Young upcoming fast bowlers thread.

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

150 kph

Looked quite quick and bounce, someone measured him?

[BacktoCricaddict]

This thread is full of false hope for desperate fans.  After Siraj, there has been no real progress in test-level fast-bowler pipeline.  Siraj slogged it out in domestics for 2 more years than he should have, but luckily survived and became an asset.

 

Then, we've had Saini, Avesh, Prasidh, Porel, Tyagi, K. Sen, Umran Malik, etc. etc. but either due to injury or just lack of development/opportunity, none of them is knocking on the door.  This past year's domestics did not reveal any new viable fast-bowling talent.  Yes, there is Kaverappa and Rana, but their performances are nowhere as dominant and consistent as Siraj's before he was selected.

 

We are stuck with Umesh Yadav (who is a workhorse, but not a primary threat) to support Siraj and Shami.  Hopefully by the time Shami retires, one of these others or someone we haven't even noticed yet will emerge, but am not holding my breath.

 

 

[rkt.india]

38 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Looked quite quick and bounce, someone measured him?

RCB staff does measure his speed. He posted one video with caption as 150k Yorker

[rkt.india]

5 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

This thread is full of false hope for desperate fans.  After Siraj, there has been no real progress in test-level fast-bowler pipeline.  Siraj slogged it out in domestics for 2 more years than he should have, but luckily survived and became an asset.

 

Then, we've had Saini, Avesh, Prasidh, Porel, Tyagi, K. Sen, Umran Malik, etc. etc. but either due to injury or just lack of development/opportunity, none of them is knocking on the door.  This past year's domestics did not reveal any new viable fast-bowling talent.  Yes, there is Kaverappa and Rana, but their performances are nowhere as dominant and consistent as Siraj's before he was selected.

 

We are stuck with Umesh Yadav (who is a workhorse, but not a primary threat) to support Siraj and Shami.  Hopefully by the time Shami retires, one of these others or someone we haven't even noticed yet will emerge, but am not holding my breath.

 

Kuldeep Sen had 8 fer in the last Irani trophy match for Madhya Pradesh. He was picked but got injured. Now he is fit and must be picked for WI tour. In fact, Harshit Rana and Kuldeep both need to get picked in the next series we play.

[BacktoCricaddict]

12 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Kuldeep Sen had 8 fer in the last Irani trophy match for Madhya Pradesh. He was picked but got injured. Now he is fit and must be picked for WI tour. In fact, Harshit Rana and Kuldeep both need to get picked in the next series we play.

 

Your post is a bit misleading. 

 

Kuldeep Sen did not play in the March 2023 Irani match for MP.

 

In the Oct 2022 Irani match, he played for ROI vs Saurashtra and took 3+5 wkts.  Excellent performance, but not the same as an 8-fer (dominating). 

 

But you are right.  If he is fit, he must debut in the XI in the Caribbean test series and given a long rope through both tests. 

Edited June 13 by BacktoCricaddict

[sarchasm]

Midget Mukesh would debut before Kuldeep - guaranteed.

 

Mukesh, Undercutter, Arshdeep are our next in line quicks in tests.

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, sarchasm said:

Midget Mukesh would debut before Kuldeep - guaranteed.

 

Mukesh, Undercutter, Arshdeep are our next in line quicks in tests.

also they will find some way to bring in King Boober

[Nikhil_cric]

On 6/9/2023 at 5:29 PM, express bowling said:

We need to look primarily for tall, hit the deck quicks. 

Need atleast 1 tall seamer. Ishant was the reason that the Indian Test attack looked complete. Without him, the sameness is limiting this attack. All of them, Bumrah included, do not get anywhere near enough bounce and never have. All are short and skiddy and they have lost pace too. Were averaging 83 mph in the WTC. 

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Need atleast 1 tall seamer. Ishant was the reason that the Indian Test attack looked complete. Without him, the sameness is limiting this attack. All of them, Bumrah included, do not get anywhere near enough bounce and never have. All are short and skiddy and they have lost pace too. Were averaging 83 mph in the WTC. 

