India cap is not cheap- players like Dube devalue it

[Ultimate_Game]

2 hours ago, bowl_out said:

After 35 T20Is, he averages 31 striking at 140, with some clutch knocks, the most recent being the WT20 Final and the 4th T20 vs England.

Impressive stats despite all his technical flaws and lack of feet movement.

 

He is a middle order hitter, particularly off spinners, and he has played that role really well

 

I must say he has achieved more than I thought he would. His WT20 knock was clutch. Very happy to be proven wrong about him.

[tapandrun]

Still do not think he is intnl quality, slow mover in the field, not sure where his bowling would come into play.

But he has done good for himself and the team 4 fifties and a v.good T20 wc knock. 

 

but good that tm and selectors are investing in these kind of prototype players -power hitter has some kind of bowling ability ..  may be other can also develop looking into this.

Think Ind tm/selectors messed-up with yousuf pathan was a prototype t20 batter only power hitter in Ind back then, had issues with short-ball but who were good against short stuff .....

If hey would have invested in him back then Ind would have found few more player like him with proper hitting capability and some bowling. 

but they hyped how taking single and double can win 1/2 matches in t20s, now they are hyping quick 20-30 runs in tests .... where is the basic logic ??  

[Vk1]

We don't have plenty of options for that role.. Dubeji should continue to get more chances.

[cowboysfan]

NKR is way better than Dube,shame he too can't stay healthy. 

[New guy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/1igttp8/shivam_dube_hasnt_lost_a_t20i_match_since_2019/#lightbox

 

 

 

 

Edited February 4, 2025 by New guy

[Lord]

5 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

NKR is way better than Dube,shame he too can't stay healthy. 

 

even Venky Iyer is better

[Lord]

10 hours ago, tapandrun said:

Still do not think he is intnl quality, slow mover in the field, not sure where his bowling would come into play.

But he has done good for himself and the team 4 fifties and a v.good T20 wc knock. 

 

but good that tm and selectors are investing in these kind of prototype players -power hitter has some kind of bowling ability ..  may be other can also develop looking into this.

Think Ind tm/selectors messed-up with yousuf pathan was a prototype t20 batter only power hitter in Ind back then, had issues with short-ball but who were good against short stuff .....

If hey would have invested in him back then Ind would have found few more player like him with proper hitting capability and some bowling. 

but they hyped how taking single and double can win 1/2 matches in t20s, now they are hyping quick 20-30 runs in tests .... where is the basic logic ??  

 

guy scored a brilliant ton in SA, Iyer saab can't relate

[StraightDrive26]

10 hours ago, Lord said:

 

even Venky Iyer is better

Maybe but both aren't international standard bowlers. They neither have skills nor do they have pace. They probably can play as batters and bowl couple of overs if the opposition has no chance of winning but thats about it. India only has one genuine pace bowling all-rounder in shorter formats, Hardik Pandya. No matter how much hate comes his way, he is the only one who can actually contribute with both bat and ball. Both Dube and NKR are the same in terms of bowling but again the former actually has more bowling pedigree in domestic cricket. For all the the criticism he gets Dube hasn't done half as bad in the opportunities he has received. 

[vvvslaxman]

HIs bigest strength he is making sure opposition doesn't use spinners in the middle overs. He has developed that Aura. Imagine Kohli in the middle. Livingstone will bowl 3 over sconcede 19 runs.

[tapandrun]

57 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

HIs bigest strength he is making sure opposition doesn't use spinners in the middle overs. He has developed that Aura. Imagine Kohli in the middle. Livingstone will bowl 3 over sconcede 19 runs.

yes, and now he is able to manage pace and bounce unless some really quick  pitch. 

NCA should work on his footwork so that he can access the offside as well, else fast bowlers will figure out and not target him at his body all the time but bowl away from his hitting arc which take take the sr down and he or the other batter would have to play high risk shots.

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

yes, and now he is able to manage pace and bounce unless some really quick  pitch. 

NCA should work on his footwork so that he can access the offside as well, else fast bowlers will figure out and not target him at his body all the time but bowl away from his hitting arc which take take the sr down and he or the other batter would have to play high risk shots.

If you pair him with a fast bowling bully it will really mess up the plans of opposition.  OTher day they were keeping Rashid away from Dube. Because of that Abhishek got to face him in the death. 

