Stan AF Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 39 minutes ago, Norman said: Kidnap Sam curran ahead of the series. Not a bad idea. We should have done that before that series started. Link to comment
Stan AF Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Norman said: A random fact .... We haven't won a series in England since the arrival of IPL. Perhaps a change in mentality for the batsmen. Not random by any means. It is as primary reason as it gets. Norman 1 Link to comment
Clarke Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Gollum said: Watching tests in Eng is torture, they somehow always manage to * up against Pak, if Eng wins against the others I can't stand Sky team's gloating, if they are't doing well I just think about how we managed to make clowns out of ourselves the last decade over there. For me next year's Eng tour is bigger than the 2023 WC, a decade of humiliation must be avenged. Hahaha, avenge .. Shastri is already preparing for it https://t.co/7zdV2QqIaP https://twitter.com/RaviShastriOfc/status/1026492921921630208?s=20 Edited July 10, 2020 by Clarke Gollum 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) If I have to pick a XI now, I will go with (horses for courses): Gill Mayank Pujara Kohli (c) Vihari Pant (wk) Shankar Bhuvi Deepak Chahar Ishant Bumrah No flashy opener, Gill plays late and Mayank has patience. Pujara guaranteed starter in all 5 tests no matter what, give him the assurance before itself and ask him to play his natural game. Shankar and Vihari can combine to fill 10-15 overs/day. No need of specialist spinner (curators will doctor pitches to eliminate threat of spin) and Shankar on a cold, overcast day will surprise many with the ball because he bowls at the right pace and has decent control...moreover ball has to do just enough to beat the edge, exaggerated movement is good for viewers but not wicket taking. 2 out and out swing bowlers in Bhuvi/Chahar who also increase our batting depth. No Shami cos he hasn't done well in Eng and please God no Umesh. Edited July 10, 2020 by Gollum Lone Wolf 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Clarke said: Hahaha, avenge .. Shastri is already preparing for it https://t.co/7zdV2QqIaP https://twitter.com/RaviShastriOfc/status/1026492921921630208?s=20 Beghairat insaan. Link to comment
Stan AF Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 I just remembered clouderson has 100 test wickets against us. Link to comment
Gollum Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 We had quite a few genuine swing bowlers in the 2000s, now mostly hit the deck guys Ishant being an exception but even he has his odd-even days jhanjhat. We overlooked Deepak Chahar for tests in Eng/NZ and Bhuvi gets injured when we need him most. Bowling attack must change next year, not necessary to play the best 4 quicks but 4 quicks who are best for those conditions. Absence of a swing specialist cost us dearly in NZ earlier this year. Link to comment
Adamant Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 First of all ,those who want rahane to captain india should be banned from this site.I dont remember the last time this guy took reponsibility against strong teams.He is india's version of asad shafiq,will play one good innings in a series to resrve his place for the next one.Kick this guy out and get shubman gill in.The role of a no.5 batsman is to consistently take team out of trouble or make a big score when there is a good foundation set,this guy fails in both scenarios. Secondly,Shami is a great bowler but virat needs to realise that horses for courses is the best way forward.Shami has awful record in england and i am hardly surprised because he is 5ft 8 and depends on pace,bounce and reverse swing.Bhuvi kumar should be preferred any day over shami in english and nz conditions.Bhuvneshwar is also a dependable batsman down the order which makes his case even more stronger. Third,Hardik pandya is very important for away tours.He provides a fifth bowling options keeps the main bowlers fresh and if he keeps his head down and work he can improve his batting,he has the potential to become a 35+ avg batsman. Fourth ,no more sharma ,dhawan experiments please. Fifth,make pant our permanent keeper away from home,saha karthik experiment should end. Sixth jadeja ahead of ashwin in england.Our fast bowlers + pandya are more than enough to take 20 wickets every match,so jadeja is a better bet than ashwin.Ashwin's batting has regressed and jadejas batting has improved.Although we cant expect fifers from jadeja but he can keep it tight and can also take an ocassional wicket. Shaw agarwal pujara kohli(cap) Shubman Gill Hardik Pandya Rishabh Pant(wk) Ravindra Jadeja Bhuvneshwar Kumar Ishant Sharma Bumrah Bhuvi batting at no.9 ,so we have considerable batting depth and 5 bowlers. Link to comment
Adamant Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Also,why do people think that shankar is a proper batsman?I have seen no signs of that and he isnt dynamic enough to play at 6 or 7.Pandya is a better bowler,shankars dibbly dobbly can be effective in seaming conditions but when the wicket goes flat this guy will get decimated. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, sandeep said: Rahane insisted on playing Kuldeep and won the deciding test against Aus. he himself is struggling for his own place Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 What happ to gurbani - his kind of bowler wud be very handy in england and he had a habbit of picking wkts in bunch Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 We still arent that experimental to take someone like chahar only for England, WI, NZ conditions .....our team still sticks to old formulas so if he does well in england they ll also carry him to australia where he ll be carted Link to comment
