Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 “When MS Dhoni finished [his captaincy stint], he hasn’t given enough quality players to Virat Kohli, apart from Virat Kohli himself and Rohit Sharma, or Jasprit Bumrah now. There are not too many world-beaters or probably people who win you tournaments,” Gambhir was quoted as saying by ESPNcricinfo. “But look at what Sourav Ganguly gave to Indian cricket: Yuvraj Singh, Man of the Series in two World Cups [Yuvraj was only Man of the Series in the 2011 World Cup; Shahid Afridi was Man of the Series in the 2007 World T20], Harbhajan Singh, Zaheer Khan, Virender Sehwag - these kinds of world-beaters,” he added. Ganguly captained India to 21 wins in 49 Tests while winning the NatWest Series in 2002 and making it to the final of the 2003 World Cup. Link - https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/ms-dhoni-didn-t-give-enough-quality-players-to-virat-kohli-like-sourav-ganguly-gave-to-india-gautam-gambhir/story-fcmMl1GSSQ6KEeUNythwDJ.html Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 “When MS Dhoni finished [his captaincy stint], he hasn’t given enough quality players to Virat Kohli, apart from Virat Kohli himself and Rohit Sharma, or Jasprit Bumrah now. There are not too many world-beaters or probably people who win you tournaments,” Gambhir was quoted as saying by ESPNcricinfo. “But look at what Sourav Ganguly gave to Indian cricket: Yuvraj Singh, Man of the Series in two World Cups [Yuvraj was only Man of the Series in the 2011 World Cup; Shahid Afridi was Man of the Series in the 2007 World T20], Harbhajan Singh, Zaheer Khan, Virender Sehwag - these kinds of world-beaters,” he added. Ganguly captained India to 21 wins in 49 Tests while winning the NatWest Series in 2002 and making it to the final of the 2003 World Cup. Link - https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/ms-dhoni-didn-t-give-enough-quality-players-to-virat-kohli-like-sourav-ganguly-gave-to-india-gautam-gambhir/story-fcmMl1GSSQ6KEeUNythwDJ.html Stan AF and Rightarmfast 1 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) Players ganguly gave to dhoni (in which Dravid captaincy had huge role) Yuvi Zak Bhajji Sehwag Laxman(even though debut under diff captain but found his feet under ganguly) Irfan (somewhat in early part of the career) Nehra (played his part in dhoni' captaincy) Player that dhoni gave to kohli Dhawan Rohit Kohli Rahane Pujara Vijay Hardik Ashwin Jadeja Shami Bhuvi KL (debut under MS, Played and scored 100 at 4 in t20 under MS ....wud have been settled under dhoni but wasnt the case under Kohli) Ishant (debut under diff captain but had massive backing of dhoni in his tough time) Umesh Jadhav ( even he kept playing under kohli, kohli cudnt find his replacement to) Rayudu ( highly avg but still kohli cudnt look beyond him) Deepak chahar ( who is doing well in t20s is also a dhoni's CSK product) What the hell is gambo smoking Edited July 14, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03 Gollum, tweaker and Rasgulla 3 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: There are not too many world-beaters or probably people who win you tournaments Dhoni won CT 2013 with same set of players and many among them werent experienced or at the top of their game then Rasgulla 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 Before kohli also Dhoni gave Gambhir n Raina a permanent spot by removing guys like ganguly and dravid Gautam Gambhir before CB series 2008 Match 37 Runs 1043 Avg. 30.67 Sr 75.14 Gollum 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 Then why did ganguly himself had 13 looses in finals. Dhoni build a new team and won CT 2013 with it Luck is overrated, to win finals u need nerves. Rasgulla, Gollum, Rightarmfast and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 The man talks about how many players dont get credit yet he forgot in between dravid captaincy which played huge role in development of yuvi n dhoni and debut of many young players like raina, sreesanth, Rp singh Gollum 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Before kohli also Dhoni gave Gambhir n Raina a permanent spot by removing guys like ganguly and dravid Gautam Gambhir before CB series 2008 Match 37 Runs 1043 Avg. 30.67 Sr 75.14 Yep, its just sad that Gambhir did not include himself in the list of players Dhoni backed during his captaincy. I don't know what's the tiff between the two but the mind always goes back to 2008 tri series in Aus when Dhoni was absolutely thrilled at Gambhir's 100, a kind of reaction we have not seen from Dhoni often. Ironically first time I saw Dhoni playing, was during a big partnership with Gambhir in Nairobi. Gambhir was big part of Dhoni's plans in LOIs and before that he was irregular in the side. Vilander, Gollum, Rasgulla and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, SK_IH said: Yep, its just sad that Gambhir did not include himself in the list of players Dhoni backed during his captaincy. I