Mariyam Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 On 7/19/2020 at 9:35 PM, Norman said: Most of the so called Arab descendant syeds of the subcontinent are higher caste Hindu converts who didn't want to let go off their prestige and social status. And that's why they took "reputable" surnames like Syed, Khan, Sheikh, Qureshi etc. They're as Arab as Obama is Russian. Khan isn't an Arab surname! Sheikh, in the Indian context, doesn't indicate ancestry. Sheikhs ( or their ancestors) were scholars of Islam. Sayyeds claim descent from prophet Mohammad (PBUH). Many individuals/ dynasties world over have done that to stake claim to power. For instance, it is a prerequisite to be a sayyed to be in contention for the post of Ayatollah in Iran. Not very different, say, from the Yadavs in India, who claim to be descendants of Lord Krishna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Khan isn't an Arab surname! Sheikh, in the Indian context, doesn't indicate ancestry. Sheikhs ( or their ancestors) were scholars of Islam. I just said they took "reputable" surnames. Never indicated any ancestry except for the Syed part. Edited July 21, 2020 by Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, SecondSlip said: Identity Crisis! Pakistani believe that they are Arabs, Turks, Persians and Afghans all combined into one You forgot Mongol and wait for it...... Greek. Gollum and SecondSlip 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Mariyam said: Not very different, say, from the Yadavs in India, who claim to be descendants of Lord Krishna. Totally off. Krishna is a Yadav, but their clan was cursed by Gandhari after Mahabharata war, their power is destroyed with infighting. Their community powerful in modern India, played the discrimination and marginalization card in politics and are in OBCs. Just like Marathas in MH and jaats or gujjars in Haryana are fighting to be in OBCs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: Totally off. Krishna is a Yadav, but their clan was cursed by Gandhari after Mahabharata war, their power is destroyed with infighting. Their community powerful in modern India, played the discrimination and marginalization card in politics and are in OBCs. Just like Marathas in MH and jaats or gujjars in Haryana are fighting to be in OBCs That's tangential, Mariyam's point about Syeds claiming descent from Muhammed, similar to Yadavs claiming clan descent from Krishna, is the opposite of 'totally off'. Sure, the Yadavs do not enjoy the privilege status that Syeds apparently do, but the disparate outcomes do not negate the similar motivations.... coffee_rules and Mariyam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raki05 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 On 7/19/2020 at 1:42 AM, Aiden said: Lol. according to same logic, now all Indians should identify themselves as Muslims since they were ruled by us Muslims & Mughals for a century. Ask your great grand mother how she wast converted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, raki05 said: Ask your great grand mother how she wast converted. Be gentle. You can't blame them - present-day Pakistan was repeatedly raided by marauders from central asia, so much that slaves from 'hind' were cheaper than horses. If changing religion meant escaping rape, murder, slavery, that is not something that you should insult. Gollum and Norman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raki05 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, sandeep said: Be gentle. You can't blame them - present-day Pakistan was repeatedly raided by marauders from central asia, so much that slaves from 'hind' were cheaper than horses. If changing religion meant escaping rape, murder, slavery, that is not something that you should insult. Glad that you clarified what I wanted to convey ,that they were muslim by force and not by choice. But other posters whom I quote had tried to take moral high ground and unnecessarily try to portray as if he is descendent of Babar and came along with them. Norman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, raki05 said: Glad that you clarified what I wanted to convey ,that they were muslim by force and not by choice. But other posters whom I quote had tried to take moral high ground and unnecessarily try to portray as if he is descendent of Babar and came along with them. what do you want them to say? Of course people would rather choose to believe that they are related to 'conquerors' rather the conquered and enslaved. Reality is that most pakjabis have a history of being serfs and bowing down to whichever King and overlord that passes through - whether coming from the Khyber pass to the west, or central India to the east. That is why they are so comfortable being slaves to the PakMil mafia. They aren't a people who understand what 'azadi' means - for them its an empty slogan to be weaponized against Endia. Edited July 21, 2020 by sandeep Laaloo, raki05, Norman and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 hours ago, sandeep said: That's tangential, Mariyam's point about Syeds claiming descent from Muhammed, similar to Yadavs claiming clan descent from Krishna, is the opposite of 'totally off'. Sure, the Yadavs do not enjoy the privilege status that Syeds apparently do, but the disparate outcomes do not negate the similar motivations.... I looked it up, as an analogy the Yadav Rajput Kstariyas in some areas of Rajasthan (some kings/royal family and their clan now) claim to be direct descendents of Krishna in the same manner and claim superiority of races. Yadavs in UP/Bihar probably don't and are categorized as OBCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondSlip Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 10 hours ago, Norman said: You forgot Mongol and wait for it...... Greek. In the next decade, they will claim they are Chinese as well! Norman, Laaloo and Gollum 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, SecondSlip said: In the next decade, they will claim they are Chinese as well! And claim all victories/achievements of Tang dynasty as theirs. Everything apart from Indic roots is halal for them. SecondSlip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 9 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Totally off. Krishna is a Yadav, but their clan was cursed by Gandhari after Mahabharata war, their power is destroyed with infighting. Their community powerful in modern India, played the discrimination and marginalization card in politics and are in OBCs. Just like Marathas in MH and jaats or gujjars in Haryana are fighting to be in OBCs Real Yadavas are still Kshatriyas. Bhatis, Jadauns and Jadejas are some of the Rajput clans who descended from the ancient Vrishini clan to which Lord Krishna belonged to. The people you see using Yadava surname these days are in fact Ahirs (pastoralists) who adopted the title during the early decades of 20th century as part of the Sanskritization process under the influence of Arya Samaj. @Mariyam Mariyam and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Gollum said: And claim all victories/achievements of Tang dynasty as theirs. Everything apart from Indic roots is halal for them. "Mashallah we ruled over the entire Hindustan for thousand years... " - A Julaha from Banaras whose ancestors converted in the late 19th century. Gollum, sergio04, Norman and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandeep99 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Man o man Pakistanis have identity crisis or what! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Thread, lmao Pakistanis and their stupid PM sergio04, Laaloo, PunterLog and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Gollum said: Thread, lmao Pakistanis and their stupid PM Even Indian muslims yearn for Ertugrul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Singh bling said: Even Indian muslims yearn for Ertugrul. Absolutely. We watch it 5 times everyday. Right after offering Namaz. sandeep and Alam_dar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Mariyam said: Absolutely. We watch it 5 times everyday. Right after offering Namaz. While your comment puts the silly gross generalization in its place, you can't deny that the show does have quite a bit of popularity in said market segment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Both reactions during pandemic time . Criticizing Ertugrul has become like blasphemy in India for certain section. Now we find out he was pagan Laaloo and sergio04 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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