Indian batsmen must develop sweep and reverse sweep game

[zen]

5 minutes ago, cricketfan28 said:

what about Dhoni and his helicopter?

Not talking about 1 or 2 shots:

 

• Viv Richards - the sultan of high SR batting
• Sanath Jayasuriya - redefined batting in PP
• ABDV - the art of 360 degrees attacking batting
• Pandya - the innovative implementation of hitting 6s as if taking singles 

 

Edited September 12, 2020 by zen

[Gollum]

16 minutes ago, zen said:

After Viv Richards, Sanath Jayasuriya, and ABDV, Pandya is driving new innovation in LOI batting:

 

 

 

Why place the ball for a single when you can place it for a 6

 

Pandya

 

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20.6

Santner to Hardik Pandya, no run, slider on off, punched back by Pandya. Santner makes a sharp diving save to his left

 

20.5

Santner to Hardik Pandya, no run, defended forward yet again, drawn by the flight

 

20.4

Santner to Hardik Pandya, no run, tossed up on off, has Pandya reaching on the forward defence. This is good bowling

 

20.3

Santner to Hardik Pandya, no run, gets this to grip from back of a length. Pandya was on the back foot, so didn't have a lot of trouble in making the adjustment. But this is definitely something to watch out for, considering how much help Jadeja found yesterday

 

20.2

Santner to Hardik Pandya, no run, bit full as it drifts in on off stump, squeezed through to short cover

 

20.1

Santner to Hardik Pandya, no run, flighted up just outside off, Pandya stretches forward and pushes to cover

 

Mitchell Santner, left-arm orthodox, comes into the attack

 

Slip in for Santner who comes on for the first time

24.6

Santner to Hardik Pandya, 1 run, first runs of the bat off Santner - a thick inside edge rolling in front of backward square

 

24.5

Santner to Hardik Pandya, no run, length ball straightening on off, defended down the pitch

 

24.4

Santner to Hardik Pandya, no run, tossed up on off stump, good stride forward from Pandya as he smothers to short cover

 

24.3

Santner to Hardik Pandya, no run, flighted up on off, defended with the turn to point

 

26.2

Santner to Hardik Pandya, 1 run, turns this with the angle through square leg

 

26.1

Santner to Hardik Pandya, no run, length ball pushed through flat, straightens on off stump. Isn't going to be easy to play attacking shots against. Pandya prods forward in defence

 

30.3

Santner to Hardik Pandya, out Caught by Williamson!! Pandya, much like Pant, couldn't hold himself back much longer. But that's just a simplistic explanation actually. Santner has deserved a lot more than that. He's bowled beautifully, giving absolutely nothing away. And all the pressure he's built has added up in this eventual dismissal. After bowling the earlier two deliveries with a flat trajectory, he senses Pandya's restlessness and throws this up in the air. The response is a wild slog-sweep which is skied up off a thick top-edge. Williamson backtracks at midwicket, pouches it, falls on his back, and still has it in control. Brilliant cricket. Looking more and more unlikely for India now. Hardik Pandya c Williamson b Santner 32(62) [4s-2]

 

Santner to Hardik Pandya, THATS OUT!! Caught!!

 

30.2

Santner to Hardik Pandya, no run, length ball with slight purchase just outside off, defended forward

 

30.1

Santner to Hardik Pandya, no run, 93kph, pushes it through the air. Length ball on off stump, Pandya blocks to short cover

 

 

15 balls, 2 runs and out. Santner made him his bitch when it mattered. 

Maybe he should learn some new stuff 

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, Gollum said:

 

 

15 balls, 2 runs and out. Santner made him his bitch when it mattered. 

Maybe he should learn some new stuff 

He has to even rashid has troubled him, quick spinners with good control n quality is something he needs to work on . 

[zen]

26 minutes ago, Gollum said:

 

 

15 balls, 2 runs and out. Santner made him his bitch when it mattered. 

Maybe he should learn some new stuff 

Watch out for Pandya 2.0 

 

 

PS even bowling to him in nets appears like a scary proposition:

 

 

Edited September 12, 2020 by zen

[maniac]

I have seen Dhoni do it in his early career. Watch his famous debut knock or the Srilankan 180+, he played a lot of dil scoops against fast bowlers and reverse sweep.

 

DK is another guy who does that well.

 

The guy who over does it is Ashwin.

