Global.Baba Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Param Mastishk Pheeka said: I have a hard time with this. Even assuming we can record the time of birth accurately to the millisecond, how can the position of planets (or grahas) physically affect your neurological attributes that then dictate your personality - at that instant you were born? Second, shouldn't it apply more to time of conception than time of birth? If astrology does not explain personality nor is it predictive, what good is it? Well Today with all the technology we still can’t get proper weather forecast correct but Let us say back in the day thousands of years ago a guy who is a hybrid astronomer/astrologer has his own methods to look at the weather , could be a more primitive method but those methods and variations of those have over time evolved into what we have today right? Let us say he predicts a dry monsoon season and concludes there will be a famine In the kingdom ? Obviously it not a 100% possibility, but there is some science behind his prediction Isn’t there? then would you classify that as science? Edited January 17, 2020 by Global.Baba sandeep and velu 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 8 hours ago, Mariyam said: My astrology untrained guess would be that crossing oceans/seas is akin to going to a foreign land. Saat samundar paar. What is the origin of that phrase anyways? It is a multi civilizational concept. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Seas This Wiki says it might have originated from Sapta Sindhu, but they were actually refering to seven rivers in Rigveda It reminds me of this Annie Lennox song. Lyrics Sweet dreams are made of this Who am I to disagree? I travel the world And the seven seas, Everybody's looking for something. Some of them want to use you Some of them want to get used by you Some of them want to abuse you Some of them want to be abused. Sweet dreams are made of this Who am I to disagree? I travel the world And the seven seas Everybody's looking for something Hold your head up Keep your head up, movin' on Hold your head up, movin' on Keep your head up, movin' on Hold your head up Keep your head up, movin' on Hold your head up, movin' on Keep your head up, movin' on Some of them want to use you Some of them want to get used by you Some of them want to abuse you Some of them want to be abused. Sweet dreams are made of this Who am I to disagree? I travel the world And the seven seas Everybody's looking for something Sweet dreams are made of this Who am I to disagree? I travel the world And the seven seas Everybody's looking for something Sweet dreams are made of this Who am I to disagree? I travel the world And the seven seas Everybody's looking for something Sweet dreams are made of this Who am I to disagree? I travel the world And the seven seas Everybody's looking for something Source: LyricFind Songwriters: Annie Lennox / David Allan Stewart Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This) lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC, Universal Music Publishing Group Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 @coffee_rules Reminds of this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RARfMOEstPE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 8 hours ago, Global.Baba said: Let us say back in the day thousands of years ago a guy who is a hybrid astronomer/astrologer has his own methods to look at the weather , could be a more primitive method but those methods and variations of those have over time evolved into what we have today right? one thing about our astronomy/astrology is that it accurately predicts solar and lunar eclipse Global.Baba 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 7 hours ago, Mariyam said: @coffee_rules Reminds of this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RARfMOEstPE Oh those dance moves of 90s, cringe. Divya was a cute Sridevi clone, sad she died so young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 18 hours ago, Param Mastishk Pheeka said: I have a hard time with this. Even assuming we can record the time of birth accurately to the millisecond, how can the position of planets (or grahas) physically affect your neurological attributes that then dictate your personality - at that instant you were born? Second, shouldn't it apply more to time of conception than time of birth? If astrology does not explain personality nor is it predictive, what good is it? Look if you don't understand it or don't believe in it, just leave it alone. Why are you bringing conception of birth and neurology into this nobody can calculate when the mother is conceived. Its basically like telling the astrologer when the father came into the mother. Astrologer dont need that info. You are just trying to throw this thread in a tangent. I'm just talking about the grahas and how they relate to humans. I have explained about sun and moon in my previous posts. Don't just jump into conclusions before you read any of my posts. I'm yet to explain other grahas, the signs, and the houses. If you are still not convinced, then let it go. This is for those interested in astrology EnterTheVoid and coffee_rules 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 Mars represents courage and action and usually quick action. Usually in fighting wars, action should be quick and fighters should have courage of fighting in the face of death. No thinking should be involved in fighting wars otherwise fighters would be toast. Which is why Mars is considered as the god of war in