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1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

Ashwin better than Chahal,as an overall package brings more to the table

 

If Ashwin is alleged to have cost us CT2017 then Chahal is even bigger culprit he cost us WC2019

 

 

 

 

 

For the last freakin time, Kohli's brain dead selection in taking bhuvi over shami and top order batsmen cost the wc 2019 semi final. Chahal is an damn easy target for all the fans here. If you can't even chase 240 you have no business being in the semis.

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2 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Ashwin has not picked wickets in the 2015 semi 

He was the only Indian bowler who showed up that day. Complete patta, 330 total by Aussies, Ashwin gave 39/1 in his 10 (IIRC 10 of those runs came when he bowled the 45th over) accounting for the dangerous Maxwell. If you watched the match that day you'd know that he was the only guy who pulled things back, else Smith would have scored a 70 ball 100 and they would have scored 370+. 

 

What Kulcha did in 2019 edition, no spinning duo in the history of Indian cricket has done that bad in WCs. 

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I have always maintained that Ashwin is overrated in tests and an underrated LOI bowler (especially in T20s). He is much better T20 bowler than Kulcha and should be back in T20 WC next year. Ashwin should be only picked for Home tests and TOIs from now on considering back to back T20 WCs coming up.

 

Actually both Bhajji and Ashwin is better T20 bowler than Jaddu but later gets preference due to fielding and swag.

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1 hour ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

I have always maintained that Ashwin is overrated in tests and an underrated LOI bowler (especially in T20s). Ashwin should be only picked for Home tests and TOIs from now on considering back to back T20 WCs coming up.

 

Actually both Bhajji and Ashwin is better T20 bowler than Jaddu but later gets preference due to fielding and swag.

In test also he is pretty good

Country O M R W 5w 10w Best Avg S/R E/R
Australia 426.3 69 1298 27 0 0 4/105 48.07 94.78 3.04
Bangladesh 31.0 8 95 5 1 0 5/87 19.00 37.20 3.06
England and Wales 175.1 33 461 14 0 0 4/62 32.93 75.07 2.63
India 2092.3 463 5792 254 21 6 7/59 22.80 49.43 2.77
New Zealand 29.0 1 99 3 0 0 3/99 33.00 58.00 3.41
South Africa 118.3 22 323 7 0 0 4/113 46.14 101.57 2.73
Sri Lanka 260.4 47 820 38 3 1 6/46 21.58 41.16 3.15
West Indies 131.0 29 394 17 2 0 7/83 23.18 46.24 3.01
Overall () 3264.2 672 9282 365 27 7 7/59 25.43 53.66 2.84

 

 

 

Bad record only in 2 countries which ull find for most cricketers, at home, WI n SL he has been a freak to say the least . Even Lyon has bad record in 2 countries

Batsman like dravid has bad record in Sa n SL 

 

Not to forget 

  • His career aint over, kumble also improved his overseas record in last phase
  • Most overseas games he played his team struggled to put runs on board, when u dont have runs on board overseas captain cant attack overseas with a spinner
  • poor catching, in Sa in one game his 3 catches were dropped when he already had 4 wkts.
  • Injuries - which i dont know why ppl blame on him....no one inflicts injuries on themselves 
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8 hours ago, Stan AF said:

Ashwin and jadeja were rightly dropped after failing to pick wickets in the 2017 ct final semi. Both were dropped for good reasons.

 

Ashwin especially is not coming back into the LOI team. Better make your peace with it.

I suggest you revisit his bowling figures that day,on a strip which was dominated by bowlers barring Pandya and Chahal

Yes batsmen failed us but one cant deny Chahal bowled utter rubbish deliveries which he always does when he is under the pump

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Ashwin in T20Is is a asset to have.  Extremely smart cricketer in T20. Kuldeep & Chahal on average go 9 RPO in T20 Is these days as last two T20 series against WI & NZ suggested.  Sundar is good for nothing.  Ashwin not only keeps the run rate in check also picks up crucial wickets.  He should be back in the T20 team ASAP.  I hope he has a great IPl this time. 

