What should Indian team do to win next England tour ?

[sandeep]

You are Cricket forum version of mulo, keep arguing till the  cows keel over and die from hearing exhaustion, so I'm going to call it an end here.  But advocating Chahar in a test squad is silly.  He's got a lot to prove and a long way to go, before that happens.

 

Why stop there, why don't you push for Pintu Parcha for the next T20 WC.  He's got those unorthodox six hitting skills.

Edited July 10, 2020 by sandeep

[SK_IH]

India has always been a mediocre side overseas and even with all the evolution, it still remains a pedestrian team overseas in tests as results have shown. It needs a lot to go right for India and a lot to go wrong for the opposition for India to be victorious overseas.  If you see India's  history, we have mostly eeked out series win with a solitary win in a series.

So, it's not easy to list out factors for getting better. 

[maniac]

We have too many one dimensional players.

 

Look at even the WI team, they have 4 fast bowlers including a competent test allrounder not a bits and pieces LOI hack and a spinner who can bat. 
 

Even though we have 5 very good pace bowlers and none of them can hold the bat to save their lives bar Bhuvi who is the weakest of the lot. Our spinners though can bat be it Ash or Jadeja or even Kuldeep who can hold one end up.

 

 

[Ajju]

Get Dhoni into test squad as he has more success in odi these days

[Suhaan]

Kohli the captain cant differentiate between conditions,he will always start with Umesh and end up loosing ,by the time he realises his true worth in alien conditions we will be trailing 2-0 , don't know about Deepak Chahar 

Chahar barely plays red ball cricket

Edited July 11, 2020 by Suhaan

[Stan AF]

This thread brought back some unhappy memories and I had to watch this knock for some peace. The precious Indian school of batting (ISB)has dropped in standards.

 

 

Smacking Adil Rashid for 19 runs including a 6 over his head is how Indian batsmen used to treat spinners.

Edited July 11, 2020 by Stan AF

[Vickydev]

Pick horses for courses. Reputation needs to be chucked aside. Domestic cricket provides batsman with enough green mambas, pick players who are doing well there. The current England batting is ordinary, if we bat decent we win.

[Clarke]

So many of us scratching our heads here and business is bound to continue as usual.

 

Kaptaan will choose odi bats like Rohit for opening,

Dhawan will be busy goofing and thigh thumping while claiming that losses are hurting,

Kaptaan will put pressure on Pujara for SR and he will choke

Rahane will score a fifty & continue to be miserable in 9 other innings,

Ashwin will try his 745 variations and still be outbowled by Moeen,

phaashht bowlers will pick wickets although not as effectively as conditions allow

bevda will continue to be talli during match and advertise other drinks & booze outside of it.

[Sandeep99]

Maybe carry some good test batters and discard has beens like Rahane, Rohit and Pujara (by then)

[zen]

Let the team start off by being competitive, which can be achieved with any 11 that we field 

[Sooda]

FAILURE TO PREPARE IS PREPARING TO FAIL

 

Make sure there is little to no limited overs cricket in the preceding months so players are fresh. Have a 3 week intense training camp immediately before , hone skills including judgement outside off, lengths to bowl etc, have at least two 4 day first class matches before the first test. 

[LordPrabhzy]

On 7/10/2020 at 1:58 PM, Norman said:

A random fact ....

 

We haven't won a series in England since the arrival of IPL. 

 

Perhaps a change in mentality for the batsmen. 

yes because as always the england series is right after this tatti cup and leaves no room in the calendar for 2/3 warm up games with english first class teams. When you have no acclimatisation for the tour you are always bound to get thrashed.

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

Take a huge squad , play some intera squad matches and pick final squad thats what australia did and currently pakistan is doing

[Deleted_User_1]

As long as Bewda is in the team with Kulli the kaptaan, NOTHHHINGGG will change.

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 7/10/2020 at 1:27 AM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

I wont get into form n fitness of current squad as who knws about that aspect next year. Anyone can get unfit any time. Anyone can strike purple patch or hit rock bottom anytime. But things that can be kept in mind. 

 

• Stop carrying 3 spinners in england, rather take 6 fast bowlers. 
• Carry someone like vijay shankar who is a solid bat and his dibbly dobblies can be lethal on a soggy day. 
• End this nonsense of taking umesh yadav on home series numbers
• Take someone like deepak chahar- swings the ball, puts it in right area and can bat as well. Ill honestly take him over saini, siraj in england.

 

• Siraj definitely now , chahar still wud a great option another guy who adds batting depth 

 

On 7/10/2020 at 1:27 AM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

• Look at ankit rajpoot who bowls a great outswing. 
• Make sure to take Shubhman gill as he plays a lil late which is always good in england  
• Rohit sharma can be the card who can flip any side- He is another guy who plays late and i havent seen him in that much trouble against anderson also archer and wood are kind of bowler he wud enjoy . But but but duke balls , english weather and woakes, broad, curran can be his nemsis . 

 

 

 

Points remains same 

 

• Take Thakur for sure - very good outswing plus adds batting depth
• 3rd opener is a concern 
• Start prep KS bharat 

 

to beat england in england batting depth wud the key as ball moves a lot and can get even a set batsman out anytime, unlike Australian wkts which are true for batting 

[Nikhil_cric]

Playing the ball late and right under the eyes is absolutely crucial in most SENA countries. Our batsmen are always looking to come forward and that won't work considering the swing and seam on offer in England. Unless its pitched up , nothing should be played with weight going forward. Unfortunately,  shastri , kohli are both dumb and stubborn when it comes to this. So expect batting failures as usual .

 

 

Bowling plans have to be spot on as well. Are we playing a couple of practice games at least? Also we need our best XI fit for the first test. Cant afford to have injuries in IPL etc. Winning the first test is absolutely  crucial over there. 

[putrevus]

Stop playing bits and pieces players like Stuart binny and Pandya will be the first step in winning the series.

[Ankit_sharma03]

^^^^^^

 

Binny saved a test in england with his batting

Pandya won a test in england with his bowling and recently was our best batsman in LOI 

 

FYi - india has only won 2 test in last 2 england tour binny played in one and pandya in other

 

 

 

 

Kutte ki dum kabhi nahin.....hahaha 

Edited January 20, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03

[Prabhdeep Singh]

Should go with 5 bowlers, the concept of playing 7 batsmen with 4 bowlers in overseas tests is outdated. There is a ? mark regarding the fitness of some of the bowlers.

 

Following line up should work:

 

R Sharma

C Pujara

S Gill

V Kohli

A Rahane

R Pant

R Jadeja/H Pandya

R Ashwin

B Kumar/I Sharma

M Shami

J Bumrah

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Prabhdeep Singh said:

Should go with 5 bowlers, the concept of playing 7 batsmen with 4 bowlers in overseas tests is outdated. There is a ? mark regarding the fitness of some of the bowlers.

 

Following line up should work:

 

R Sharma

C Pujara

S Gill

V Kohli

A Rahane

R Pant

R Jadeja/H Pandya

R Ashwin

B Kumar/I Sharma

M Shami

J Bumrah

 

 

 

BK shudnt be even a question in england, it shud be Shami vs Ishant