 

Among youngsters I have seen Indian fat sarfaraz do it.

 

Also why do Rahul,Rohit and Kohli need to add it when they can smash the ball like they can front of the square.

[Gollum]

6 minutes ago, maniac said:

The guy who over does it is Ashwin.

Right 

6 minutes ago, maniac said:

Also why do Rahul,Rohit and Kohli need to add it when they can smash the ball like they can front of the square.

Not just ODIs and T20s. Useful tool to have even in tests, think of how often we have allowed Lyon/Moeen to get stuck on that nagging line in rough area. 

Anyway incorporating these shots will help batsmen become even better as we see with Poms, gave my pov in OP. Kohli, Rohit are good at what they do but they don't target open spaces square of the wicket like some of their peers...game has changed now. 

[maniac]

^^ correction when I meant debut knock I meant his first famous knock vs Pak at Vizag

[Gollum]

Nair's 300, what a knock it was. Unbelievable shotmaking, full 360...and the way he accelerated, think his final 150 must have come in 100-120 deliveries. Identical balls he had 3 kinds of sweeps and another couple of reverse sweeps....never seen an Indian bat like that. Rashid and Moeen got proper dhulai that day. 

[maniac]

1 minute ago, Gollum said:

Nair's 300, what a knock it was. Unbelievable shotmaking, full 360...and the way he accelerated, think his final 150 must have come in 100-120 deliveries. Identical balls he had 3 kinds of sweeps and another couple of reverse sweeps....never seen an Indian bat like that. Rashid and Moeen got proper dhulai that day. 

One of the biggest Injustices in Indian cricket. 
 

Despite that innings, didn’t  rate Nair highly but if that innings doesn’t get you a long run then you really must have really pissed of someone higher up or it could just be the incompetent selection and team management.

[Gollum]

Rahane's most important innings after 2014 Lord's was 2017 Bengaluru in that great partnership with Che. Employed the sweep shot very well and Lyon went wicketless. Wonder why we don't try more of that.

 

On topic, Cronje dominated Murali once in SL with this combo. And Poms in Pak/SL series wins 20 years back.

 

Look at most of the batters who have done well in India: Hayden, Flower, S Waugh, Cook, Kallis, ABDV, Younis, Dilshan, Mushi, Root. Trend is obvious. Very few like KP, Clarke, Smith, Amla have done well here without either of sweep or reverse sweep. 

Edited September 12, 2020 by Gollum

[Gollum]

8 minutes ago, maniac said:

One of the biggest Injustices in Indian cricket. 
 

Despite that innings, didn’t  rate Nair highly but if that innings doesn’t get you a long run then you really must have really pissed of someone higher up or it could just be the incompetent selection and team management.

Not like he got displaced by a once in a generation talent...it was freaking Rahane who took his place, on SC pitches in 2017!!!!

Edited September 12, 2020 by Gollum

[maniac]

18 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Not like he got displaced by a once in a generation talent...it was freaking Rahane who took his place, on SC pitches in 2017!!!!

These guys systematically go after the voiceless or guys without the machinery behind them.

 

Karun Nair

Rayudu- I know most people hate him here but if you look at it from a neutral perspective he was hard done by.

Jayant Yadav- a 100 and a couple of 4 wicket haul but suddenly disappeared into obscurity. Not even a central contract?

Pant/Saha-does well in Aus and all of a sudden talk about not being good enough and Saha comes back as the best keeper but the best keeper isn’t good enough to keep overseas?

V.Shankar- came out of nowhere, did alright but where is he today?

DK- was always setup to fail. He actually did well in every opportunity he got in T20 but where is he in that format today? 

Even guys of the stature of Pujara,Shami and Bhuvi have suffered due to this dumb regime.

 

Rahane is lucky he is from Mumbai or else he would have been screwed a long time ago when he was actually decent. In fact he was screwed over the moment he showed decent captaincy skills.

 

Something is not right. If things started rotting towards the end of Dhoni’s regime this has become total garbage dump under the axis of evil.

 

 

[velu]

5 minutes ago, maniac said:

Rayudu- I know most people hate him here but if you look at it from a neutral perspective he was hard done by.

