Young upcoming fast bowlers thread.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

He was RCB net bowler, might get picked.

 

Sushant is not in his VHT state squad even.

[express bowling]

11 hours ago, rkt.india said:

 

 

Sushant Mishra is bowling really fast

 

 

 

Is the video quickened up a bit  ?

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Sushant is not in his VHT state squad even.

He played u25 recently.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Is the video quickened up a bit  ?

Doesn't seem like that.

[express bowling]

7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

He played u25 recently.

 

Needs to play for the Senior team.

[rkt.india]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Needs to play for the Senior team.

Needs to play IPL.

[nsareen]

sushant mishra has been going for quite a bit of runs.. The video looks like it's been quickened up, however he has not been amongst wickets, neither economical, hopefully he takes more wickets, because he has some good skills.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, nsareen said:

sushant mishra has been going for quite a bit of runs.. The video looks like it's been quickened up, however he has not been amongst wickets, neither economical, hopefully he takes more wickets, because he has some good skills.

Doesn't matter if he is going for runs. This is our problem. That's why we get trundlers. We want 20 year olds to be quick and also economical and accuracy. Pace and accuracy is an oxymoron. It takes years of bowling to become accurate at pace.

 

He has 7 wickets in 4 games, wicketless only in one game. Not bad by any means.

Edited November 29, 2021 by rkt.india

[nsareen]

Doesn't matter if he is going for runs. This is our problem. That's why we get trundlers. We want 20 year olds to be quick and also economical and accuracy. Pace and accuracy is an oxymoron. It takes years of bowling to become accurate at pace.   He has 7 wickets in 4 games, wicketless only in one game. Not bad by any means. 

 

 

easy for you to say, but the administrators & selectors don’t think that way, specially of the lesser teams like Jharkhand, they want results, if a 120k guy gets results, he will come first.. i would also put it to the bowling sense in India’s youngsters vs our neighbors, their youngsters mature very early compared to ours & can control pace with skills to get the batsmen out… look at Shaheen Afridi & look at Nagarkoti/ Mavi / Porel.. Pace matters but it has to be directed at the batsmen’s weakness, which our bowlers pick up quite quite late( 28-29 ) years is what ive noticed.. even in the past, zaheer, agarkar, sreesanth & others had things going for them quite late, where as bowlers like Rabada, Hazlewood, Starc, Afridi, Archer attain this at least 4-5 years earlier than the indian counterparts.. These days classical example is Saini, with all the pace he has, he could have posed a threat, but it seems he doesn’t know how t bowl to batsmen, just know to put it out there on the pitch & hope for the best.. Even other neighbours know how to setup a batsmen better than our bowlers( Kumara , Chameera, Taskin ) are much better fast bowlers than saini , khaleel, Mavi etc. It’s disappointing but the real fact which is evidently available..

 

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[rkt.india]

Found one more genuine quick. He is from Jharkhand, playing u19 Cooch Behar trophy. Will post his video soon.

[express bowling]

15 hours ago, nsareen said:

easy for you to say, but the administrators & selectors don’t think that way, specially of the lesser teams like Jharkhand, they want results, if a 120k guy gets results, he will come first.. i would also put it to the bowling sense in India’s youngsters vs our neighbors, their youngsters mature very early compared to ours & can control pace with skills to get the batsmen out… look at Shaheen Afridi & look at Nagarkoti/ Mavi / Porel.. Pace matters but it has to be directed at the batsmen’s weakness, which our bowlers pick up quite quite late( 28-29 ) years is what ive noticed.. even in the past, zaheer, agarkar, sreesanth & others had things going for them quite late, where as bowlers like Rabada, Hazlewood, Starc, Afridi, Archer attain this at least 4-5 years earlier than the indian counterparts.. These days classical example is Saini, with all the pace he has, he could have posed a threat, but it seems he doesn’t know how t bowl to batsmen, just know to put it out there on the pitch & hope for the best.. Even other neighbours know how to setup a batsmen better than our bowlers( Kumara , Chameera, Taskin ) are much better fast bowlers than saini , khaleel, Mavi etc. It’s disappointing but the real fact which is evidently available..

 

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I think we try to teach our young fast bowlers too many things at an early age and they get confused.

 

Just tell a U19 pacer to target the top of off stump ball after ball at full pace. Do it for months before he tries the next thing.

 

Then learn 1 primary movement at full pace and mix it with the straigter ball. Don't try to move the ball both ways before you mature as a bowler. 

 

Then practice the quick yorker and bring it in your repertoire. Practice perfecting it for months.

 

Then the bouncer.

 

So on and so forth.

 

Pacers like Cummins and Hazlewood, even now, just try the top of off stump ball most of the time and punctuate it with bouncers.

 

There is no point in trying lots of things when you cannot execute even one kind of delivery with expertise.

 

 

Edited November 30, 2021 by express bowling

[nsareen]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I think we try to teach our young fast bowlers too many things at an early age and they get confused.

 

Just tell a U19 pacer to target the top of off stump ball after ball at full pace. Do it for months before he tries the next thing.

 

Then learn 1 primary movement at full pace and mix it with a bright ball. Don't try to move the ball both ways before you mature as a bowler. 

 

Then practice the quick yorker and bring it in your repertoire. Practice perfecting it for months.

 

Then the bouncer.

 

So on and so forth.

 

Pacers like Cummins and Hazlewood, even now, just try the top of off stump ball most of the time and punctuate it with bouncers.

 

There is no point in trying lots of things when you cannot execute even one kind of delivery with expertise.

 

 

 

 

Yes the probem lies in the coaching for sure, I personally felt, in all the coaching centers I've been too, fast bowlers do not get the attention they need. Fast bowlers are used just as fodders for batsmen & hence their grooming is minimal & struggle against top teams.. 

