TM might be morons but why arent youngsters grabbing their chances?

[zen]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

So @Ankit_sharma03 and @zen you guys are telling me that it is solely the captains responsibility and no fault of the player even though they fail to make an impact or find themselves in situations to close games?

 

I do agree if a player is insecure it does play on his mind this is where the TM comes in and they have been pathetic at it.

 

However when you are in the X1, if you find yourself in a 25/4, or 40 needed from 20 balls or defending a sub par target it is solely on the player to deliver or make his contribution.

The issue is w/ creating unreasonable demands/expectations based on selecting some random innings of others  .... you want the inexperienced players to perform at 25/4 when it counts but don't see how the experienced players, who are secured of their place and batting positions, put Ind into that 25/4 situation just because they boost their averages by playing in the top order in bilaterals/group games 

 

 

Edited March 9, 2020 by zen

[cowboysfan]

this whole generation  of new guys have been a disappoint ,so much potential and very Little  result.

[maniac]

39 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

Maniac ji, two of your long backed players Ishant and Rohit took their own sweet time to start performing consistently and they could achieve that only because they were backed by TM. Each player has a different graph some start with a bang and then have a downward spiral before settling down. Some take a bit of time at start and then gradually become consistent.

 

No one in the history of the game has performed consistently when he has been in and out of team (barring injuries).

Rohit and Ishant were backed my TM because within their first year or so, Rohit played an important part in a memorable WT20 win as a 20 year old youngster with some clutch knocks followed by CB series in Australia.

 

Ishant won a man of the series vs a super strong Australia, played an important part in the Perth test win and got a 5'fr vs Pak at home on a dead pitch.

 

They grabbed opportunities and showed they can win matches on their own which led the TM to back them and believed in their abilities.

 

That's what I am talking about. Everyone knew these guys can win matches and they have the solid concrete proof of that and got that extra backing.

 

Jadeja was the only guy in whom a TM showed blind faith and kept shoving him down our throats till he finally found his forte as a test spinner. That's a rare instance.

 

Can you name a performance by any among the current lot that rivals Rohit's knocks in WT20 or CB Series or Ishan'ts break through performances in 2008-2009?

[maniac]

20 minutes ago, zen said:

The issue is w/ creating unreasonable demands/expectations based on selecting some random innings of others  .... you want the inexperienced players to perform at 25/4 when it counts but don't see how the experienced players, who are secured of their place and batting positions, put Ind into that 25/4 situation just because they boost their averages by playing in the top order in bilaterals/group games 

 

 

Rahul an opener at all levels was pushed to 4 and 5. He didn't complain, blame top order or bicker, They started making him keep as well and guess what he turned in to the most valuable player in the current line up. it's not the top 3, not the bowlers or even the mythical match winning abilities of Pant and Pandya but it is Rahul who is the biggest asset at this moment.

 

That's what I call grabbing a chance with both hands.

 

Aggarwal had a lot of deficiencies in his game but he battled it out in Aus, Cashed every opportunity he got in India and made hay and even though as expected failed in Nzl, he was by no means the worst of our problems.

 

This is what I mean by grabbing chances.

[zen]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

Rahul an opener at all levels was pushed to 4 and 5. He didn't complain, blame top order or bicker, They started making him keep as well and guess what he turned in to the most valuable player in the current line up. it's not the top 3, not the bowlers or even the mythical match winning abilities of Pant and Pandya but it is Rahul who is the biggest asset at this moment.

 

That's what I call grabbing a chance with both hands.

 

Aggarwal had a lot of deficiencies in his game but he battled it out in Aus, Cashed every opportunity he got in India and made hay and even though as expected failed in Nzl, he was by no means the worst of our problems.

 

This is what I mean by grabbing chances.

An irrelevant example - KL Rahul has been playing international cricket since 2014, while Agarwal is 29 years old (not a youngster) 

 

[bowl_out]

4 hours ago, zen said:

Pant should ideally be batting in the top order. Scored a 40 not out of 28 balls in a T20 in NZ. Outside of that has good performances (65*, 58, ....) vs. WI .... In tests, he has 2 100s in SENA, a feat that no specialist WK has achieved  .... Shaw has test 100s

 

These guys have made impact despite the discussed challenges  

I'm not questioning Tests.. it's LOIs where he hasn't made impact.

[zen]

7 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

I'm not questioning Tests.. it's LOIs where he hasn't made impact.

I listed his T20s performances too .... T20s are limited overs too, no? 

[RajBan]

It's a mix of both - Youngsters not taking their chances fully but more importantly the team managment being totally senseless. Infact it likely with a better captain-coach combo like Ganguly-Wright some of the players would have played better with a proper backing and vision in place without any bias and randomness.

[GautiMaan]

11 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Iyer was averaging 40+ at a SR of 100+ when he was dropped from the ODI squad in 2018.

 

 

 

 

Imo this was one of the reasons we lost the world cup,someone like Iyer may look ugly but he can get the job done in testing times.

[Lannister]

Laughable thread. You sound just like Kohli after getting his arse whooped under his leadership. 

[nevada]

The most disappointing for me is Pant. He had several opportunities handed out on a platter and still failed to cash in. Low pressure bilateral LOI series at home against mediocre opposition - what else do you need to score big and make a name for yourself? 

Edited March 10, 2020 by nevada

[maniac]

In terms of Chaos, favoritism, stupidity  and politics no better example than our neighbors. They make even Kohli-Shastri look like geniuses.

 

Look how much backing guys like Akmal bros or Shehzad have gotten and they failed.

on the other hand this new guy Abid Ali has been performing every chance he gets. He is not a world beater by any means but I respect the fact that he stood up and made the best of every chance he got. 
 

Our youngsters are far more superior and athletic. I mean a match winning 40 or a back to the wall 80 in tests is far more valuable than a 100 or 200 in tests. Some of these players have gotten these opportunities to make a mark and I don’t see them grabbing them.

 

Forget batsman, even bowlers. Saini has 5 wickets in 5 games and never took more than 2 wickets in a game. Yes it is a bad example as it is very early but what should be the benchmark, I mean how long should we wait for a break through performance before moving to the next guy.

 

Khaleel had talent but he is more focused on social media than improving his pace or skills. Siraj looks like he is going to have a nervous breakdown every time he steps on the field. Where are New gen bowlers who have confidence to bowl the last over and win the game?

 

I am not blaming the youngsters a 100%. Yes captain and team management are fools but even if they are to be blamed 80% youngsters have to take some responsibility as well.