Kids to lead Pakistan fast bowling in tests in Australia

[putrevus]

There was another short skiddy guy Bilwal Bhatti, what happened to that guy.I thought he was very decent bowler.These bowlers who have been selected are better than him?

[First class]

37 minutes ago, putrevus said:

There was another short skiddy guy Bilwal Bhatti, what happened to that guy.I thought he was very decent bowler.These bowlers who have been selected are better than him?

Bhatti got his chances, won one match in South Africa but did not have much success after that. Similarly Musa being a shortie,  even pacier might not be successful due to his lack of a height. Naseem Shah is OK, not tall but not a shortie either. 

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, First class said:

Bhatti got his chances, won one match in South Africa but did not have much success after that. Similarly Musa being a shortie,  even pacier might not be successful due to his lack of a height. Naseem Shah is OK, not tall but not a shortie either. 

Marshall was not tall, but he had everything else. Being short is not a handicap as long as you have everything else of which Pace is a must.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, First class said:

Bhatti got his chances, won one match in South Africa but did not have much success after that. Similarly Musa being a shortie,  even pacier might not be successful due to his lack of a height. Naseem Shah is OK, not tall but not a shortie either. 

 

The pertinent question is ... does Musa have the extra pace needed for his short height ?  ( Along with accuracy and other skills of course. )

 

If he can bowl 137 k to 147 k or higher consistently along with zip off the deck ... he will do ok provided he has the other skills.  His short height won't be a problem then.

 

 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, First class said:

Bhatti got his chances, won one match in South Africa but did not have much success after that. Similarly Musa being a shortie,  even pacier might not be successful due to his lack of a height. Naseem Shah is OK, not tall but not a shortie either. 

Musa is same pace to Bhatti

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Marshall was not tall, but he had everything else. Being short is not a handicap as long as you have everything else of which Pace is a must.

Marshal was not short.

[Rightarmfast]

51 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Marshal was not short.

5'11' is not considered tall for a fast bowler. It is considered short. 

[First class]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

Marshall was not tall, but he had everything else. Being short is not a handicap as long as you have everything else of which Pace is a must.

Marshall was short compared to other Giants WI had those days otherwise he was of similar height as many others including Waqar and Akhtar. Waqar probably an inch taller. 

[First class]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

The pertinent question is ... does Musa have the extra pace needed for his short height ?  ( Along with accuracy and other skills of course. )

 

If he can bowl 137 k to 147 k or higher consistently along with zip off the deck ... he will do ok provided he has the other skills.  His short height won't be a problem then.

 

 

Musa bowls 140-145 , will find out in Australia if he possess anything special to be successful .

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Marshal was not short.

Who said Marshall was not short?

[putrevus]

5 minutes ago, First class said:

Marshall was short compared to other Giants WI had those days otherwise he was of similar height as many others including Waqar and Akhtar. Waqar probably an inch taller. 

Marshall or Steyn are not tall for your prototypical great fast bowlers.But they are exceptions.

[Pandya_Power]

15 hours ago, adi B said:

IA,poyzz will play with jazbaa and junoon with a young team this time and nick a test win 

Word. Misbah in his press conference echoed similar sentiments. The thing that these morons don't realize is that you have to out bat the Aussies to ahve a chance at drawing the matches on those roads they call pitches down under. Having a good attack boosts your chances of winning as opposed to drawing. 

 

Without folks who can make daddy hundreds, there is only one result that awaits teams touring Australia. Pakistan at the moment does not have batsmen with the temperament to play long innings. Maybe Azhar Ali (who has done it in Aus previously, but he seems to have lost it these days).

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

5'11' is not considered tall for a fast bowler. It is considered short. 

It isn't tall neither short. Short are likes of malinga, Shami, agarkar at 5'8 height. Bumrah is 5'11 as well.

[Rightarmfast]

15 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

It isn't tall neither short. Short are likes of malinga, Shami, agarkar at 5'8 height. Bumrah is 5'11 as well.

You are talking in Asian context. In world cricket, and for athletes globally, 5'11' is short.

[sandeep]

On 10/22/2019 at 1:53 PM, First class said:

Marshall was short compared to other Giants WI had those days otherwise he was of similar height as many others including Waqar and Akhtar. Waqar probably an inch taller. 

I think you need to google Macco's actual height...He was short for a fast bowler, regardless of era.

[express bowling]

On 10/22/2019 at 11:31 PM, putrevus said:

Marshall or Steyn are not tall for your prototypical great fast bowlers.But they are exceptions.

 

Harold Larwood

Frank Tyson

Fred Truman

Roy Gilchrist

Jeff Thomson

Malcolm Marshall

Dale Steyn

Mohd. Shami

 

All 5'7" to 5''11".

 

But all of them average 28 or less in test cricket.

 

[express bowling]

Height is over-rated for a fast bowler if he has both pace and bounce.

 

The 5'8" or 5'9" Md. Shami generated more bounce and much more pace than the 6'5" Ngidi in the just concluded test series... that too on Asian pitches.

 

Even the tall express pacer Nortje extracted less life out of the Indian.pitches than the short fast bowler Shami.

 

In fact, shorter height and skiddiness can be a big plus on slow Indian pitches provided the pacer is 140+.

Edited October 24, 2019 by express bowling

[Straight Drive]

Inexperience could lead to a disaster tour for Pakistan.

[sandeep]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

provided the pacer is 140+

That's the big caveat.   Taller pacers can be effective in the mid-130s, due to trajectory and bounce.  And sheer physics dictates it will be harder for shorter pacers to keep bowling in 140s as opposed to their longer limbed counterparts...

[express bowling]

12 minutes ago, sandeep said:

And sheer physics dictates it will be harder for shorter pacers to keep bowling in 140s as opposed to their longer limbed counterparts...

 

This part is true ... but is offset by the fact that shorter pacers are lighter on an average and this puts less stress on their knees and feet.