[nsareen]

I'm amazed at how bowlers like haris Rauf & numerous before him were just tape ball bowlers who only knew to bowl fast, but when they transition over to Leather balls & people like Aaqib javed & others give them the understanding of bowling to international batsment, you see how well they adapt & even perform.. Our coaches & trainers do not have credentials of their own, nothing against them, but they just dont have the experience to share with the upcoming bowlers to truly train a fast bowler & make a world class bowler out of him...  e.g. Mahambrey, Bharat Arun, they have done nothing on the international stage & yes they have done decently well with our bowlers but failure to convert bowlers like Khaleel , Nagarkoti, Mavi, Saini shows poorly on them & how they groom upcoming bowlers..  

[nsareen]

I've not seen Zaheer Khan, Srinath helping the Younger lot & personally taking it upon themselves to bring one up.. I know Irfan Pathan has been vocal about J&K bowlers & they have started showing presence in the National stage, but more has to be done for such as vast country, we dont need 1-2 such Idols rather 15-20 such Idols taking personal attention in the growth of the upcoming lot.. I feel the dont get incentivized enough by BCCI to take much interest, hence they only show up for IPL teams & dont contribute much at the National Setup..

[Mesky99]

16 hours ago, nsareen said:

easy for you to say, but the administrators & selectors don’t think that way, specially of the lesser teams like Jharkhand, they want results, if a 120k guy gets results, he will come first.. i would also put it to the bowling sense in India’s youngsters vs our neighbors, their youngsters mature very early compared to ours & can control pace with skills to get the batsmen out… look at Shaheen Afridi & look at Nagarkoti/ Mavi / Porel.. Pace matters but it has to be directed at the batsmen’s weakness, which our bowlers pick up quite quite late( 28-29 ) years is what ive noticed.. even in the past, zaheer, agarkar, sreesanth & others had things going for them quite late, where as bowlers like Rabada, Hazlewood, Starc, Afridi, Archer attain this at least 4-5 years earlier than the indian counterparts.. These days classical example is Saini, with all the pace he has, he could have posed a threat, but it seems he doesn’t know how t bowl to batsmen, just know to put it out there on the pitch & hope for the best.. Even other neighbours know how to setup a batsmen better than our bowlers( Kumara , Chameera, Taskin ) are much better fast bowlers than saini , khaleel, Mavi etc. It’s disappointing but the real fact which is evidently available..

 

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Agree with your point regarding 125kph pacers getting picked ahead of young pacers with fast bowling credentials, a lot of this is down to the pitches and fear of loosing out right, trundlers will not set the bar high but give them a track with some grass, they will find a way to succeed, whereas a young Sushant trying to bowl may go for runs, young pacers simply don't get the same backing or go thru a fluent transition like younger batsmen do in domestic, this is where scooting comes in and faster bowlers should straight away be part of the setup at NCA and India A. 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, nsareen said:

 

 

Yes the probem lies in the coaching for sure, I personally felt, in all the coaching centers I've been too, fast bowlers do not get the attention they need. Fast bowlers are used just as fodders for batsmen & hence their grooming is minimal & struggle against top teams.. 

 

 

But I would question what is happening at The MRF Pace foundation. Top international quicks have been appointed as heads there for the last 30 odd years.

 

First Lillee and now McGrath have been appointed there with astronomical fees ... but what have they done !

 

None of the recent quick bowling successes are from there.

 

Prasidh is from.MRF but he looks the most amateurish of the lot. Srinath was from there and took a lot of time to be a complete bowler.

[rkt.india]

 

 

 

Umar Malik, u19 fast bowler from Jharkhand.

 

 

 

[express bowling]

Umran Malik has been dropped from.thd 2nd Unofficial Test match for trundler Porel.

 

I think we should close all these Speed threads and Fast bowling threads and start selling bananas to the monkeys who are taking these decisions. There are so many such monkeys that we will be rich in no time.

[nsareen]

6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

But I would question what is happening at The MRF Pace foundation. Top international quicks have been appointed as heads there for the last 30 odd years.

 

First Lillee and now McGrath have been appointed there with astronomical fees ... but what have they done !

 

None of the recent quick bowling successes are from there.

 

Prasidh is from.MRF but he looks the most amateurish of the lot. Srinath was from there and took a lot of time to be a complete bowler.

 

 

I have only seen few clips from their training, even during IPL training matches, the objectives are varied ( more focus on fitness, endurance & fine tuning some technical aspects to avoid lets say injuries ).Don't think so they add to skills such as bowling in powerplay or death over specialist training against a variety of batsmenship. Also i'm not sure what is their criteria on acquiring bowling talent for training, they must be taking in bowlers who already have represented state & hence difficult to do much apart from improving the fine tuning... Saw an article from England bowling coach & he reflects the same, changes can only be done at an early stage, later it's about fine tuning & mental aspects...

"With the U19s you work on having great basics, you're trying to ignite their thinking, inspire them and connect with them."

"When you're with the England team all those fundamentals are in place already, you're just trying to bolt things on. The conversations are around the tiniest margins of their game - can you make them just a little bit better? - but the most important part is making sure they walk out on the field relaxed and confident.

 

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/12170348/jofra-archer-jon-lewis-keen-on-england-bowling-coach-role-to-take-fast-bowler-to-the-top

[Jay]

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Umran Malik has been dropped from.thd 2nd Unofficial Test match for trundler Porel.

 

I think we should close all these Speed threads and Fast bowling threads and start selling bananas to the monkeys who are taking these decisions. There are so many such monkeys that we will be rich in no time.

Just don't take it to heart bro. Don't waste your time.