Edited February 4, 2025 by vvvslaxman

[tapandrun]

9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

If you pair him with a fast bowling bully it will really mess up the plans of opposition.  OTher day they were keeping Rashid away from Dube. Because of that Abhishek got to face him in the death. 

Yes csk maximized rahane and him in pair, rahane will try and hit pacer he was targeting 20-24 ball 40+ and that's it he has done his job he can return back to dugout with that and then dube would take down spin and then keep thorwing kitchen-sink at fast bowlers.

 

how ironic once considered as the pinnacle of ind batting against high quality pace mubi batters are now some of the worse batter of pace -- S.iyer, Sarfarz, dube. What changed ....??

 

[Rasgulla]

Thala can turn coal into gold 

[Ultimate_Game]

On 2/4/2025 at 5:29 PM, tapandrun said:

Yes csk maximized rahane and him in pair, rahane will try and hit pacer he was targeting 20-24 ball 40+ and that's it he has done his job he can return back to dugout with that and then dube would take down spin and then keep thorwing kitchen-sink at fast bowlers.

 

how ironic once considered as the pinnacle of ind batting against high quality pace mubi batters are now some of the worse batter of pace -- S.iyer, Sarfarz, dube. What changed ....??

 

 

7 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Thala can turn coal into gold 

 

There's a reason Dhoni won 3 ICC tourneys. He knows how to win tourneys and get the best out of players.

[vvvslaxman]

Some 6 years back  Axar and Dube added 120 runs in 14 or 15 overs against South Africa in a A tour one dayer. Decent bowling attack.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/sa-a-tour-of-india-2019-1197416/india-a-vs-south-africa-a-1st-unofficial-odi-1197420/full-scorecard

Edited February 6, 2025 by vvvslaxman

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

 

There's a reason Dhoni won 3 ICC tourneys. He knows how to win tourneys and get the best out of players.

https://sports.ndtv.com/ipl-2024/he-never-really-broke-free-in-rcb-former-south-africa-stars-shocking-revelation-about-shivam-dube-5321457

 

"It's fantastic to see Shivam like this. He never really broke free in the RCB changing room. He was quite a shy guy, worked really hard, and asked a lot of questions back in the day. I think he did a bit of learning there but never felt comfortable," said De Villiers on Jio Cinema.

 

"He talks about being free in CSK, and that is the magic recipe that MSD, Gaikwad, Stephen Fleming, and all the guys from the past have set up over there. It's a workhorse of a franchise that just makes it work every time, every single season, with new players who feel free to express themselves," he added.

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

Some 6 years back  Axar and Dube added 120 runs in 14 or 15 overs against South Africa in a A tour one dayer. Decent bowling attack.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/sa-a-tour-of-india-2019-1197416/india-a-vs-south-africa-a-1st-unofficial-odi-1197420/full-scorecard

dube has scored couple of 50s on A tours the issue will aways be high quality pace bowling 

[Ultimate_Game]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

https://sports.ndtv.com/ipl-2024/he-never-really-broke-free-in-rcb-former-south-africa-stars-shocking-revelation-about-shivam-dube-5321457

 

"It's fantastic to see Shivam like this. He never really broke free in the RCB changing room. He was quite a shy guy, worked really hard, and asked a lot of questions back in the day. I think he did a bit of learning there but never felt comfortable," said De Villiers on Jio Cinema.

 

"He talks about being free in CSK, and that is the magic recipe that MSD, Gaikwad, Stephen Fleming, and all the guys from the past have set up over there. It's a workhorse of a franchise that just makes it work every time, every single season, with new players who feel free to express themselves," he added.

 

Dube's not the first one who has succeeded at CSK under Dhoni. We saw Shane Watson, Rayudu, Uthappa, and even someone like Rahane perform well under Dhoni.

 

Literally every RCB failure under Kohli managed to find success at CSK playing under Dhoni.

[Frustrated]

If we prepare a list of 10 worst cricketers (across all 3 formats) to hv played for Ind team, S Dube won't be anywhere in that list.    Kela and R Patidar would easily be in that list, on top.  

[Ultimate_Game]

2 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

If we prepare a list of 10 worst cricketers (across all 3 formats) to hv played for Ind team, S Dube won't be anywhere in that list.    Kela and R Patidar would easily be in that list, on top.  

 

Not even them. The absolute useless players who played for India in 90s would fill up multiple lists.