Young upcoming fast bowlers thread.

[Nikhil_cric]

The sad thing is even with the lack of height and speed, none of these guys are anywhere near accurate enough either. That's the thing with a country like Australia. No matter what else their bowlers lack, they produce so many bowlers who can hit the seam on the right line and length. From those who played int'l cricket after McGrath

 

1. Stuart Clark

2. Ryan Harris

3. Josh Hazlewood

4. Siddle

5. Boland

6. Jackson friggin Bird

7. James Pattinson

8. Chadd Sayers

 

 

England are catching up too. Jimmy, Broad and especially Ollie are much more consistent than any of our bowlers.  

 

Not sure why we can't produce metronomes of high quality regardless of speed and release height.

 

Edited June 23, 2023 by Nikhil_cric

[Sandz]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

The sad thing is even with the lack of height and speed, none of these guys are anywhere near accurate enough either. That's the thing with a country like Australia. No matter what else their bowlers lack, they produce so many bowlers who can hit the seam on the right line and length. From those who played int'l cricket after McGrath

 

1. Stuart Clark

2. Ryan Harris

3. Josh Hazlewood

4. Siddle

5. Boland

6. Jackson friggin Bird

7. James Pattinson

8. Chadd Sayers

 

 

England are catching up too. Jimmy, Broad and especially Ollie are much more consistent than any of our bowlers.  

 

Not sure why we can't produce metronomes of high quality regardless of speed and release height.

 

Most of the bowlers you listed mostly focused on Test cricket , our bowlers play every format and IPL hence they never really develop to be metronomes. 
 

Jack of all trades master of none fits very well to our bowlers and batsmen.

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

The sad thing is even with the lack of height and speed, none of these guys are anywhere near accurate enough either. That's the thing with a country like Australia. No matter what else their bowlers lack, they produce so many bowlers who can hit the seam on the right line and length. From those who played int'l cricket after McGrath

 

1. Stuart Clark

2. Ryan Harris

3. Josh Hazlewood

4. Siddle

5. Boland

6. Jackson friggin Bird

7. James Pattinson

8. Chadd Sayers

 

 

England are catching up too. Jimmy, Broad and especially Ollie are much more consistent than any of our bowlers.  

 

Not sure why we can't produce metronomes of high quality regardless of speed and release height.

 

 

49 minutes ago, Sandz said:

Most of the bowlers you listed mostly focused on Test cricket , our bowlers play every format and IPL hence they never really develop to be metronomes. 
 

Jack of all trades master of none fits very well to our bowlers and batsmen.

More than anything,these were the same bowlers barring Siraj who have been playing test cricket since 2012/13

Bharat Arun started doing the hard yards with these guys and turned the same guys into a world-class unit

If you remember Ishant was quite toothless before 2015,county stint helped him but it was also due to Arun taking the charge and one can clearly see the difference once he left

Arun,even played Tyagi in one of preparatory tour game in Australia 20/21,he was allowed to travel along with Team India,it looked he had an eye on someone like him

[Nikhil_cric]

5 hours ago, Sandz said:

Most of the bowlers you listed mostly focused on Test cricket , our bowlers play every format and IPL hence they never really develop to be metronomes. 
 

Jack of all trades master of none fits very well to our bowlers and batsmen.

This. Multi format fast bowlers rarely work. 

[Need4Speed]

Need this thread to be alive and kicking...

[express bowling]

On 6/23/2023 at 1:04 PM, Nikhil_cric said:

The sad thing is even with the lack of height and speed, none of these guys are anywhere near accurate enough either. That's the thing with a country like Australia. they produce so many bowlers who can hit the seam on the right line and length. From those who played int'l cricket after McGrath

 

1. Stuart Clark

2. Ryan Harris

3. Josh Hazlewood

4. Siddle

5. Boland

6. Jackson friggin Bird

7. James Pattinson

8. Chadd Sayers

 

 

England are catching up too. Jimmy, Broad and especially Ollie are much more consistent than any of our bowlers.  

 

Not sure why we can't produce metronomes of high quality regardless of speed and release height.

 

 

 

Which Indian pacers are you talking about here ?

 

Bumrah and Shami have accuracy, speed and great seam positions. 

 

And their seam positions are better than all the Australian seamers you have listed above. 

[harpicP]

On 6/20/2023 at 12:23 PM, singhvivek141 said:

Pace doesn't look too high, even if I ignore what speedometer says he doesn't seem a 140+ bowler. Maybe 135-140, that's it.

How tall is he ?

6 feet. 

But pace isn't impressive. 