many ancient cultures. It deals with conflict by direct action and fighting. It can also represent enemies, strength, wounds, cuts, heat, burning, anger, aggression, basic logic. It also represents younger brothers, friends and friendly competition, sports (which mimic wartime activities in peaceful times to keep the warriors fit and ready for warfare) with the help of Jupiter in a person's life. Mars rules the first sign Aries and Scorpio and is exalted in Capricorn and debilitated in Cancer. Its element is fire and gets directional strength in the 10th house like the Sun. EnterTheVoid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 19 hours ago, Global.Baba said: Obviously it not a 100% possibility, but there is some science behind his prediction Isn’t there? then would you classify that as science? There are 2 major world religions that believe that male genital mutilation makes their God happy. Is that a scientific belief? Tomorrow if an isolated tribal from the Amazon or Andaman, sees somebody do a silly dance and flip a light switch, he may believe that the silly dance has the power to turn night into day. Doesn't make it science. Random hocus pocus with a sprinkling of math and calculation doesn't make bullshit into science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, sandeep said: There are 2 major world religions that believe that male genital mutilation makes their God happy. Is that a scientific belief? Tomorrow if an isolated tribal from the Amazon or Andaman, sees somebody do a silly dance and flip a light switch, he may believe that the silly dance has the power to turn night into day. Doesn't make it science. Random hocus pocus with a sprinkling of math and calculation doesn't make bullshit into science. Do you mean circumcision? How is that genital mutilation? This was exactly my point about the so called liberal progressive types making a judgement and acting smug and getting all phobic when religion is involved. Now coming back to that topic, well yes the part of believing that circumcision appeases god is stupid but the process itself does have some science behind it. In fact true story- one of my family member when he was a kid had a urological problem and he was recommended circumcison. We used to make fun of him by kind of islamising his hindu name Obviously everyone going under a knife in the name of religion is stupid. Thats the distinction you need to make. With your second example of tribes in Andaman/Amazon you are getting carried away with their traditions and the theatrics behind it like the rain dance etc but isn’t it amazing how they figure out or navigate around nature. Guess what it is usually the witch doctor/ shaman who guides them on when to bust out the rain dance or go in a certain direction for hunting etc and most times they are pretty accurate. Obviously the tribe call it magic but you can call it a method/ science that the individual has figured out. You are probably one of those who beleive that before the whiteman conquered the world everyone were living like natives without food,clothing,science,culture and language Edited January 17, 2020 by Global.Baba sandeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) Mercury in vedic astrology represents intellect, speech and communicating skills, learning, knowledge, trade, commerce, business people, management, lawyers, accountants, anything where attention to detail is needed. It is responsible for management of various things in life with intellect guiding through and compartmentalizing things according to priority. It also symbolizes art and wittiness. In the body it represents the nervous system and the digestive track which require the same attention to detail and communication as to where the nutrients should be delivered. Mercury rules over Gemini and Virgo and is exalted in its own sign Virgo and debilitated in Pisces. Its element is earth and gets directional strength in the first house Edited January 18, 2020 by Real McCoy EnterTheVoid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 Jupiter represents higher wisdom, good direction, teachers, schools, knowledge of scriptures, religion, spirituality, confidence, luck, honesty, temples, dharma, moksha, health, forgiveness, wealth, charity, etc. It represents liver and fats in the body and also represents elder brothers and mentors. Liver is the most abused organ in the human body and it forgives the harm to it to provide the body to function well and keep the health intact. Together with Mars it also represents competition and sports to provide good direction and diversion instead of fighting wars. Jupiter rules Sagittarius and Pisces. It is exalted in Cancer and debilitated in Capricorn. Its the only graha with the element as ether which is beyond this world hence representing moksha and transcendence. Some also say its element is fire but like a fire that throws light at things rather than burning things. It gets directional strength in the first house EnterTheVoid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 Venus represents interpersonal and negotiating skills, give and take attitude which is essential to business. It always seeks to estimate the price of things hence can be a little indecisive but usually represents good decision making abilities. It also represents beauty, marriage, comforts, love, wife, laziness, materialistic pleasures, lover of arts, good taste in clothes, sex, make up, long life, good health, physical fitness, etc. With Rahu or Saturn can Venus can lead to poisons like