sandeep Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: he himself is struggling for his own place Class is class. If you over-emphasize numbers and the wrong ones, that's how you end up dropping Pujara for Dhawan. In England. Link to comment
sandeep Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: We still arent that experimental to take someone like chahar only for England, WI, NZ conditions .....our team still sticks to old formulas so if he does well in england they ll also carry him to australia where he ll be carted You've got Sam Curran on the brain, and see him in Chahar. How many 4 day and 5 day games has Chahar played. How much experience and variation has he demonstrated in the longer format? Post injury comeback, he clearly modeled his priority on the shorter format, prioritizing maximum pace for short spells. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 minute ago, sandeep said: Class is class. If you over-emphasize numbers and the wrong ones, that's how you end up dropping Pujara for Dhawan. In England. ohh i back him i still do, still feel his best is yet to come but as far captaincy goes....at this point his struggle as player is a problem in that path Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, sandeep said: You've got Sam Curran on the brain, and see him in Chahar. Nope i have seen Bk n PK do well in England and then there is philander in the list as well. Deepak pace is higher then curran , curran ends up around 125-130, Chahar can go till 140 in short spells Quote How many 4 day and 5 day games has Chahar played. How much experience and variation has he demonstrated in the longer format? he has played 45 Fc games which is a good number , he burst into limelight with this spell in red ball cricket Quote Post injury comeback, he clearly modeled his priority on the shorter format, prioritizing maximum pace for short spells. Still one year to go, tell him play one domestic season and it shud be enough. Modeled his priorities in young age ?? Dont think so ...he knew he had to increase pace or else he had no chance like Sandeep sharma. If that was the case he wud have stopped playing red ball domestic like rayudu did last year and even dhawan (who later had to go back to it). Its selector who tell them what format they consider them for, Someone like adil rashid priortozed white ball cricket but his board told him that he ll be selected for India series coz how he was getting kohli out. Edited July 10, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, sandeep said: How much experience and variation has he demonstrated in the longer format? he has shown enough in white ball how he swings them both ways , now red ball swings for long period specially dukes Link to comment
sandeep Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Still one year to go, tell him play one domestic season and it shud be enough. So basically no recent FC experience or track record to go by, but you want to pick him for your starting XI. After he "plays one season". Kuch bhi. btw that video is from 10 years ago, and he's a completely different bowler, with a different action. Edited July 10, 2020 by sandeep Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Gollum said: If I have to pick a XI now, I will go with (horses for courses): Gill Mayank Pujara Kohli (c) Vihari Pant (wk) Shankar Bhuvi Deepak Chahar Ishant Bumrah No flashy opener, Gill plays late and Mayank has patience. Pujara guaranteed starter in all 5 tests no matter what, give him the assurance before itself and ask him to play his natural game. Shankar and Vihari can combine to fill 10-15 overs/day. No need of specialist spinner (curators will doctor pitches to eliminate threat of spin) and Shankar on a cold, overcast day will surprise many with the ball because he bowls at the right pace and has decent control...moreover ball has to do just enough to beat the edge, exaggerated movement is good for viewers but not wicket taking. 2 out and out swing bowlers in Bhuvi/Chahar who also increase our batting depth. No Shami cos he hasn't done well in Eng and please God no Umesh. If Gill opens in Australia then he may open but tbh I guess he will play at no 5 instead of Rahane who is beyond finished. I'll keep Shankar in the mix instead of Pandya. Deepak Chahar is a must in Eng invaluable bowler to have in those conditions may win us the series actually coz swing bowler is a must in England. Bhuvi- the trundler & blunt spearhead, the injury man needs to be not even near the test side. Hearing Kuldeep is trying to increase his pace these days, so we should take him to Australia to see how he goes. Gill, Mayank Shaw, Pujara all play square cuts so they are a must in Playing XI. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, sandeep said: So basically no recent FC experience or track record to go by, but you want to pick him for your starting XI. After he "plays one season". he played his last Fc game in 2019 so how not recent, he cant play a lot of domestic coz he is constantly a part of india n India -A squad. As if he is old or hasnt played red ball cricket in 5 years ....we picked rohit sharma as test opener when that guy hasnt played domestic red ball in ages. One season is more then enough and if needed there are A tours Nowhere did i picked starting XI , i said in squad . I dont pick starting XI a year before its pointless Quote Kuch bhi. btw that video is from 10 years ago, and he's a completely different bowler, with a different action. and has he lost the swing? he still swings the ball quite big . If anything he is a much much better bowler now Edited July 10, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
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