India would have defended 277

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Tridibans_16 said:

Our problems in SENA are mostly due to the batting blunders especially in swinging conditions. 

 

Also, our speciality to get opposition 150-6/7 only to let the tail wag and add another 150 runs is another dimension.

 

But yeah, I think we would have defended 277 in England in these conditions.

I think its more of mental problem then swinging .

Post laxman we dont have a 2nd innings specialist 

[Tridibans_16]

Also, all of our wins in SENA are while defending targets above 200 (batting first).

 

Adelaide and MCG in Australia 2018-19

Trentbridge in Eng in 2018

J'Burg in SA in 2017-18

Lords in Eng 2014

Durban in SA 2010

 

P.s- The above are our only wins in SENA in the last decade. A shame really.

 

[Laaloo]

20 minutes ago, WC2011INDIA said:

False bravado.

How is that false bravado? Our bowling attack is pretty good

now if you ask me if india would have chased down 277 I would have said no. Heck we would not have chased anything over 150

[singhprakash72]

Again go back to 2018 tour on one occasion chasing under 200 1st Test we didn't make it and then again under 250 total failed to win in the 4th Test ...so 9 out of 10 times we would have failed to reach 277 in 4th innings in English condition even with Pak bowling.

Edited August 8, 2020 by singhprakash72

[zen]

I guess, we could have made Board and Bess new heros by making Eng chase 300+ 

[Norman]

We would have. Easily. 

[Tridibans_16]

31 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

To be fair to pak fast bowlers they are inexperineced and one of them is raw.

 

Out of this bunch, I expect Shaheen Shah Afridi to be the best and he will be a top line fast bowler in the next decade.

 

Abbas is 1 trick pony as Australia shown us. So in Naseem who has raw pace and bits and pieces if brilliance.

 

The 2000-2010's produced so many "new coming wonders" from Pakiland but almost all disappeared. Shabbir Ahmed, Sami, Umar Gul, Naved Rana, M. Asif (top bloke but disgraced himself), Amir (was slated to be the next Akram)-after his return, only to be a dud who is now out of the test team.

[Tridibans_16]

3 minutes ago, singhprakash72 said:

Again go back to 2018 tour on one occasion chasing under 200 1st Test we didn't make it and then again under 250 total failed to win in the 4th Test ...so 9 out of 10 times we would have failed to reach 277 in 4th innings in English condition even with Pak bowling.

Thread is about India defending not chasing.

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, Tridibans_16 said:

Out of this bunch, I expect Shaheen Shah Afridi to be the best and he will be a top line fast bowler in the next decade.

 

Abbas is 1 trick pony as Australia shown us. So in Naseem who has raw pace and bits and pieces if brilliance.

 

The 2000-2010's produced so many "new coming wonders" from Pakiland but almost all disappeared. Shabbir Ahmed, Sami, Umar Gul, Naved Rana, M. Asif (top bloke but disgraced himself), Amir (was slated to be the next Akram)-after his return, only to be a dud who is now out of the test team.

I think naseem is the best fast bowling talent i hve seen

Disagree on abbas, he gets flak for speed but his strength is his nagging length . In recent times he has struggled but its mostly due to shoulder injury issue which can hamper any bowler even a spinner. He already has done well in UAE, WI kind of place....in places like SA someone like phialnder ruled for years and england is a place for him so he is a bowler ull need in most conditions

 

But apart from these 3 they need a backups which im not sure about. 

Pak currently is in a problem that we were in 2000s a young fast bowlers comes n looses track lets see how these 2 go. 

[Nikola]

But i have trust in our batsman, they would have given eng target of 177 instead of 277.

[Laaloo]

26 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

I remember Ind chasing exactly that score in 2015 against SL and lost by a considerable margin. I have my doubts about defending 277. We almost let Aus chase 315 in Adelaide last time around. I think they scored 290+

We couldn’t chase 208 in England last tour. We also couldn’t chase what 130? In 2015 in SL?

[Gollum]

38 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

I remember Ind chasing exactly that score in 2015 against SL and lost by a considerable margin. I have my doubts about defending 277. We almost let Aus chase 315 in Adelaide last time around. I think they scored 290+

Generally panic sets in 60-70 runs shy of target, so Aussies would have adjusted accordingly 

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, adi B said:

Pakistani bowlers are young and lack stamina from what I could see .

They get flat by the 3rd spell of the day ,that's a massive difference between our Pacers, our lot have stamina till the EOD and Can bowl with the same intensity throughout the day 

Their bowling is certainly over hyped ,its their weaker dept thrse days,Shadab warrants no place in test xi

Shaheen,Naseem are too young

Shaheen disappointed a lot and trundled throughout

Naseem seems to fake his aggression,his bowling is not something which will entice your interest,pak fans run the hype train in supersonic speeds

Edited August 8, 2020 by Suhaan

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, Adi_91 said:

I started following cricket from 2003 and I fail to understand what the hype about their phaasht bowling is all about.

Its a self-serving mythology.

 

Although to be fair, both Naseem and Shaheen are very promising players to have in a team.  Especially a quality tall left-armer.  

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Its a self-serving mythology.

 

Although to be fair, both Naseem and Shaheen are very promising players to have in a team.  Especially a quality tall left-armer.  

A hard ball coming at your head/throat at 90MPH delivered with absolute precision by a world class athlete is not a myth. There is only so much reaction time even the most skilled and trained human eye can handle.

[sandeep]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

A hard ball coming at your head/throat at 90MPH delivered with absolute precision by a world class athlete is not a myth. There is only so much reaction time even the most skilled and trained human eye can handle.

What is a myth, is the fact that Mohammed Amir's test average was in the mid30s post his comeback.  And after losing the druggie matchfixer Asif, Pakistani phast bowling was rank pedestrian for almost the entire decade, especially in test cricket.  1 or 2 years or season could be an aberration, not an entire decade. 

[maniac]

8 minutes ago, sandeep said:

What is a myth, is the fact that Mohammed Amir's test average was in the mid30s post his comeback.  And after losing the druggie matchfixer Asif, Pakistani phast bowling was rank pedestrian for almost the entire decade, especially in test cricket.  1 or 2 years or season could be an aberration, not an entire decade. 

Both were never 90mph bowlers. I was referring to the fact about the myth of having real fast bowlers is not really an advantage.

[cric_fan]

Say what you want but we would have won. 
 
so much for best phaast bowling attack lol

[sandeep]

38 minutes ago, maniac said:

Both were never 90mph bowlers. I was referring to the fact about the myth of having real fast bowlers is not really an advantage.

I don't care about the speedgun numbers game.

[neel roy]

3 hours ago, adi B said:

No doubt about that ,when did India last let a team chase 225+? 

I dont remember any in the last couple of decade l

Posted already in other thread:

 

I think India as per my knowledge has not lost any match where opponent had to score more than 250 in last innings for more than 35 years.. i think if my memory serves right the only 200 plus chase against India in 4 th innings was by South Africa in 2007 final test ( Dada comeback series). Other tests where Opponents won against India chasing a decent score was South Africa ( Boucher) in 2001/2 (tendulkars last test series as captain) 160 odd and NZ in the famous souped up pitch series of 2002 (again 160 odd). The only time India came close to losing a match while giving a decent 4 th innings chase to an opponent was the Joberg test where Faf du plessis nearly pulled it off chasing 400+ .. and the Adelaide test last year..

Edited August 8, 2020 by neel roy