

3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Nope. If india didnt break up due to foreign language being one of the official languages, it wont break up when the most popular indegenous language becomes national language.

The reason English pose no threat is because it's a foreign language. But we should minimise it's usage to only when it's absolute necessary. 

 

3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Which makes it a philosophy. Any idea on existence or nonexistence falls under philosophy. And there is eastern atheism - its called the carvaka school. Also Daoism. Buddhism is eastern agnosticism. 

Your western masters have brainwashed you good, gungadeen. 

Nonsense. Not believing in an ideology is not an ideology. It's like saying not playing badminton is a sport :giggle:

 

Atheism is just a non-belief in man-made fictional stories. The definition is universal. If you are referring to some other crap, no it's not atheism. 

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1 hour ago, Lannister said:

Garbage. Everything comes under the jurisdiction of Indian government. They are already under its control. 

So name the boards who control the roman catholic churches in india or the mosques. 

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Then it's not an equal interference, is it? If you are going to pick and choose one religion over the other. We are not Iraq or Syria, where one religion can have monopoly over the others. 

Who said it has to be equal interference ? The job of the governemtn according to our secular constitution is to maintain equality of religion - if some religions act too conversion happy, they will face more attention. 

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The reason English pose no threat is because it's a foreign language. But we should minimise it's usage to only when it's absolute necessary. 

So a foreign language doesnt pose a threat to India but a local indian language does. Brilliant logic, gungadeen of the westerners.

 

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Nonsense. Not believing in an ideology is not an ideology. It's like saying not playing badminton is a sport :giggle:

False analogy. Having a viewpoint X is an ideology. Atheism falls under an ideology because it is based on a common creed of an IDEA - that supernatural doesnt exist.

This is easy to demonstrate mathematically. Atheists dont believe in a higher power. This is akin to a null set - a set with nothing in it, but it is still a set. Same logic applies to atheism == ideology. Its an ideology that believes there are no higher powers. 

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Atheism is just a non-belief in man-made fictional stories. The definition is universal. If you are referring to some other crap, no it's not atheism. 

 

False. Atheism means rejection of a god or gods. Atheists have unsubstantiated beleifs too - everyone does. Most western atheists believe in intelligent alien life form and equality of all humanity - these are beliefs since no evidence has been presented to make it a fact.

 

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6 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

 

Eastern or western is based on where the doctrine arose, under what socio-economic norms and what its ethical axioms are. Hence the difference.

 

It is a nonsensical claim. 

Religion or Ideology has nothing to do with socia-economic norm or ethical axioms. 
If one atheist does not believe in any gods and Vedas in India in his mind, then he is same like an atheist in US who also does not believe in any gods or Vedas in US, and no socio-economic norm or ethical axioms is going to make any difference in this basic belief. 

 

6 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

No, Unlike western atheists, eastern atheists have DIFFERENT axiomatic assumptions - we dont do the 'every human is equal' belief system, nor do we crusade like the western atheists, to spread their ideology by sheer propaganda, akin to their western abrahamic ethical doctrine.

 

Again it is making no sense. 

Where is the proof that Indian Atheists don't believe in "every human being equal"? 

Where is the proof that even Charvakas claimed that Brahmins were higher in status? 

It is only "religious brainwashing" that human are not equal, but gods gave some human higher status by birth. This ideology of by birth higher status of some humans has nothing to do with atheism. 

 

6 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

 

there is no prohibition in leaving ones religion. There is prohibition against conversion rackets. There is a big difference.

 

No rackets are "forcing" their religion upon others, but all are free to do it according to their own free will. 

Therefore, even if there are rackets, then they are only preaching, and it is not a crime. 

According to law, you are also allowed to make such rackets (and there are already Hindu rackets in form of Ghar Wapsi and Haray Rama Haray Karishna movements, but again problem is this that Hinduism is very outdated and not attractive to the people of other religion and ideologies). 

Thus grapes are still sour. 

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25 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

It is a nonsensical claim. 

Religion or Ideology has nothing to do with socia-economic norm or ethical axioms. 
If one atheist does not believe in any gods and Vedas in India in his mind, then he is same like an atheist in US who also does not believe in any gods or Vedas in US, and no socio-economic norm or ethical axioms is going to make any difference in this basic belief. 

 

ofcourse it does. This is why abrahamic religions have its own dualistic dichotomy of absolute evil vs absolute good while all other religions have a relativistic scale. This is the same reason why eastern religions don’t have prophets and none of them claim to have gotten the words directly from gods or angels while this is the fundamental axiom of abrahamic religions.

 

 

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Again it is making no sense. 

Where is the proof that Indian Atheists don't believe in "every human being equal"? 

Where is the proof that even Charvakas claimed that Brahmins were higher in status? 

It is only "religious brainwashing" that human are not equal, but gods gave some human higher status by birth. This ideology of by birth higher status of some humans has nothing to do with atheism. 

