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Why was Ashwin completely sidelined from T20?


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3 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

So Chahal has same number of wickets in 10 less matches. There is really no comparison between the two. One is an attacking bowler who keeps tossing the ball up vs one who mostly bowled flat in LOIs with first priority to stop runs (the Dhoni mantra).

 

Having said that, Chahar isn’t the same bowler of 2017-18. Needs to put in better performances else TM will soon get another defensive spinner.

No in terms of strike rate Ashwin 19. Chahal 16. He gets a wicket 3 balls earlier. Which is not a big deal in T20. Also look at the opposition he bowled to and Chahal bowled to. Chahal picked some cheap wickets against some lower ranked sides once the field is spread. 

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9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

No in terms of strike rate Ashwin 19. Chahal 16. He gets a wicket 3 balls earlier. Which is not a big deal in T20. Also look at the opposition he bowled to and Chahal bowled to. Chahal picked some cheap wickets against some lower ranked sides once the field is spread. 

Then Ashwin’s ER is 7 vs Chahal’s 8, which in a spell of 4 overs translates to 4 runs which is negligible.

 

Ashwin has a far higher proportion of matches without wickets or just 1 wicket (34 out of 46 matches ~80% for Ashwin, 23 out of 36 matches, ~66% for Chahal). Have said this earlier, a 2/40 in T20s by a spinne is any day better over 0/30 or 1/30.

 

Also Chahal’s numbers have suffered massively in last 6 months. Despite that, even now, he outguns Ashwin as a LOI bowler in nearly all aspects.

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34 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Then Ashwin’s ER is 7 vs Chahal’s 8, which in a spell of 4 overs translates to 4 runs which is negligible.

 

Ashwin has a far higher proportion of matches without wickets or just 1 wicket (34 out of 46 matches ~80% for Ashwin, 23 out of 36 matches, ~66% for Chahal). Have said this earlier, a 2/40 in T20s by a spinne is any day better over 0/30 or 1/30.

 

Also Chahal’s numbers have suffered massively in last 6 months. Despite that, even now, he outguns Ashwin as a LOI bowler in nearly all aspects.

How does he outgun. I just showed you he has better ER, only marginally lesser strike rate which matters less in T20. The kind of wickets you take matters. Dismissing ABDV 3 times is not the same as Dimissing Upul Tharanga 3 times.

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3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

I have a theory how Jaddu came back in. TM thought Krunal Pandya would be a great all rounder. He is going at a rate of 8.11 now. Not much use with bat. Fielding is also not as good as Jaddu. With the success of Jaddu in Tests and ODIs, they just replaced him with Jaddu. Like for Like. Truth is in terms of T20 batting that is not much of an upgrade. Bowling may be a slight upgrade.

Apples to Apples I would take Krunal over Jadeja in T20z

 

Krunal is a hack who can’t play pace but atleast he is not selfish. 

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13 minutes ago, maniac said:

Apples to Apples I would take Krunal over Jadeja in T20z

 

Krunal is a hack who can’t play pace but atleast he is not selfish. 

From a skill perspective Jaddu has clearly regressed.  He looks lesser version of Yuvi with the ball. Yuvi had beautiful pace variation with his bowling. Jaddu starts at 98 kph and maintains it between 98 and 103.  Hardly allows the ball to grip and turn even in Tests let alone in limited overs. It is very easy for batsmen to line up against him. He relies on natural variation that the pitch offers like day 5 pitch. Even that skill is slowly vanishing.

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Jadeja comes back because of his supposed all round skills. He got runs in oval in 2018, got back in the squad for Asia Cup post Pandya's injury. His bowling keeps him in the squad but TM forgets his batting is not up to the mark for lower order in LOIs.

Forget T20s, I hope Ashwin is not sidelined for Jadeja in NZ tests. Ashwin looked in way better form with ball in the recent series.

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1 hour ago, SK_IH said:

Jadeja comes back because of his supposed all round skills. He got runs in oval in 2018, got back in the squad for Asia Cup post Pandya's injury. His bowling keeps him in the squad but TM forgets his batting is not up to the mark for lower order in LOIs.

Forget T20s, I hope Ashwin is not sidelined for Jadeja in NZ tests. Ashwin looked in way better form with ball in the recent series.

Neither should be our lead spinner outside Asia. Kuldeep took a 5-er in Aus and has been sidelined for some strange reasons.

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11 hours ago, putrevus said:

I could understand him being sidelined for Kulcha but to be sidelined for Sundar and Jadeja is nonsense.He has become a liability on the field that is biggest negative.

Sundar is a batsman and provides bowling option as well and can easily bat up the order. Also, Kohli is looking to lengthen the batting line but playing jaddu for that is useless.

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10 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Ashwin was damn good in 2014 wc

2016 he was decent

2017 was odi so a diff format, no one has an issue with him being dropped in odi

 

Problem was we looked at scapegoats not the problem. We target few players without looking formats

 

Dhoni was bad in all - but wasnt touched

Dhawan n rohit flopped in both t20 wc. Atleast one cud have been changed as Dhawan is a flop t20 batsman but still kept his place. 

No jaddu is bought back on that semi innings.

Kohli said in interview that he feels jaddu is batting at his best.

What he doesnt get is jaddu can only do well we he has time in hand like test cricket or that semi final when he had 20 overs left. T20 gives u no time.

 

No ashwin bowled a lot in PP one of the reasons they got him in team was his success in ipl in pp. He made life tough  for gayle in ipl when he was at his peak. Ashwin was a goto bowler of dhoni for india n csk in powerplay

Kohli's thinking is quite unilateral. He needs to differentiate the formats. He himself bats same way in T20s as in ODIs which is not good when batting first and usually end up with below par total.

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10 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

I have a theory how Jaddu came back in. TM thought Krunal Pandya would be a great all rounder. He is going at a rate of 8.11 now. Not much use with bat. Fielding is also not as good as Jaddu. With the success of Jaddu in Tests and ODIs, they just replaced him with Jaddu. Like for Like. Truth is in terms of T20 batting that is not much of an upgrade. Bowling may be a slight upgrade.

They can easily use Sundar instead of Jaddu or Krunal. Better player, more potential. Can also bring in Gowtham for his big hitting.

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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Kohli's thinking is quite unilateral. He needs to differentiate the formats. He himself bats same way in T20s as in ODIs which is not good when batting first and usually end up with below par total.

That aint happening any time soon coz he said in the interview that player around him shud bat freely coz he is there to bat till end. This style works for Rohit n Kohli on days were they are able to bat till the end as they cover up the balls but problem is will be on days when they are unable to convert the start

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14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

That aint happening any time soon coz he said in the interview that player around him shud bat freely coz he is there to bat till end. This style works for Rohit n Kohli on days were they are able to bat till the end as they cover up the balls but problem is will be on days when they are unable to convert the start

Why can't he bat freely? 

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40 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

That aint happening any time soon coz he said in the interview that player around him shud bat freely coz he is there to bat till end. This style works for Rohit n Kohli on days were they are able to bat till the end as they cover up the balls but problem is will be on days when they are unable to convert the start

This style is hampering. There's no guarantee that either of em will bat till the end in every game.

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3 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

This style is hampering. There's no guarantee that either of em will bat till the end in every game.

Kohli hasnt understood dhawan, jadeja arent t20 player till now with being total failure, dont expect him to question his style which atleast has produced lot or runs in t20.

Deep analysis doesnt look like his forte

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