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I guess it's mostly cause of his poor fielding + not good batsman in t20. He even bowled no ball in t20 worldcup semi final (2016) if i am not wrong. Another big reason is poor champions trophy performance. If dhoni was still captain of team then i could have seen him playing much more matches as well.

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On 7/24/2020 at 2:54 PM, Stan AF said:

Ashwin and jadeja were rightly dropped after failing to pick wickets in the 2017 ct final semi. Both were dropped for good reasons.

 

Ashwin especially is not coming back into the LOI team. Better make your peace with it.

Don't need Ashwin or Jadeja in T20s. Just need more accountability from Kulcha. Kuly we can give a longer rope but enough of Chahal...extremely 1D, mediocre, mental midget, defeatist attitude. A country like India shouldn't play such a low quality player. Gopal and Chahar need to be tried out, especially the former who is on the wrong side of 20s now. 

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On 12/9/2019 at 11:24 PM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Lost place in ODI hence they lost place in t20... mixing formats . But TM decided to look beyond finger spinner at that point 

 

Im still saying he is very underrated in t20 and shudnt be counted out yet. He has a lot of variation which is must in t20....even though his fielding n batting style goes against him but chahal isnt a good fielder and cant hold bat

 

 Ravichandran Ashwin (India) - T20 Cricket
 
Performance Analysis by Year  (calculated for matches beginning in named year)
 
Year O M R W 4w Best Avg S/R E/R
2010 8.0 0 70 2 0 1/22 35.00 24.00 8.75
2011 16.0 0 120 2 0 1/30 60.00 48.00 7.50
2012 46.5 1 340 10 0 2/16 34.00 28.10 7.26
2013 2.0 0 41 0 0 0/41     20.50
2014 27.1 0 161 11 1 4/11 14.64 14.82 5.93
2015 8.0 0 50 4 0 3/24 12.50 12.00 6.25
2016 59.0 1 372 23 1 4/8 16.17 15.39 6.31
2017 4.0 0 39 0 0 0/39     9.75
Overall (8) 171 2 1193 52 2 4/8 22.94 19.73 6.98

 

 

 

 

If u look at his numbers in 2014, 15, 16.....those are very good numbers 

 

Saying again he has to has to play in T20 specially now that kuldeep has lost his form

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Ashwin must be the most exposed bowler in the world of cricket. India internationals in 3 formats, IPL, domestic FC and List A, county and been so active for over a decade...so much footage available of his bowling (and he also sportingly shares his tricks) yet he manages to reinvent himself and doesn't even try illegal variations. So much criticism, scapegoating, insults etc but still mentally tough enough to keep his chin up. Kuldeep should learn from him, everybody goes through tough phases but how one responds matters. Response shouldn't be sitting on haunches and crying like a baby after Moeen Ali hits a few out of the ground in a random IPL match. 

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On 12/10/2019 at 8:09 AM, Khota said:

Ashwin currently is not a good player. There are several spinners ahead of him.

 

Did u find these spinners that u have been claiming and yet to find any name

Come on its been more then year atleast u shud have researched n found 5 

 

On 12/26/2019 at 6:12 PM, Khota said:

Ashwin strictlybased on bowling should not find spot in any format playing for India. He is the worst spinner India has.

 

So hows the worst spinner in India bowling ?

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9 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Did u find these spinners that u have been claiming and yet to find any name

Come on its been more then year atleast u shud have researched n found 5 

 

 

So hows the worst spinner in India bowling ?

He is having a good IPL and based on this he should be rewarded. I am not rigid like you. He was the worst in CT and he should have been discarded. It is all based on performance.

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The problem is Jadeja will be our 5th bowler based on his so called all round abilities. Jadeja has played 2009,2010,2012,2014,2016,2018 t20 world cups and didn’t win us a single match neither with bat or ball. Whenever he comes to bat, our excuse is he is number 7 so don’t expect much as we already lost the game. This line has saved his batting and bowling career. 

 

Ashwin is 100 times better t20 bowler than him. 

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