 

where is the proof that carvaka school believed in the western doctrine of all humans are equal ? Where is the proof that Buddhists or daoists beleive such ?? 
Not one ideology speaks as such from the east. 
 

prove to us that all human are equal. If you cannot, then it becomes an article of faith. Prove to me that me and my brother are born equal, that the sum total of our born skills and cognitive abilities are equal. I contend that based on our identical upbringing and life trajectory, he is a far superior human being thsn me- intellectually as well as physically ( I am built like Mithun  chakraborty, my brother is built like Dara Singh and he has far less health issues than me).

as far as I can see, objectively no two creatures are born equal. True for humans, cats dogs, etc. Some are smarter than the norm, some are dumber and some are far too inferior to survive, while some are so superior to their kind that they go right to the top 1%. If this is evidentially true for all animals, the onus is on YOU to decisively prove that all humans are born equal. 
how am I equal to Einstein by birth ? 

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No rackets are "forcing" their religion upon others, but all are free to do it according to their own free will. 

Therefore, even if there are rackets, then they are only preaching, and it is not a crime. 
 

we consider organized preaching and funding it as a crime against humanity and severe violation of poor people to choose their religion without the bribery of christians or Muslims. 

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According to law, you are also allowed to make such rackets (and there are already Hindu rackets in form of Ghar Wapsi and Haray Rama Haray Karishna movements, but again problem is this that Hinduism is very outdated and not attractive to the people of other religion and ideologies). 

Thus grapes are still sour. 

Seems like you know very little of Hinduism. As I said, it’s the only religion that doesn’t make definitive claims in its texts as absolute, it caters to theists atheists and agnostics alike. What you call outdated, we call tried, tested and proven as the longest lasting brand, unlike your newbie here today, dead tomorrow western dime a dozen ideologies. 
 

you are yet to show us any evidence of conversion rackets by hindus Buddhists Jains etc through history. Yes, we have adapted in modern times against the far more barbaric and bloody abrahamic religions’ onslaught against us. That doesn’t change the history that no eastern religion did conversion rackets and there is no implicit reward for it theologically like there is in the two heinous abrahamic religions.

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15 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Another example of western atheists and their article of faith: changing definition of theism from belief in a supernatural deity( or deities) to ‘ ritualism’, to disenfranchise the older and far more historically established eastern atheists, such as Buddhists, Jains and daoists. The article of faith of western atheism - calling Buddhism a religion, is unique to western ideologies and created by them, while ALL eastern ideologies - religions such as Hinduism, Bon, Shintoism and philosophies like Confucianism have explicitly referred to them as atheist/agnostic ideologies. 
 

even to this day, most non westernized Asians from the east do not consider these as religions. 
 

your western appropriation business is coming to an end, chap. 

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Where is my other post? Sanghi mods being intolerant and unsecular again. Atleast if you are going to delete posts, delete on the other side as well. Completely disrupted the flow. 

7 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

So name the boards who control the roman catholic churches in india or the mosques.

Ping Modi. He will give you the details. 

 

7 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Who said it has to be equal interference ? The job of the governemtn according to our secular constitution is to maintain equality of religion - if some religions act too conversion happy, they will face more attention. 

Its not their fault if people are leaving Hindu religion. Respect the people's choices.

7 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

So a foreign language doesnt pose a threat to India but a local indian language does. Brilliant logic, gungadeen of the westerners.

Yeah, they don't have a vote base here to pose threat for our languages. Indian union was not formed to satisfy the whims and wishes of Hindi speakers. 

 

7 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

False analogy. Having a viewpoint X is an ideology. Atheism falls under an ideology because it is based on a common creed of an IDEA - that supernatural doesnt exist.

Here you are assuming the god being an universal truth. Rejecting the claims made by an ideology is not an ideology.

 

Atheism is just rejecting the claims made by the faiths. 

7 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Most western atheists believe in intelligent alien life form and equality of all humanity - these are beliefs since no evidence has been presented to make it a fact.

Alien life form is not the same as believing in supernatural entities. 

 

Ofcourse you filthy bong, all humans should be judged equally based on their actions. 

 

And both being nothing to do with the atheism. 

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18 minutes ago, Lannister said:

 

Ping Modi. He will give you the details. 

 

As i thought- you just made it up and you are now caught in the boldfaced lie that Indian govt manages churches and mosques through appointed committes like it does to hindu temples.

 

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Its not their fault if people are leaving Hindu religion. Respect the people's choices.

Sure. we do. the ban isnt about self conversion to any religion. The ban is from YOU converting others. You are free to make ur choice to leave ur religion.  If one religion tries to get more invested in converting people, the government is justified in focusing on them more to curtail their actions to preserve equal access for all. 

 

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Yeah, they don't have a vote base here to pose threat for our languages. Indian union was not formed to satisfy the whims and wishes of Hindi speakers. 

So India should use a foreign language as its national language and not the native majority language because of anti-national minority butthurt ones. Thats called being anti-national to the bone, just like most dravidian ideology followers are.

 

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Here you are assuming the god being an universal truth. Rejecting the claims made by an ideology is not an ideology.

False. An ideology is any set of professed ideals or beleif system. You believe there is no god. that is an ideology too. Again, in simple math terms, a null set is still a set. Atheism is still an ideology.I am not assuming God is an universal truth because i am an agnost, not a theist. To me God is an unproven case but also a possible case, as any existential question technically is possible till you exhaust the domain of search. This is mathematically provable, which is why MOST non theistic Indian philosophies and sages were agnostic, not atheist. 