alcohol, cigarettes, drugs or prostitution, pornography, crime and other immoral acts. It represents the reproductive organs in the human body. Venus rules Taurus and Libra and is exalted in Pisces and debilitated in Virgo. Its element is water and gets directional strength in the 4th house EnterTheVoid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted January 18, 2020 Author Share Posted January 18, 2020 Saturn represents the struggles in life, obstacles, delays, ill health, sorrow, death, old age, longevity, slow but steady growth, discipline, government jobs, routine behavior, habit formation, coarse hair, shabby clothes, oils, lameness, lying, poor people, hard work, menial jobs, common man, disabled people, hospitals, jails, crime, extremism, cold heartedness, laziness, waste management, sewers, eunuchs, immoral acts, poisons, modern medicine etc. It represents the excretory organs in the human body. Saturn rules Capricorn and Aquarius and is exalted in Libra and debilitated in Aries. Its element is air and gets directional strength in the 7th house. EnterTheVoid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 4:01 PM, sandeep said: Its a free country, and a free forum. If it is a free country and free forum, why then you get upset when I criticise Islam? To be truthful, I doubt that you are yourself a Muslim in a disguise. While you could not confront openly, therefore you try to hide behind Hindu name and hide behind Secularism too to confront BJP members here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 22 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Oh those dance moves of 90s, cringe. Divya was a cute Sridevi clone, sad she died so young. The song has Sunny Deol! The heroine has to dance a few notches below her normal ability, so that the difference in dancing ability doesn't become all too apparent. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Param Mastishk Pheeka Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/17/2020 at 9:22 AM, Real McCoy said: Look if you don't understand it or don't believe in it, just leave it alone. Why are you bringing conception of birth and neurology into this nobody can calculate when the mother is conceived. Its basically like telling the astrologer when the father came into the mother. Astrologer dont need that info. You are just trying to throw this thread in a tangent. I'm just talking about the grahas and how they relate to humans. I have explained about sun and moon in my previous posts. Don't just jump into conclusions before you read any of my posts. I'm yet to explain other grahas, the signs, and the houses. If you are still not convinced, then let it go. This is for those interested in astrology Personality traits are controlled by the physiological factors such as nervous and hormonal systems. It stands to reason that, if something like planetary position at the moment of birth affects personality traits, it must be via the nervous and hormonal systems. I am looking for a causal mechanism. But, sure, I will stop posting on this thread and end with: "seri, Amma, vittu thaLLU*." - what I tell my mom when I question her superstitions and her response sounds just like your post. Cheers, good Sir (or ma'am). *"ok, Mom, let it go." EnterTheVoid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Param Mastishk Pheeka said: Personality traits are controlled by the physiological factors such as nervous and hormonal systems. It stands to reason that, if something like planetary position at the moment of birth affects personality traits, it must be via the nervous and hormonal systems. I am looking for a causal mechanism. But, sure, I will stop posting on this thread and end with: "seri, Amma, vittu thaLLU*." - what I tell my mom when I question her superstitions and her response sounds just like your post. Cheers, good Sir (or ma'am). *"ok, Mom, let it go." Dude you're taking after the personality traits of your mother and arguing in a thread that you are supposedly not interested in I told you to let it go and you're echoing what I said back to me. Its an astrology thread and I'm talking about that topic. It seems you have a problem with it. Like I said, leave it alone. But you won't. I'll be the bigger man and you can have your final say before I proceed to more on astrology. velu and EnterTheVoid 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Quite a nice concept this Vedic Astrology is. Takes years to gain a lot of knowledge in it and deep understanding of the subject. Only few intlelectuals have been masters of Vedic Astrology. Global.Baba and velu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 @Real McCoy have you heard of Naadi Jyoitsh popular in TamilNadu ? I believe they look at your thumbprint or something and predict your entire future until death. I have not heard anyone claim if they predicted the right future but have heard from a lot of the folk, that they did have an almost accurate analysis of their past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: @Real McCoy have you heard of Naadi Jyoitsh popular in TamilNadu ? I believe they look at your thumbprint or something and predict your entire future until death. I have not heard anyone claim if they predicted the right future but have heard from a lot of the folk, that they did have an almost accurate analysis of their past. heard about it .. from what i heard , most nadi astrology stations are scams Global.Baba 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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