Norman Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 My god. Letist/Islamist ecosystem is going bonkers on twitter. Apparently they want "proof" of the 5 PLA soldiers killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted June 16, 2020 Author Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Manny_Pacquiao said: Impossible. pakistani army is supported by the US. Like the US, China doesn't give a s*** about pakistan, they're interested in making money (from arms exports) and using them to put pressure on india. And you will never boycott anything chinese. Everything you own has something china-made. The indian government should negotiate with china. It's not black & white. Choosing products with lesser Chinese components is better than buying from Chinese brands. Thats just the beginning though, India would need a holistic approach to limit Chinese influence on Indian economy directly or indirectly. How many of those components of made in India phones or medicines are coming from China and what can be done to build them here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny_Pacquiao Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 48 minutes ago, mishra said: Global payment currency market which is dominated by Dollar, Euro, GBP and yen, got new entrant, a Chinese Yuan, that suddenly made Chinks realise the pottential and gains of Global financial order What happens in SCS is being funded by Chinese exports, Yuan purchase and China's assumption that UK is in its pocket. But now, Since Corona, China is loosing in all three areas. Couple of years and Chinese will realise, that they bit too much too soon and now cant chew it The EU isn't taking sides on china-US. Let's see which way some of these countries go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 43 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said: The EU isn't taking sides on china-US. Let's see which way some of these countries go. Its China vs EU. China is at war front with all three. 1. China Vs US (SCS) 2. China vs EU (Italy, BRI,Russia) 3. China UK (Nothing but US pressure, Hongkong ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 We have casualties in double digits. Army is not revealing as of now, but many have died and some are still in Chinese custody. Gollum and Laaloo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 55 minutes ago, Norman said: My god. Letist/Islamist ecosystem is going bonkers on twitter. Apparently they want "proof" of the 5 PLA soldiers killed. Modi needs to invite a All party meet. I dont see opposition at fault. Just because they are in opposition doesnt mean they will not come up with views and sound advise. Nation needs unity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, mishra said: Modi needs to invite a All party meet. I dont see opposition at fault. Just because they are in opposition doesnt mean they will not come up with views and sound advise. Nation needs unity For what? Its the opposition who dont trust their own people, army. the gov needs to communicate the details to public. And remember , only Indian side is telling the details, the other side neither the gov nor media tells anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Just now, someone said: For what? Its the opposition who dont trust their own people, army. the gov needs to communicate the details to public. And remember , only Indian side is telling the details, the other side neither the gov nor media tells anything... India is not Modi or BJP. Congress associated people have enough experience to contribute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 minute ago, mishra said: India is not Modi or BJP. Congress associated people have enough experience to contribute For many India is just BJP only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny_Pacquiao Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Clarke said: It's not black & white. Choosing products with lesser Chinese components is better than buying from Chinese brands. Thats just the beginning though, India would need a holistic approach to limit Chinese influence on Indian economy directly or indirectly. How many of those components of made in India phones or medicines are coming from China and what can be done to build them here ? Why? There's only one winner in that scenario: the US. They're the ones probably encouraging china to attack india behind the scenes. India should re-engage with china and work on a settlement. Instead of getting backed into a corner and then siding with the US, who'll do little but create more conflict. India currently resembles a punchbag being swinging helplessly in two different directions. Norman and Clarke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: For many India is just BJP only. Xi has so far check mated Modi. Everywhere. Not that China wasnt playing the chess, and mooving its pieces one by one since 1970s. Why now? Because gap between India and China is maximum and China thinks that this gap may decrease in post Covid world. What has to be understood is that rest of world is still saying 38,000 sq km of India territory is grabbed by Chinese without drop of single blood. Time now for India to retaliate in some other sector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 55 minutes ago, FischerTal said: We have casualties in double digits. Army is not revealing as of now, but many have died and some are still in Chinese custody. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 India plays chess, China plays Go. Read an interesting piece once..ignore the fact that it was published on TW. What Chess and 'Go' Tell Us About India and China’s Strategic Thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gollum said: Source? Twitter guy I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted June 16, 2020 Author Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said: Why? There's only one winner in that scenario: the US. They're the ones probably encouraging china to attack india behind the scenes. India should re-engage with china and work on a settlement. Instead of getting backed into a corner and then siding with the US, who'll do little but create more conflict. India currently resembles a punchbag being swinging helplessly in two different directions. Listening too much laal topi these days ? Edited June 16, 2020 by Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny_Pacquiao Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, mishra said: Xi has so far check mated Modi. Everywhere. Not that China wasnt playing the chess, and mooving its pieces one by one since 1970s. Why now? Because gap between India and China is maximum and China thinks that this gap may decrease in post Covid world. What has to be understood is that rest of world is still saying 38,000 sq km of India territory is grabbed by Chinese without drop of single blood. Time now for India to retaliate in some other sector Not even close. China and the US are trying to gauge the strength and sustainability of their alliances. Both sides want to know who is 'with them' and who is 'against them'. The only way you accomplish this, is by creating conflict. China isn't 'check-mating' anyone, they're looking for allies after the economic shutdown. This is where India has an opportunity. Think of this as a 'loyalty test'. India's circumstances are no different from that of other large economies - they're being forced to pick a side. At the moment, India, the EU and smaller economies are staying as neutral as they possibly can. Modi has pursued a policy of neutrality - NOT non-alignment, neutrality. He wants to play one side against another without being pushed into a formal alliance. There is no clarity on terms of engagement. The question is: whose side does India take? China or the US? We'll get more and more clues to that answer over the next couple of years. Norman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Right on cue Stradlater 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 is this going to escalate or just another skirmish we will forget about tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny_Pacquiao Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, Clarke said: Listening too much laal topi these days ? What do you mean? I am DOWNPLAYING China's military strength. China is an economic superpower, NOT a military one. You don't have to respect china's 'military' ambitions. (Not at this moment, anyway). Militarily, china has far too many pressing concerns - south china sea, and the greater south east - to actually give a s*** about border skirmishes with india. These are largely meaningless. And china doesn't have the ability to hurt india militarily, they have NOTHING to gain. The opposition are playing up the possibly of an india-china conflict, making it look worse than it is, because it's an opportunity for them to ATTACK the modi government for being weak on national security. But nobody is buying this s***, especially when China itself is admitting that it lost soldiers. Economically, china manufactures literally everything people own in india. You cannot remove chinese products from india. THIS is where you respect china's superpower status, and where you re-negotiate and find a new common ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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