Lil Early to Say but this England side are showing Flashes of the Dominant Australian side

[Ankit_sharma03]

40 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

The fact that they don't have the mental fortitude or the versatility of the Australia team itself destroys your idea of them showing "flashes" because England can neither play attacking cricket in that situation nor are all those runaway match winners of any use on wickets that don't suit them. 

No one has the mental strength of that aussie n WI side which is why the word flashes not reincarnation 

40 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

Which is a debate for another topic but on that night, neither did Stokes come up with another plan nor did England.

u really think they wudnt have , everything looks brainless sitting outside when execution fails

ppl thinks its halwa to nail yorkers specially with wet ball 

40 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

We wouldn't know if Stokes would've been able to execute them or not because Stokes didn't even try and neither did England. The fact that they couldn't come up with another plan is a mental block on their part which separates them from teams like peak Australia.

yea he didnt try and gave up match easily, ur srsly saying that about stokes a world class player not trying in tough situation or he doesnt knw what variation is ?

Only if its that easy doing archer, bumrah n stokes job day in day out...there wud have been plenty of them 

 

When u cant execute no plans matter, u can put field off side but if someone like umesh bowls on leg side no captain can do jack ****

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Disagree regarding Gill being better than Hales.

 

Hales is even better than Banton. Hales can only blame himself for his troublesome career now.

let gill n banton evolve then ill see where they stand in place of hales . Gill n banton are special players 

[Suhaan]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

but doesnt make him good in death, ishant umesh are proper bowler who lacks skills in death 

every failure is not choke

one team will loose 

yes thats a choke, coz they wud normally not get out like that specially kohli but stokes normally also isnt that good in death ...he has improved a lot but still isnt that good 

bad day is choking  

 

Choking is when u dnt play to ur ability to nerveousness 

When someone ability isnt that good how is it choking, obv one team will win one will loose

 

When an archer or a bumrah chokes like that u can call choking not stokes or pandya coz death bowling isnt their skill. What bang did was chocking coz it was just 2 runs and any batsman can do it but it was brain fade

and u label someone choker when they do it again n again not juts once occasion 

Laugh as much as you like,i didn't say bad days are chokes actually,you kept on shifting your narrative ,Stokes and Pandya aren't part timers nor are they immune to criticizm when they bowl crap just because they bat

You see Pandya bowled a wide delivery to fool BD batsmen ,what did Stokes do?He had more runs to play with ,but he had a nervous breakdown

This is choking

[Straight Drive]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

let gill n banton evolve then ill see where they stand in place of hales . Gill n banton are special players 

Yeah, have to wait to see if Gill can achieve as much as Hales did or turns out to be better. At this point it's ridiculous to compare those two. Only time will tell.

Edited September 13, 2020 by Straight Drive

[Stan AF]

Yeah, what the hell actually happened to Alex Hales?. Mymemory is kinda vague on this.

[speedheat]

13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

bad day is choking  

Sorry to interrupt in the middle, @Suhaan didn't say  bad day= choking.

Carry on with your debate. Good day.

[Suhaan]

2 minutes ago, speedheat said:

Sorry to interrupt in the middle, @Suhaan didn't say  bad day= choking.

Carry on with your debate. Good day.

Yeah i said ,but based on his opinion,i edited it

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

No one has the mental strength of that aussie n WI side which is why the word flashes not reincarnation 

First you put asterisk on those "flashes" by only mentioning selected points, now you're putting asterisk on top of those asterisk by putting condition on top of those.

They play attacking cricket (but only on pitches that suit them). 

They have runaway match winners (that capitulate under pressure). 

Stupid comparison and stupid thread.

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

u really think they wudnt have , everything looks brainless sitting outside when execution fails

ppl thinks its halwa to nail yorkers specially with wet ball 

Yorker, yorker, yorker. That's the only ball that's allowed to bowl in cricket, right? Everything else is illegal. He had no choice but to bowl yorkers otherwise ICC would've suspended him and his team for a year.

B.S. Stokes tried 2 yorkers and they both went for sixes. They didn't work both times so he did exactly what the definition of insanity is by doing the same thing again and again expecting it to work.

11 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yea he didnt try and gave up match easily

He didn't try to bowl any other type of delivery. There are other deliveries he could've gone for but he went for the delivery that failed him two times.

This isn't about his execution, as much as you want to make it to be. It was about not being able to think straight under pressure. Yorker didn't work? Go for wide yorker, bouncer, slower ball. No, he went for the yorker again. Not once but twice. That's choking. Choking both by Stokes and by England because not one of them could think of a better plan.