don't know what's the tiff between the two but the mind always goes back to 2008 tri series in Aus when Dhoni was absolutely thrilled at Gambhir's 100, a kind of reaction we have not seen from Dhoni often. Ironically first time I saw Dhoni playing, was during a big partnership with Gambhir in Nairobi. Gambhir was big part of Dhoni's plans in LOIs and before that he was irregular in the side. Sad to see guys like bhajji n gambhir so bitter, I expected sehwag to do so but he has been the opposite. Never saw laxman , dravid n kumble being bitter with ganguly. Im sure dhoni as captain wud have also had his problem with these players but he keeps away from saying anything against any of them. SK_IH and Gollum 2 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 I think the more prudent way of putting things would be King Kohli has not backed any young player during his term as captain and instead derailed careers. Four years is a long enough time and he has done zilch in terms of team building. diga and Gollum 2 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, SK_IH said: I think the more prudent way of putting things would be King Kohli has not backed any young player during his term as captain and instead derailed careers. Four years is a long enough time and he has done zilch in terms of team building. yup i cant think of another name apart from Chahal that has had a proper backing of kohli. SK_IH 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said: Sad to see guys like bhajji n gambhir so bitter, I expected sehwag to do so but he has been the opposite. Never saw laxman , dravid n kumble being bitter with ganguly. Im sure dhoni as captain wud have also had his problem with these players but he keeps away from saying anything against any of them. True and you can add Yuvi to the list as well. Only Zak seems to be the sane member of that gang, others are quite delusional. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Players ganguly gave to dhoni (in which Dravid captaincy had huge role) Yuvi Zak Bhajji Sehwag Laxman(even though debut under diff captain but found his feet under ganguly) Irfan (somewhat in early part of the career) Nehra (played his part in dhoni' captaincy) Also ganguly didnt alone had a role in these players growth , Dravid-chappell had massive roles Yuvi - was highly inconsistent and wasted at 6,7 under ganguly till chappell n dravid booted ganguly n made a slot to push yuvi up. Dhoni- Was made to bat all over the order which helped him becoming versatile and good in all situations. Chappell identified him as captain. Irfan- explored his batting Zak- got a kick , went to county and worked hard on his fitness and that when he became what he was. Under ganguly it was a cycle of injury- not proper recovery- comebacks-injury Rasgulla and Gollum 2 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 Also i dont get why its over emphasised that ganguly made players and gave them to future captains, didnt he get high quality players Sachin Dravid Srinath Kumble They are the highest quality of players anyone can get Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 Ganguly with his set of player cudnt win tournament, dhoni did Kohli cudnt win Asia cup with dhoni set of player Rohit won Asia cup, nidhas with Kohli's set of players which he himself cant win a tournament with To win tournament captain needs to control nerves which is what keeps everyone calm, if he cant everyone will panic and hence disaster Forever Indian 1 Link to comment
ravishingravi Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Ok. This has clearly disturbed some. Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 He's not wrong. ganguly had a better eye for talent than MS ever had. Stan AF and Rasgulla 1 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Gambo can sometimes be so bitter. Dhoni had several flaws like any other human but tbh he developed a very good bunch in all formats when he was captain. Kohli's failures are his own doing. Ankit_sharma03 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 People overlook Dravid's captaincy tenure just cos of that WC exit, forgetting our overseas test success and other improvements. It was the Dravid-Chappell duo that actively developed a pace unit to compete overseas perhaps for the first time in Indian cricket history, it was that duo which exorcised our chasing fears by choosing to test ourselves by electing to field first in bilaterals irrespective of conditions. We won the QF and F of 2011 WC chasing, but the seeds were sown in the Dravid/Chappell era. SK_IH and Ankit_sharma03 2 Link to comment
maniac Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) Don’t know if Dhoni ever got to fix his trigger movement but this thread has definitely triggered the Dhoni’s captaincy matters movement on ICF for the time being I shall Edited July 14, 2020 by maniac raki05 and Mosher 2 Link to comment
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