maniac Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: In MI the dont have 3 batsman like dhawan, kohli, rohit who eat up most balls. Rahul n iyer also eat up balls in certain phases. Previously we had dhoni. Most of our batsman want to bat out innings which is why pandya hardly has faced many balls....if u wanna check stats look deeper in no of balls he gets. InMI he gets regular promotions, they also have hit or get out players like sky, kishen, pollard MI also has many collapses Just check the no of balls he gets Yes coz he coming from long injru that has reoccured again n again, how can u play tesg cricket straight being away from game for so long. Its called being realistic....he knws his body best then anyone Workload in ipl is far diff from test its comman sense 4 saale ke career men kya achievement chahiye. Its mostly assesed at the end of career Gosh the impatience.......players take time 2 min maggee noodle nhin hai Chalo, you tell me, chaawal pakne me kitna time lagta hai? Link to comment
maniac Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Kapil- debut in 1979, 4 years in ,by 83 WC winning captain, considered one of the fab 4 allrounders , played greatest knock in odi. Sachin- debut in 1989, by 1993 one of the best batsmen in the world. Gavaskar-,4 years in one of the greatest bats in the world, had one of the greatest series of all time Kohli- debut 2008-2009 but became permenant member around 2010, 2-3 years from there, one of the best in the world Rohit- year 1 of debut won India 2 tournaments with his contributions WT20 and CB series. Sure lost form that’s a different point but came back strong. Bumrah- 2 years in,one of the best in the world. Pandya- still a potential match winner despite being shoved down our throats in all formats. ATG performer on social media though. Forever Indian 1 Link to comment
zen Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, maniac said: Pandya- still a potential match winner despite being shoved down our throats in all formats. ATG performer on social media though. Like the greatest cricketer of all time, Sobers, Pandya charts his own course Unlike many of the guys you listed, he has already won a test for Ind in Eng with his AR performance Edited August 14, 2020 by zen Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, maniac said: Kapil- debut in 1979, 4 years in ,by 83 WC winning captain, considered one of the fab 4 allrounders , played greatest knock in odi. Sachin- debut in 1989, by 1993 one of the best batsmen in the world. Gavaskar-,4 years in one of the greatest bats in the world, had one of the greatest series of all time Kohli- debut 2008-2009 but became permenant member around 2010, 2-3 years from there, one of the best in the world Rohit- year 1 of debut won India 2 tournaments with his contributions WT20 and CB series. Sure lost form that’s a different point but came back strong. Bumrah- 2 years in,one of the best in the world. Pandya- still a potential match winner despite being shoved down our throats in all formats. ATG performer on social media though. Point taken - His main utility as of now is as a Hard hitting bat towards the end overs which to an extent he has fulfilled only in ODIs. He will probably remain a Robin Singh type allrounder rather than a Ben Stokes. Link to comment
zen Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) Since someone mentioned Kapil, In wins in tests: Kapil Cleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 1978-1994 131 5248 163 31.05 8 434 9/83 29.64 23 64 0 1.40 Profile filtered 1979-1994 24 904 109 33.48 1 90 7/56 18.30 3 18 0 15.18 In his entire career, Kapil has only won 4 tests overseas, his notable performance is a 5-er in Aus Pandya Career averages Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 11 532 108 31.29 1 17 5/28 31.05 1 7 0 0.23 Profile filtered 6 323 108 46.14 1 10 5/28 18.70 1 6 0 27.44 PS Overseas, I am not sure if Kapil can be even termed as an AR Records type all-round analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Home or away away (home of opposition) Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menuCleared query menu Career averages Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 1978-1994 131 5248 163 31.05 8 434 9/83 29.64 23 64 0 1.40 Profile filtered 1978-1994 66 2438 129 26.21 3 215 8/85 32.85 12 24 0 -6.64 Pandya Away Records type all-round analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Home or away away (home of opposition) Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menuCleared query menu Career averages Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff unfiltered 11 532 108 31.29 1 17 5/28 31.05 1 7 0 0.23 Profile filtered 10 461 108 28.81 1 17 5/28 29.64 1 7 0 -0.83 While Pandya has played most of his games overseas Edited August 14, 2020 by zen Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, maniac said: Chalo, you tell me, chaawal pakne me kitna time lagta hai? yuvraj rohit zaheer ke chawal pakne men 6-7 saal lage the utna to laga hi lo aur thoda doubt ho to hardik ke 11 test hai jaake kallis aur shakib ke 11 test ki perfomance dekh lo kitne chawal bane the Link to comment