[Ankit_sharma03]

13 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Laugh as much as you like,i didn't say bad days are chokes actually,you kept on shifting your narrative ,Stokes and Pandya aren't part timers nor are they immune to criticizm when they bowl crap just because they bat

You see Pandya bowled a wide delivery to fool BD batsmen ,what did Stokes do?He had more runs to play with ,but he had a nervous breakdown

This is choking

Carlos wud have smoked that also his reach is far more then bangladesh players. 

That banglore surface was dodgy unlike kolkata final surface that was flat. 

 

Who said they are part timers but they arent death specialist which starc, bumrah, archer are. 

[Straight Drive]

9 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Yeah, what the hell actually happened to Alex Hales?. Mymemory is kinda vague on this.

Eoin Morgan has dealt a potentially fatal blow to Alex Hales' hopes of an England recall, after making it clear he has not yet been forgiven for putting last summer's World Cup campaign at risk with the timing of his drugs ban

 

Hales, 31, was jettisoned from England's plans on the eve of the World Cup in May last year, after The Guardian revealed that he had failed two tests for recreational drugs, the second of which had triggered a 21-day ban.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

First you put asterisk on those "flashes" by only mentioning selected points, now you're putting asterisk on top of those asterisk by putting condition on top of those.

They play attacking cricket (but only on pitches that suit them). 

Aus tracks are patta do they

Indian tracks are patta do they 

Sa tracks are absolute patta do they

 

Cant help if u wanna read something i havent written

1 minute ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

They have runaway match winners (that capitulate under pressure). 

Clearly ur forgetting they jst won a wc

1 minute ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

Stupid comparison and stupid thread.

Yorker, yorker, yorker. That's the only ball that's allowed to bowl in cricket, right? Everything else is illegal. He had no choice but to bowl yorkers otherwise ICC would've suspended him and his team for a year.

Try with a wet ball what u want to and see what comes out of hand...with a wet ball cutter is even harder 

1 minute ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

B.S. Stokes tried 2 yorkers and they both went for sixes. They didn't work both times so he did exactly what the definition of insanity is by doing the same thing again and again expecting it to work.

Execution failure but he isnt a master if it

1 minute ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

He didn't try to bowl any other type of delivery. There are other deliveries he could've gone for but he went for the delivery that failed him two times.

Yea again try with wet valk what ever u want to coz the ball slips

1 minute ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

This isn't about his execution, as much as you want to make it to be. It was about not being able to think straight under pressure. Yorker didn't work? Go for wide yorker, bouncer, slower ball. No, he went for the yorker again. Not once but twice. That's choking. Choking both by Stokes and by England because not one of them could think of a better plan.

Cricket at the end is all about execution, everyone is smart enough to know what to do. If arm chair experts knws what to do then those guys knw better

[Suhaan]

9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Carlos wud have smoked that also his reach is far more then bangladesh players. 

That banglore surface was dodgy unlike kolkata final surface that was flat. 

 

Who said they are part timers but they arent death specialist which starc, bumrah, archer are. 

Listen those weren't proper yorkers even,

You must go through what is a proper yorker

Few of them were half vollies,one was leg side hit me dolly,you call it bad day

5 consecutive crap deliveries from a regular bowler(yes a regular bowler),he wasn't bowling to ABD,it was Braithwaite, remember? people have forgotten him after that night

As if he didn't know he had to deal with wet ball,yeah he had a bad day....period

Edited September 13, 2020 by Suhaan

[Straight Drive]

If Morgan is willing to forget Hales mistake then

 

Bairstow

Roy

Hales

Root

Morgan

Buttler

Stokes

....

 

[speedheat]

Ankit is partly correct, it wasn't a choke by english team that day especially the Jordan.

Jordan was stellar in death overs and almost won it for England however stokes got nervous after a first hit choked and  kept on bowling to batsman strength.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Listen those weren't proper yorkers even,

You must go through what is a proper yorker

if they were proper yorker u think those wud have gone for sixes

u think hitting a yorker is easy that to with a wet ball 

 

 

 

here is a class for u , how diff is yorkers these days 

 

3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

5 consecutive crap deliveries from a regular bowler(yes a regular bowler),he wasn't bowling to ABD,it was Braithwaite, remember? people have forgotten him after that night

all attempted yorker with wet ball that lacked execution

Doesnt matter if it was AB, he is a good hitter whom if u ball in slot will get slaughtered 

3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

As if he didn't know he had to deal with wet ball,yeah he had a bad day....period

yea as if players dont knw u have to deal with wet ball and yet get carted in match

happens when u play more video game then watch actually cricket, do watch that video will enhance ur knowledge

Cricket isnt that halwa easy that u thought of yorker and it ll end up as yorker...someone like waqar also missed that margin n got carted by ajay jadeja and 2 yrs ago when bumrah missed it against CSK bravo carted it 

[Ankit_sharma03]