[harpicP]

On 6/19/2023 at 8:38 PM, singhvivek141 said:

And then our coach will defend him saying "lower your expectations...we still haven't lost to Zimbabwe at home. Bade Bade Cricketing countries me aisi choti choti losses hoti rehti hain. There is a freaking process and we're following that goddamn rulebook. Fast bowling leak runs." 

Rule book

Rote learning

By heart 

Memorisation

No application

No practicality 

Mug up

Follow rules and codes. Never make changes. 

 

 

These are things indian boards love across both education and sports. 

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Which Indian pacers are you talking about here ?

 

Bumrah and Shami have accuracy, speed and great seam positions. 

 

And their seam positions are better than all the Australian seamers you have listed above. 

Bumrah was not accurate either in the semis or in he finals. Gave too much width and overpitched with the new ball. Siraj was not throughout the Cup and they were our new ball bowlers. Agree about Shami but he was first change 

 

Look at the new ball bowling by Starc and Hazlewood in both semis and final. Virtually nothing fuller than 6 m and nothing beyond 6th stump. 

[express bowling]

12 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Bumrah was not accurate either in the semis or in he finals. Gave too much width and overpitched with the new ball. Siraj was not throughout the Cup and they were our new ball bowlers. Agree about Shami but he was first change 

 

Look at the new ball bowling by Starc and Hazlewood in both semis and final. Virtually nothing fuller than 6 m and nothing beyond 6th stump. 

 

Bumrah was quite accurate in the final. And careerwise Bumrah has been the most accurate 140 k+ pacer in the history of test cricket in all probability. 

 

Starc is usually a rather inaccurate pacer. Australians always outperform in crunch matches. 

 

 

[Mesky99]

On 6/23/2023 at 8:34 AM, Nikhil_cric said:

The sad thing is even with the lack of height and speed, none of these guys are anywhere near accurate enough either. That's the thing with a country like Australia. No matter what else their bowlers lack, they produce so many bowlers who can hit the seam on the right line and length. From those who played int'l cricket after McGrath

 

1. Stuart Clark

2. Ryan Harris

3. Josh Hazlewood

4. Siddle

5. Boland

6. Jackson friggin Bird

7. James Pattinson

8. Chadd Sayers

 

 

England are catching up too. Jimmy, Broad and especially Ollie are much more consistent than any of our bowlers.  

 

Not sure why we can't produce metronomes of high quality regardless of speed and release height.

 

We do have such bowlers but they never get picked, its either  quota pick or some bowlers who the selectors have seen in ipl, ishan porel, kaverrapa, vaibhav arora, simarjeet singh, there is no eye for talent, planning and sadly most of these young bowlers keep regressing, we wasted nathu Singh back in 2015, saini, prasidh yet to debut in test cricket, mavi, nagarkoti both destroyed, tyagi no where around, sen did well last year in the irani cup but now lost. Porel india A bowler few years back somehow tushar deshpande has jumped the line now 

[tapandrun]

On 6/23/2023 at 3:34 AM, Nikhil_cric said:

The sad thing is even with the lack of height and speed, none of these guys are anywhere near accurate enough either. That's the thing with a country like Australia. No matter what else their bowlers lack, they produce so many bowlers who can hit the seam on the right line and length. From those who played int'l cricket after McGrath

 

1. Stuart Clark

2. Ryan Harris

3. Josh Hazlewood

4. Siddle

5. Boland

6. Jackson friggin Bird

7. James Pattinson

8. Chadd Sayers

 

 

England are catching up too. Jimmy, Broad and especially Ollie are much more consistent than any of our bowlers.  

 

Not sure why we can't produce metronomes of high quality regardless of speed and release height.

 

 

In Ind domestics bowlers (Pacers) do not get wkts by bowling tight line and length rather they get wkts by lateral movement, hence they do not worry much about tight overs.

They know if you bowl at certain speeds(low 135 kmphs where edges does nt got to 4/6 and no pace to work with) with some lateral movement batter are going to poke 1/2 behind the stumps.

 

In Aus wkts are hard, bowlers get wkt with seam movements and hence they work on line length with sustained pace.

 

Ind bowlers learn this after coming to intnl level hence we see the difference, u jst need to check who are to wkt takers (pacers)in VHT and SMAT. 

More over selection in Ind is not same as Aus, Aus alway pick high potential longterm players for ODI and Test and then their are stop-gap player too like Harris, Hilfenhaus .. etc are highly skilled and knows their role and look like head of the pack, in Ind high potential player are gruelling in domestic cricket.

 

Ind can field the fastest bowling attack right now but they do not care abt it, many low potential players are making into Ind team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[raki05]

12 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Bumrah was not accurate either in the semis or in he finals. Gave too much width and overpitched with the new ball. Siraj was not throughout the Cup and they were our new ball bowlers. Agree about Shami but he was first change 

 

Look at the new ball bowling by Starc and Hazlewood in both semis and final. Virtually nothing fuller than 6 m and nothing beyond 6th stump. 