SecondSlip Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Hardik Pandya is a very good batsman and should be treated as a batting allrounder in ODIs. He should bat at #6 and be the 6th bowling option for our team with Sir Jadeja at #7 and being the 5th bowler. The guy is probably one the best players of spin in the country and smashes them easily with barely any effort. Our middle order in ODIs should be this: 4. Shreyas Iyer 5. KL Rahul (WK) 6. Hardik Pandya 7. Ravindra Jadeja Having both Pandya and Jadeja in the playing XI gives team India so much flexibility. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, SecondSlip said: Hardik Pandya is a very good batsman and should be treated as a batting allrounder in ODIs. He should bat at #6 and be the 6th bowling option for our team with Sir Jadeja at #7 and being the 5th bowler. The guy is probably one the best players of spin in the country and smashes them easily with barely any effort. Our middle order in ODIs should be this: 4. Shreyas Iyer 5. KL Rahul (WK) 6. Hardik Pandya 7. Ravindra Jadeja Having both Pandya and Jadeja in the playing XI gives team India so much flexibility. as much as pandya deserve promotion problem is jadeja is absolute garbage at 7 , he is not ocmfertable when he has less time which is what pandya is . Jadeja has only done in well when he has had time on wkt and this makes another mess of the situation Link to comment
zen Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) First 20 tests of Stokes ^ - batting avg 28, bowling avg 41 Pandya has both better bowling (31) and batting (31) averages in "less than 20 tests" so far Edited August 14, 2020 by zen Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, zen said: First 20 tests of Stokes ^ - batting avg 28, bowling avg 41 Pandya has both better bowling (31) and batting (31) averages in "less than 20 tests" so far show the kallis n shakibs to Link to comment
zen Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: show the kallis n shakibs to Excl BD and Zim After 11 tests Kallis - batting 24, bowling 34 Sakib - batting 27, bowling 31 After 20 tests Kallis - batting 32, bowling 33 Sakib - batting 32, bowling 33 (both are similar at 20 test mark) Link to comment
zen Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) Once Pandya hits his stride, we may find many folks rushing to join Pandya's bandwagon! Edited August 14, 2020 by zen sandeep 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, zen said: Excl BD and Zim After 11 tests Kallis - batting 24, bowling 34 Sakib - batting 27, bowling 31 After 20 tests Kallis - batting 32, bowling 33 Sakib - batting 32, bowling 33 (both are similar at 20 test mark) ill add more JAson holder after 11 test Batting avg 26 Bowling avg 37 watson Batting- 26 Bowling- 36 Imran khan Batting- 19 bowling- 35 i think botham n kapil had good stats this early Link to comment
zen Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: ill add more JAson holder after 11 test Batting avg 26 Bowling avg 37 watson Batting- 26 Bowling- 36 Imran khan Batting- 19 bowling- 35 i think botham n kapil had good stats this early I have a thread on Sobers' numbers as well - Link I respect Kapil and believe that he had great talent but do not rate him highly (relatively speaking) based on his overall career test performances (output vs. talent). I hope that Pandya is able to fulfill most of his potential. Edited August 14, 2020 by zen Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 4 hours ago, zen said: I have a thread on Sobers' numbers as well - Link I respect Kapil and believe that he had great talent but do not rate him highly (relatively speaking) based on his overall career test performances (output vs. talent). I hope that Pandya is able to fulfill most of his potential. and pandya has jst played 1 home test , give him 10 test at home then lets see his stats Most batsman will hardly have good numbers after SA n ENG series, which is why in Sa apart from kohli only pandya n pujara touched 50 that to once Link to comment
zen Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: and pandya has jst played 1 home test , give him 10 test at home then lets see his stats Most batsman will hardly have good numbers after SA n ENG series, which is why in Sa apart from kohli only pandya n pujara touched 50 that to once In subcon, Pandya can score 50s-100s almost at will (as he gets big overs so can be close to 100 mark in no time) .... On rank turners, he can be used as the 2nd seamer w/ Yadav (rest to other pacers as well) and Ind can go in with 3 spinners for e.g. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 another terrfic player whose record was nothing great till 55 matches but backed and use to bat in Lower middle order Link to comment
Mariyam Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) On 8/14/2020 at 8:55 PM, zen said: Once Pandya hits his stride, we may find many folks rushing to join Pandya's bandwagon! He looks at the oncoming bowler through his visor, In the gap, he smashes those fours For team India's ailments, he is Pfizer Winning is paramount, doesn't care much for applause. Edited August 15, 2020 by Mariyam zen 1 Link to comment
vishalvirsingh Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 10:12 PM, zen said: Getting ready for action He is a god gifted talent like sehwag and sachin. Only true pace all rounder after kapil. Rasgulla and zen 1 1 Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) On 8/14/2020 at 4:25 PM, zen said: Once Pandya hits his stride, we may find many folks rushing to join Pandya's bandwagon! We should not accept them. It's now or never! Deadline to join in : 6·9 ·2020 Edited August 16, 2020 by Rasgulla zen 1 Link to comment
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