@Suhaan- u knw how hard is it to land a yorker , on days when even bumrah or starc will have some niggle or back issue they wont be able to land yorkers at same consistency and get hit ...wud u call them choke that day . N im talking about guys like starc n bumrah not even stokes who clearly isnt that good at death . Even shami goes for plenty in death despite having good yorker, coz he cant land it consistently

[speedheat]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

if they were proper yorker u think those wud have gone for sixes

u think hitting a yorker is easy that to with a wet ball 

 

 

 

here is a class for u , how diff is yorkers these days 

 

all attempted yorker with wet ball that lacked execution

Doesnt matter if it was AB, he is a good hitter whom if u ball in slot will get slaughtered 

yea as if players dont knw u have to deal with wet ball and yet get carted in match

happens when u play more video game then watch actually cricket, do watch that video will enhance ur knowledge

Cricket isnt that halwa easy that u thought of yorker and it ll end up as yorker...someone like waqar also missed that margin n got carted by ajay jadeja and 2 yrs ago when bumrah missed it against CSK bravo carted it 

Perfectly explained by Nasir.

[Suhaan]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yea as if players dont knw u have to deal with wet ball and yet get carted in match

happens when u play more video game then watch actually cricket, do watch that video will enhance ur knowledge

Cricket isnt that halwa easy that u thought of yorker and it ll end up as yorker...someone like waqar also missed that margin n got carted by ajay jadeja and 2 yrs ago when bumrah missed it against CSK bravo carted it 

He bowled crap, that's what im saying ,these are international bowlers they have been playing these kind if situations day in and day out,they have to deal with it,as someone said Yorkers aren't the only deliveries you bank on ,wide yorkers slowrs ones,

Okay you said, Braithwaite would have lined it up that as well,so does that mean he shouldn't have tried other deliveries

Cricket isn't halwa,but it isn't halwa either for batsmen to come and blast 4 sixes straigtaway

It isn't halwa Offcourse,he choked big time,you won't admit it , doesn't matter

Dont have to follow your recommendation,go through that video,i have sound understanding of the game,lol stop pretending a cricket pundit here,

[Straight Drive]

52 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Aus tracks are patta do they

Indian tracks are patta do they 

Sa tracks are absolute patta do they

 

Cant help if u wanna read something i havent written

Clearly ur forgetting they jst won a wc

Try with a wet ball what u want to and see what comes out of hand...with a wet ball cutter is even harder 

Execution failure but he isnt a master if it

Yea again try with wet valk what ever u want to coz the ball slips

Cricket at the end is all about execution, everyone is smart enough to know what to do. If arm chair experts knws what to do then those guys knw better

This arm chair expert is selectively used. 

One does not needs to be a software engineer to say a particular app or software is bad or not. One does not needs to be an engineer to say the particular car is bad. Similarly one need not be a professional cricketers to say that a cricketer is bad. It's the relative experience that one uses to say that one cricketers is better than other or one product is better than another. Likewise it is not mandatory than only of someone has been a prime minister only then can he or she review performance of a Prime Minister. It does not works like that in real world. Similarly it is easy to distinguish between human  skills, especially if we compare  a specialist bowler with  Ben Stokes bowling. It should not matter whether the critic has any cricket related qualifications. Cricketers too crib in media that this product is good and that is bad. Are they expert in those fields. They just need to be consumers to criticize. They pay for it so they can have a say about what they have paid for. Similar with cricket fans, they don't pay 1000 Rs to watch crap. That's why people pay for international matches and we see less than hundred people watching domestic matches. Cricketers and bollywood people are way too safeguarded about non performance.

Edited September 13, 2020 by Straight Drive

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

He bowled crap, that's what im saying ,these are international bowlers they have been playing these kind if situations day in and day out,they have to deal with it,as someone said Yorkers aren't the only deliveries you bank on ,wide yorkers slowrs ones,

go check NZ vs WI match , he was nailing wide yorkers to coz he is tall and has good reach

and the point is its diff to get control from wet ball 

 

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Okay you said, Braithwaite would have lined it up that as well,so does that mean he shouldn't have tried other deliveries

thats were experience comes 

dont forget by 2016 stokes didnt even play 40 ODI, it wasnt like he was a 100 match pro 

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Cricket isn't halwa,but it isn't halwa either for batsmen to come and blast 4 sixes straigtaway

happens in t20 

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It isn't halwa Offcourse,he choked big time,you won't admit it , doesn't matter

yea coz having a bad day isnt choking 

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Dont have to follow your recommendation,go through that video,i have sound understanding of the game,lol stop pretending a cricket pundit here,

clearly u dnt wanna learn

no wonder u say but he shud have landed yorkers with dew as if it easy 

 

i didnt pretend anything , stop crying now . I see things and learn as compare to you who refuses to learn and live with a limited knowledge 

 

Edited September 13, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03