 

This is why when even Richard Dawkins and such other western morons get cornered they go 'well technically we are agnosts BUT.....'type of CMA statements coz they know atheism in itself - by definition- aka rejection of the eixstence of God- is a belief system and only mathematically valid answer is agnosticism (ie, the indeterminate answer). Maybe this is why Jinsen was an agnost, not an atheist.

 

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Atheism is just rejecting the claims made by the faiths. 

Alien life form is not the same as believing in supernatural entities. 

Beleiving in anything without evidence is the same class of thing - belief. 

 

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Ofcourse you filthy bong, all humans should be judged equally based on their actions. 

 

Judged fairly for their actions doesnt make all humans equal, you anti-national cretin. 

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4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

 

ofcourse it does. This is why abrahamic religions have its own dualistic dichotomy of absolute evil vs absolute good while all other religions have a relativistic scale. This is the same reason why eastern religions don’t have prophets and none of them claim to have gotten the words directly from gods or angels while this is the fundamental axiom of abrahamic religions.

 

Again what you are writing is totally not related to your earlier claims of atheism being different in west and east due to the socia-economic norm or ethical axioms

I wonder if you could ever give the related answers instead of always coming up with new stuff which makes no sense in answering the topic of discussion. 
Our topic was If one atheist does not believe in any gods and Vedas in India in his mind, then he is same like an atheist in US who also does not believe in any gods or Vedas in US, and no socio-economic norm or ethical axioms is going to make any difference in this basic belief .............. but you came up with Abrahamic religions, and absolute evil vs absolute good blah blah blah

 

 

4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

 

where is the proof that carvaka school believed in the western doctrine of all humans are equal ? Where is the proof that Buddhists or daoists beleive such ?? 
Not one ideology speaks as such from the east. 
 


Now you are trying to confuse the issue. 

It is about "Human Rights". 
Buddhists and Western Secularism all believe that all humans are equal in having "same Human Rights by birth", while it is only Hinduism which denies it and give some people preference in having human rights above others in name of Brahmin and Untouchables. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

prove to us that all human are equal. If you cannot, then it becomes an article of faith. Prove to me that me and my brother are born equal, that the sum total of our born skills and cognitive abilities are equal. I contend that based on our identical upbringing and life trajectory, he is a far superior human being thsn me- intellectually as well as physically ( I am built like Mithun  chakraborty, my brother is built like Dara Singh and he has far less health issues than me).

 

You are intentionally trying to confuse the things. 
Never ever Buddhism or Western Secularism denied the "abilities" of an individual person and his excellence due to his abilities. But this has nothing to do with Hindu System, where despite having low abilities, still one gets higher status if he is  born in a Brahmin family. 

I wonder why you always have to use such low tactics in order to defend your Hinduism and it's evils? 

 

4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

we consider organized preaching and funding it as a crime against humanity and severe violation of poor people to choose their religion without the bribery of christians or Muslims. 

 

It is not about what you think, it is about what is right and correct. 

Great Buddha and his monks preached the Buddhist teachings in organised way to the people and there was nothing wrong in it.

Even if Hindu Temples offer "Parsaad" as bribe for poor people to join temple prayers, still it is not a crime. 

Even if Christians are opening their missionary schools and offering good education, and offering social services (like Mother Teressa did), still it is not a crime. Even if they are helping the poor people with money, still it is not a crime. It becomes a crime only if they "compel" the poor people to forcefully accept their religion. 

 

And as far as Atheists are concerned, then they are totally decentralized, and they have no religious centres, and they don't offer any money. Europe is turning towards Atheism automatically only due to the ATTRACTION of it's simplicity, and even the Rich European Church, it's money, it's bribe, it's social services are unable to stop this conversion. Therefore, if in India poor people leave Hinduism for Christianity, then it is due to the reason that Hinduism does not have any attraction and it's teaching are totally outdated for the present era. 

 

So, Christians are defeating Hinduism in India, while Atheism is defeating Christianity in it's centre i.e. Europe. All this is happening mainly while Hinduism has the least attraction, while Atheism has the maximum attraction and it is making all others factors of bribe through social services irrelevant, while religious Hindus are trying to hide the deficiency of attraction in Hinduism in name of bribe through social services. 

 

Actually Hindus also have an organised system of their religious Temples, and religious schools, and social services, but still they fail in attracting others towards Hinduism in this modern era. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Seems like you know very little of Hinduism. As I said, it’s the only religion that doesn’t make definitive claims in its texts as absolute, it caters to theists atheists and agnostics alike. What you call outdated, we call tried, tested and proven as the longest lasting brand, unlike your newbie here today, dead tomorrow western dime a dozen ideologies. 
 

 

Atheism is as old as Hinduism, or perhaps much older than Hinduism. I don't think Atheism is going to be dead tomorrow, but I only see big numbers of Hindus turning towards Atheism in India, while inverse is not true and I hardly see Atheists becoming Hindus. 

 

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