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From fastest to slowest:

 

Pat Cummins, Waqar Younis, Malcolm Marshall, James Anderson, Wasim Akram, Brett Schultz

 

For me:

 

1. Brett Schultz (fastest)

2. Waqar Younis

3. Pat Cummins

4. James Anderson

5. Malcolm Marshall

6. Wasim Akram (slowest)

 

I always felt Jimmy Anderson is underrated for his pace, he cranks up 142 kph nearing 40 years, not seen from Marshall or Akram though they are far superior bowlers.

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1 hour ago, Adamant said:

Waqar Younis

Marshall=Cummins

Schultz

Wasim

Anderson

 

Schultz was no speed demon,I don't get why you put him above Younis.

Wasim at his peak was much faster than Anderson ever was.

A 39 year old Anderson still hits 140k’s in a test match comfortably. We tend to over rate the Pakistani speeds based on their fan’s hype.

 

Wasim no doubt was a maestro When it came to skills  but never a 150k bowler even at his absolute peak. He might have hit a few deliveries here and there though but I will say on an average I am sure Ishant and Umesh have had more spells where they were hitting 150ks in Australia but obviously he they are indians so must be trundlers.

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2 hours ago, maniac said:

A 39 year old Anderson still hits 140k’s in a test match comfortably. We tend to over rate the Pakistani speeds based on their fan’s hype.

 

Wasim no doubt was a maestro When it came to skills  but never a 150k bowler even at his absolute peak. He might have hit a few deliveries here and there though but I will say on an average I am sure Ishant and Umesh have had more spells where they were hitting 150ks in Australia but obviously he they are indians so must be trundlers.

Malcolm Marshall too gets overrated for his speed, I'd say he was as quick as Makhaya Ntini at best, quick but not too quick. I won't deny he's the greatest bowler of all time though.

 

Anderson? Just look at him, not a trace of fat on his body, full of lean muscle and athletic. Marshall reitred by 33 and had lost a lot of pace but Anderson still bowls at 88-89 mph at 39 years old.

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3 hours ago, Adamant said:

Waqar Younis

Marshall=Cummins

Schultz

Wasim

Anderson

 

Schultz was no speed demon,I don't get why you put him above Younis.

Wasim at his peak was much faster than Anderson ever was.

Schultz was quicker than Donald at his peak, this is when India toured SA in 1992.

 

Anderson at his fastest was hitting 95 mph in 2003, even quicker than Wasim. besides Anderson has a side on action which makes bowling fast easier compared to front on actions from Wasim and Marshall.

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15 hours ago, MechEng said:

Schultz was quicker than Donald at his peak, this is when India toured SA in 1992.

 

Anderson at his fastest was hitting 95 mph in 2003, even quicker than Wasim. besides Anderson has a side on action which makes bowling fast easier compared to front on actions from Wasim and Marshall.

Wasim was side on

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On 9/12/2020 at 9:13 PM, Adamant said:

Waqar Younis

Marshall=Cummins

Schultz

Wasim

Anderson

 

Schultz was no speed demon,I don't get why you put him above Younis.

Wasim at his peak was much faster than Anderson ever was.

Yeah. He wasn't that express at all.

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On 9/13/2020 at 12:44 AM, MechEng said:

Schultz was quicker than Donald at his peak, this is when India toured SA in 1992.

 

Anderson at his fastest was hitting 95 mph in 2003, even quicker than Wasim. besides Anderson has a side on action which makes bowling fast easier compared to front on actions from Wasim and Marshall.

Anderson at best hit 91-92 mph that is about 146-147. Akram had side on action but he was a skiddy bowler. While Jofra Archer and Mitch Starc both have hit 95 mph with front on action.

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On 9/13/2020 at 12:37 AM, MechEng said:

Malcolm Marshall too gets overrated for his speed, I'd say he was as quick as Makhaya Ntini at best, quick but not too quick. I won't deny he's the greatest bowler of all time though.

 

Anderson? Just look at him, not a trace of fat on his body, full of lean muscle and athletic. Marshall reitred by 33 and had lost a lot of pace but Anderson still bowls at 88-89 mph at 39 years old.

Ntini too has bowled up to 149.

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What you need to clarify is, who were the fastest for what duration? Are you rating bowlers based on their peak period which may even be as small as 6 months? Or entire career? If it is entire career, then the rating would be -

 

Malcolm Marshall ( although, cannot be proven)

Cummins

Waqar, Wasim ( they were both fast medium for a majority of their career, with waseem ranging from medium fast to fm )

James anderson

 

Cant rate schultz. He never made headlines for his pace alone, so I am not sure why his name is figuring here in this discussion.

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2 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

What you need to clarify is, who were the fastest for what duration? Are you rating bowlers based on their peak period which may even be as small as 6 months? Or entire career? If it is entire career, then the rating would be -

 

Malcolm Marshall ( although, cannot be proven)

Cummins

Waqar, Wasim ( they were both fast medium for a majority of their career, with waseem ranging from medium fast to fm )

James anderson

 

Cant rate schultz. He never made headlines for his pace alone, so I am not sure why his name is figuring here in this discussion.