Starc , Hazzlewood or cummins made to look good due to slowness of pitch, had they were so good why they were almost about to loose against pak and nz inspite of scoring near 400 and why dint they defeat India in first game defending 200 that too on Chennai pitch after having us at 2/3. Had it not been Dravid and Sharma chutiyapa with pitch tampering we have seen how good is starc or hazzlewood is. None of them has accuracy and swing as bumrah.

[Need4Speed]

11 hours ago, raki05 said:

Starc , Hazzlewood or cummins made to look good due to slowness of pitch, had they were so good why they were almost about to loose against pak and nz inspite of scoring near 400 and why dint they defeat India in first game defending 200 that too on Chennai pitch after having us at 2/3. Had it not been Dravid and Sharma chutiyapa with pitch tampering we have seen how good is starc or hazzlewood is. None of them has accuracy and swing as bumrah.

ye baat ipl franchises are not getting too...they are good bolwers but not worth 20/25 crores..though cummins will help batting too..but dont expect them giving 100% ROI...

[Need4Speed]

How is Manit Jasrotia shaping up!

[Suhaan]

On 12/20/2023 at 11:07 AM, raki05 said:

Starc , Hazzlewood or cummins made to look good due to slowness of pitch, had they were so good why they were almost about to loose against pak and nz inspite of scoring near 400 and why dint they defeat India in first game defending 200 that too on Chennai pitch after having us at 2/3. Had it not been Dravid and Sharma chutiyapa with pitch tampering we have seen how good is starc or hazzlewood is. None of them has accuracy and swing as bumrah.

Absolutely right,they didn't get it all

All of those tremendous wins came in sporting pitches

The minute they decided to rigg/fix which wasn't broke in the first place,it backfired and it cost India the precious and most prestigious ICC price-The 50 over WC trophy

So sad so painful,this has left so many scars in our memories

[putrevus]

On 12/20/2023 at 12:37 AM, raki05 said:

Starc , Hazzlewood or cummins made to look good due to slowness of pitch, had they were so good why they were almost about to loose against pak and nz inspite of scoring near 400 and why dint they defeat India in first game defending 200 that too on Chennai pitch after having us at 2/3. Had it not been Dravid and Sharma chutiyapa with pitch tampering we have seen how good is starc or hazzlewood is. None of them has accuracy and swing as bumrah.

Rohit Sharma did the same nonsense in test series against Australia. He got involved too much with pitch tampering.Aussies completely outplayed India in last two tests.

 

 

[AKane]

New bowler for the West Indies - revives flickering memories of past Windies greats.

 

"Shamar Joseph, the uncapped and unlikely fast bowler from a remote rural village in Guyana, revived flickering memories of West Indies quicks from past eras in an impressive maiden outing on Australia soil."

 

In the clip on this page - he looks like Rabada bowling.

 

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/3853744/west-indies-cricket-australia-xi-match-report-day-two-highlights-scores-adelaide

Edited January 13 by AKane

[AKane]

On 12/19/2023 at 11:08 AM, express bowling said:

Bumrah was quite accurate in the final.

er.... 2/43 off of 9 overs with one wicket, Smith, not really out defending 240 is a very average performance accuracy notwithstanding.

Edited January 13 by AKane

[AKane]

On 1/12/2024 at 10:13 AM, Suhaan said:

On 12/19/2023 at 11:37 PM, raki05 said:

Starc , Hazzlewood or cummins made to look good due to slowness of pitch, had they were so good why they were almost about to loose against pak and nz inspite of scoring near 400 and why dint they defeat India in first game defending 200 that too on Chennai pitch after having us at 2/3. Had it not been Dravid and Sharma chutiyapa with pitch tampering we have seen how good is starc or hazzlewood is. None of them has accuracy and swing as bumrah.

Absolutely right,they didn't get it all

All of those tremendous wins came in sporting pitches

The minute they decided to rigg/fix which wasn't broke in the first place,it backfired and it cost India the precious and most prestigious ICC price-The 50 over WC trophy

So sad so painful,this has left so many scars in our memories

 

Man ... I get where all you guys are coming from.

 

However I am also getting tired about crying about the pitch used in the WC final. Who made the pitch? Us. All of us - including the players and even including - god forbid - Shami and Bumrah.

 

Who made the Cape Town pitch? SA. They dug a ditch and fell in it themselves. Serves them right. 

 

Who made the WC finals pitch? India. We dug a ditch and fell in it ourselves. Serves us right.