Escalation at India-China border

[Pratik77]

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

 

 

[Gollum]

ANI is not reliable. As much as I want it to be true that agency has been reduced to Modi's lapdog. 

[Norman]

Just now, Gollum said:

ANI is not reliable. As much as I want it to be true that agency has been reduced to Modi's lapdog. 

Yeah. It's sad that we have to rely only on ANI for a positive info. 

[coffee_rules]

Even Shiv Aroor and Aditya Raaj Kaul tweeted about losing 20 Indian martyrs . Now, ANI claims Bateaters list 43 soldiers, 

 

Edited June 16, 2020 by coffee_rules

[Stradlater]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Rokibools, Nepalese quite pleased today. Yaad rakhenge. 

Koi yad nahi rakhne wala. Yahi is mulk ki asliyat hai. 

[sandeep]

Tragic horrific news.

 

CCP and PLA do not respond to diplomacy.  This attempt to use the Covid crisis to maximize their LAC gains HAS to be pushed back.  It does not matter that its terrible timing.  

 

Indian government needs a major, major revamp of its China policy.  All bets have to be off.  Including Tibet, Taiwan, economic decoupling.  And more.

[sandeep]

 

[G_B_]

It was a landslide

 

Most soldiers collpased into a ravine.

 

Om shanti to our dead.

 

One thing is clear given thr terrain china will have to sacrifice bodies like india does like in siachin. The weather claims lives...

[sandeep]

 

[sandeep]

3 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

It was a landslide

 

Most soldiers collpased into a ravine.

 

Om shanti to our dead.

 

One thing is clear given thr terrain china will have to sacrifice bodies like india does like in siachin. The weather claims lives...

who says it was a "landslide"?  

[G_B_]

1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

China has now formally commenced their “engage and contain” strategy. 
 

Modi is not Nehru though. 

 

As mentioned in my earlier post. China will have to sacrifice bodies in those weather conditions.

 

This is not like other borders.

 

[G_B_]

 

7 minutes ago, sandeep said:

who says it was a "landslide"?  

 

[MechEng]

Relax fellas. It's that time of the year again when ICFers get agitated due to military tensions. Take good care of yourself and hope for jawans to fight back.

[G_B_]

It should be noted than unlike many like Ajai shukla who used conjecture Iyer Mitra used satellite images to back up his claims. Has been spot on in his assessment of this border skirmish.

[Gollum]

Least the govt can do here is be completely honest, no use trying to minimize the tragedy or to mislead public/opposition about what exactly is the ground situation. We must give a united response after all facts have been disseminated. And as much as I dislike our opposition parties, time for govt to take them into confidence and they all should share platform, speak in one voice. 

Edited June 16, 2020 by Gollum

[raki05]

Chinese ll never accept casualties like their slaves Pakistanis ....But the way Indian news paper are claiming casualties on Chinese sides even ndtv said 43 Chinese killed , china would think twice before doing such adventure. I just would like to know how is Mr. Oli and Kaali daal no tweet from them. Till morning Pakistanis and deshdrohi Indian were celebrating as if china attack was on modi and not on India as if china is fighting for pakistanis and deshdrohi Indian's cause.....now they are shrugging off by saying it doesn't matter who is killed or not modi should be blamed he should handel internal issues than creating dispute with Neighbours.

[G_B_]

5 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Least the govt can do here is be completely honest, no use trying to minimize the tragedy or to mislead public/opposition about what exactly is the ground situation. We must give a united response after all facts have been disseminated. And as much as I dislike our opposition parties, time for govt to take them into confidence and they all should share platform, speak in one voice. 

 

1n thread Ok. So the official version will be out shortly. I’m putting out what I’ve been able to confirm by the 3 man rule. Yesterday afternoon there was a disengagement meeting. It went well. In the evening 2 patrols went to verify that the disengagement had in fact been

 

 

2n carried out. Note this does not reflect LAC claims - each was meant to withdraw 2-3 kilometres back to their permanent outposts. The first smaller patrol did in fact as speculated in the quoted tweets, come across the Chinese staying put. A fight broke out.. this was on a

 

3n narrow ledge. The initial Chinese patrol was much bigger & some of our soldiers have been taken. Within minutes the Indian second patrol joined in to help. Then within 15-20 mins the second Chinese patrol also joined in. Remember this was a precarious trail & by the

 

4n time both patrols of both countries joined in there was a virtual stampede. This was compounded by the fact the initial deaths meant there was absolutely no backing down for either side. In the end reinforcements were called up. The fight blew up to about 200-300 men.

 

5n the bad news is several of our men did fall into the ravine. Having happened at night & with chest deep water recovery operations have been hampered. also due to their sheer superiority of numbers, part of the ridge collapse under the weight of the Chinese. Total casualties on

 

6n the Chinese side are expected to be around 40-50, significant fatalities given the sheer drop and jagged rocks. Indian fatalities also resulted from pushing off the ridge as indicated earlier in the quoted tweet, our fatality numbers will rise. Efforts on to ascertain if

 

7n the missing are apprehended or fell into the ravine. It’s probably better news if they are in fact hostages.

 

8n btw the Chinese CO is also among the Chinese dead. Apparently during the “landslide” or whatever it was that resulted in most of the Chinese casualties

 

cc Iyer Mitra 

 

 

 

[MechEng]

4 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Chinese ll never accept casualties like their slaves Pakistanis ....But the way Indian news paper are claiming casualties on Chinese sides even ndtv said 43 Chinese killed , china would think twice before doing such adventure. I just would like to know how is Mr. Oli and Kaali daal no tweet from them. Till morning Pakistanis and deshdrohi Indian were celebrating as if china attack was on modi and not on India as if china is fighting for pakistanis and deshdrohi Indian's cause.....now they are shrugging off by saying it doesn't matter who is killed or not modi should be blamed he should handel internal issues than creating dispute with Neighbours.

Really!? PP Indian posters will be so roasted.

 

BBC refuses to show Chinese casualties. 

Edited June 16, 2020 by MechEng

[G_B_]

So a few key broader points.

 

(a) India needs to continue to build infrastructure along the border. China is ridiculous. They build all the infra they want and when India does the same they escalate. This whole issue started when India started building roads. 

 

(b) They cannot be trusted to keep even the simplest of terms. The military commanders negotiating needs to never agree to anything. 

 

(c) China needs to know that they will have a loss of life. Be it due to the Indian army or the terrain or the combination of both. India will continue to press. Its the price they will have to pay. The truth is that the Chinese soldiers are not battle hardened. Our forces due to Kashmir are.

 

(d) Chinese deaths should also send a message to Nepal. If India can directly can stand its ground to China, Nepals fate will be much worse. Let them draw whatever map they want in their parliament. If they back this up with actions there will be a heavy price.