 

[prudent_kreeda]

It will be a good tactical advantage if  you have those shots esp when you have only 4 fielders outside the circle  rather than the amount of runs you score esp. for indian batsmen. .  Generally  spinners try to avoid bowl in the hitting zone for big hitters like Pant , Hardik . They try to bowl on one side with 3 fielders on the boundary , 

Eg:-  For Pant , spinners generally bowl  towards his body with the ball drifting further with 3 boundary riders on the on side .

The usual mode of dismissal for him is hole out to these fielders as he is trying to hit every ball to six without accounting for change of pace /drift.

and  he is caught at deep square / mid wicket as he tries to hit in the air and mistimes .

The problem is due to very predictable hitting zone against such bowling and craving to hit every ball to six . 

This is where Switch hit , reverse sweep , controlled sweep will defeat the bowler's plan . At the moment they can pack 3 boundary riders on one side and 1 boundary rider on the other side . 

If he can develop reverse hit , he can start hitting those deliveries anywhere from wide mid off  to deep point with only one boundary rider . This way he will also avoid LBW  and stumping . In between he can also use normal sweep hitting along the ground or even try sweeping fine .

Sooner or later they will have to start bowling more straighter and then he will again get chances to hit big .

Hope someone makes him understand that there are far more runs to be made by hitting boundaries , take 2 runs than tring sixes to be consistent and succeed especially when bowling is defensive.

Same can be applied to Hardik , who seems to be making some adjustments in his stance to counter this . 

With that kind of hitting talent these people only need to develop the counter tactic against the bowlers plan and minimising the risk of getting out .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 12, 2020 by prudent_kreeda

[maniac]

3 minutes ago, velu said:

Dude there is a reason why every ex cricketer be it Gambhir,Yuvi,Raina,PK, Sunny G etc have said he was dropped harshly from the WC team. Unless you think Rayudu is a a drugs kingpin who supplies them with maal with “Biryani” being a code word for it.

[velu]

7 minutes ago, maniac said:

Dude there is a reason why every ex cricketer be it Gambhir,Yuvi,Raina,PK, Sunny G etc have said he was dropped harshly from the WC team. Unless you think Rayudu is a a drugs kingpin who supplies them with maal with “Biryani” being a code word for it.

 

i think only reason he was picked is he supplied yummy biriyani to thala and shastri

[cricketfan28]

6 hours ago, velu said:

 

i think only reason he was picked is he supplied yummy biriyani to thala and shastri

Biryani is good stuff.

[Trichromatic]

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, maniac said:

Also why do Rahul,Rohit and Kohli need to add it when they can smash the ball like they can front of the square.

Rahul already has it and uses it a lot 

Kohli also use reverse paddle sweep

Rohit is the one who i havent seen, but then he yea he doesnt need it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Gollum]

Problem in India is if a kid gets out trying a reverse sweep or switch hit even in a meaningless bilateral, Sunny and other (agenda driven, jealous or stupid) ex-players will come down hard on him. Then SM chewts will pick it up, influencers like Vikrant Gupta will join in and add fuel to the fire, media outlets and PR teams will start their smear campaigns. God knows what the TM will do, may even bench the kid for playing a rash shot. As long as we have a culture that looks down upon mavericks, that scoffs at unorthodox technique, that stifles innovation, we aren't going to see a change in our method....to the detriment of Indian cricket's on-field fortunes. Eng TM gives a lot of liberty to its batsmen to try different tactics, experiment with shotmaking, improvize, and yes sometimes their batting unit has crashed and burned in useless JAMODIs. But they desist from pressing the panic button, take such instances as learning experience and move forward. 

 

In India we have a standard template from mid 2000s and we play by that rule which usually means top 3 superstars will play risk-free, bland cricket and occupy the crease for at least 30 overs to make their average, no risk, no innovation, no fancy shots. And if children of lesser God like Iyer, KLR, Pant and Pandya get out trying to get quick runs, blame shifts to them, even worse if they get out playing what some may call 'irresponsible' shots. Rest of the world has moved ahead, Indian batting is just plain boring now with amazing consistency but low ceiling. In 2000s we used to head the stats column when it came to high scores in ODIs, regular 350+ innings when other teams would aim for 300-320, now top scores table dominated by other countries. Game has changed, two new balls, powerplay rules, fielding restrictions, boundary sizes, new approach by opponents, bowling tactics yada yada.....we have failed to adapt and miserably so. Same is the case with T20s.

Edited September 13, 2020 by Gollum