Any tall seamer who is a trundler 120-125 kph will be preferred 

[Suhaan]

27 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Any tall seamer who is a trundler 120-125 kph will be preferred 

Delicious speed with masala line and length, perfect raceeepee for disaster

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

Delicious speed with masala line and length, perfect raceeepee for disaster

And then our coach will defend him saying "lower your expectations...we still haven't lost to Zimbabwe at home. Bade Bade Cricketing countries me aisi choti choti losses hoti rehti hain. There is a freaking process and we're following that goddamn rulebook. Fast bowling leak runs." 

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Any tall seamer who is a trundler 120-125 kph will be preferred 

Hai na Delhi ka launda 6 foot 5 Divij Mehra. 

[Vijy]

On 6/13/2023 at 9:17 AM, sarchasm said:

Midget Mukesh would debut before Kuldeep - guaranteed.

 

Mukesh, Undercutter, Arshdeep are our next in line quicks in tests.

also ishant and boobie somehow

[express bowling]

12 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Need atleast 1 tall seamer. Ishant was the reason that the Indian Test attack looked complete. Without him, the sameness is limiting this attack. All of them, Bumrah included, do not get anywhere near enough bounce and never have. All are short and skiddy and they have lost pace too. Were averaging 83 mph in the WTC. 

 

Bumrah, due to his long arms and high arm action, gets more bounce than batters expect. He hits the bat high and hard. 

 

Umesh and Shami have lost pace due to age but Siraj was quick. Expect Bumrah to bowl at full pace too when fit. 

 

We need 2 more tall, hit the deck quicks to partner Bumrah and Siraj. 

 

And as pacers are injury prone, we need to have s pool of 4 hit the deck quicks and choose 2 out of them.

 

My picks ....

 

Harshit

Sen

Prasidh

Tyagi. ( needs to play FC ) 

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Bumrah, due to his long arms and high arm action, gets more bounce than batters expect. He hits the bat high and hard. 

 

Umesh and Shami have lost pace due to age but Siraj was quick. Expect Bumrah to bowl at full pace too when fit. 

 

We need 2 more tall, hit the deck quicks to partner Bumrah and Siraj. 

 

And as pacers are injury prone, we need to have s pool of 4 hit the deck quicks and choose 2 out of them.

 

My picks ....

 

Harshit

Sen

Prasidh

Tyagi. ( needs to play FC ) 

instead, we will have this fearsome 6 to choose from:

 

umesh

ishant

shami

mukesh

boobi

undercutter

Edited June 19 by Vijy

[singhvivek141]

17 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

lokesh raj

 

 

 

 

Pace doesn't look too high, even if I ignore what speedometer says he doesn't seem a 140+ bowler. Maybe 135-140, that's it.

How tall is he ?

[Vijy]

39 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

lokesh raj

 

 

 

 

doesn't look that impressive to me compared to some others. moreover, anyone called lokesh should not be let into the team (see Kela)

[cric_fan]

So what’s happening to all the Indian phaaaaaast bowlers??

[Need4Speed]

4 hours ago, cric_fan said:

So what’s happening to all the Indian phaaaaaast bowlers??

Being instrcuted to bowl line and length

[Nikhil_cric]

The sad thing is even with the lack of height and speed, none of these guys are anywhere near accurate enough either. That's the thing with a country like Australia. No matter what else their bowlers lack, they produce so many bowlers who can hit the seam on the right line and length. From those who played int'l cricket after McGrath

 

1. Stuart Clark

2. Ryan Harris

3. Josh Hazlewood

4. Siddle

5. Boland

6. Jackson friggin Bird

7. James Pattinson

8. Chadd Sayers

 

 

England are catching up too. Jimmy, Broad and especially Ollie are much more consistent than any of our bowlers.  

 

Not sure why we can't produce metronomes of high quality regardless of speed and release height.

 

Edited June 23 by Nikhil_cric