I'd say Marshall was realistically around Sreesanth speeds in 85-87 mph range, but he was skiddy and a very intelligent complete fast bowler. Marshall was probably a skiddier right hand version of Wasim Akram.

 

Jimmie Anderson is still bowling in 88-89 mph range even today. Though he is a legit all time great and far fitter than any fast bowler in the history of the game, he doesn't have the aura of Marshall/Steyn/Akram.

 

Schultz was a left hand version of Shoaib Akhtar literally!!! If you mirror image a Shoaib Akhtar youtube spell, it would look like Schultz bowling!

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3 hours ago, MechEng said:

I'd say Marshall was realistically around Sreesanth speeds in 85-87 mph range, but he was skiddy and a very intelligent complete fast bowler. Marshall was probably a skiddier right hand version of Wasim Akram.

 

Jimmie Anderson is still bowling in 88-89 mph range even today. Though he is a legit all time great and far fitter than any fast bowler in the history of the game, he doesn't have the aura of Marshall/Steyn/Akram.

 

Schultz was a left hand version of Shoaib Akhtar literally!!! If you mirror image a Shoaib Akhtar youtube spell, it would look like Schultz bowling!

Only that Schultz wasn't as quick as Shoaib. Regarding Marshall, he was more like Steyn.

 

 

Video of Schultz from 1993. Doesn't look even close to Mitch Johnson.

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3 hours ago, MechEng said:

I'd say Marshall was realistically around Sreesanth speeds in 85-87 mph range, but he was skiddy and a very intelligent complete fast bowler. Marshall was probably a skiddier right hand version of Wasim Akram.

 

Jimmie Anderson is still bowling in 88-89 mph range even today. Though he is a legit all time great and far fitter than any fast bowler in the history of the game, he doesn't have the aura of Marshall/Steyn/Akram.

 

Schultz was a left hand version of Shoaib Akhtar literally!!! If you mirror image a Shoaib Akhtar youtube spell, it would look like Schultz bowling!

MIrror image of Shoaib is a bit much. Anderson has never been quick. Only fast medium. On a personal note, he is not an all time great. I find him mediocre. 

Legit all time greats from this list are Marshall, Waqar and Wasim. None of them had pace of Shoaib or Brett Lee. Waqar during 89-92 was fast. I would say around 150-153/155ish at times. Marshall is debatable. But I would go with rkt about Steyn and Marshall.

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1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said:

@Suhaan bro, what do you remember of Brett Schultz in terms of pace? And whats your take on waqar's pace spanning his entire career?

 

@Tattieboy Do you remember Schultz? 

To be honest i haven't seen Schultz,maybe have seen but don't remember,i have heard of him here and based on YouTube videos he doesn't looks to me a tearaway fast bowler,i find Ntini,Hayward and Steyn faster than him even Klusener when he first came was extremely quick but Schultz doesn't look that quick to naked eye

Well Waqar was hyped as one of the quickest bowler at the time when i started watching cricket,i used to hear people say he is so quick that he breaks stumps in every series :phehe:(As if it had anything to do with express pace)that he plays,his peak fastest years i have not seen on tv,from 1996 to 2003 i remember our own Srinath looked quicker than those two W's and was proved so in wC 99 where he was just behind Akhtar leapfrogging so called fast men Donald,Waqar, Klusener,Elworthy etc

Waqar was express for a brief period which i have not seen,what i have seen was a fast medium to medium fast version,iirc Wasim bowled quicker than Waqar in their last WC 2003

 

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1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

To be honest i haven't seen Schultz,maybe have seen but don't remember,i have heard of him here and based on YouTube videos he doesn't looks to me a tearaway fast bowler,i find Ntini,Hayward and Steyn faster than him even Klusener when he first came was extremely quick but Schultz doesn't look that quick to naked eye

Well Waqar was hyped as one of the quickest bowler at the time when i started watching cricket,i used to hear people say he is so quick that he breaks stumps in every series :phehe:(As if it had anything to do with express pace)that he plays,his peak fastest years i have not seen on tv,from 1996 to 2003 i remember our own Srinath looked quicker than those two W's and was proved so in wC 99 where he was just behind Akhtar leapfrogging so called fast men Donald,Waqar, Klusener,Elworthy etc

Waqar was express for a brief period which i have not seen,what i have seen was a fast medium to medium fast version,iirc Wasim bowled quicker than Waqar in their last WC 2003

 

Waqar at his peak between 89-94 was quick then lost pace due to back issues.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Waqar at his peak between 89-94 was quick then lost pace due to back issues.

 

 

 

Yes as i said this is before 1996,as much as i have seen him on tv he wasn't the Waqar of early 90s(i started developing interest for cricket from WC96)

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6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Waqar at his peak between 89-94 was quick then lost pace due to back issues.

 

 

 

Already mentioned Waqar was quick to the range of 150's till 93. However the video isnt indicative of that. Most deliveries are nasty because of the bounce. 

 

Also, judging a bowler by a few videos is a bit amateurish! 

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2 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Already mentioned Waqar was quick to the range of 150's till 93. However the video isnt indicative of that. Most deliveries are nasty because of the bounce. 

 

Also, judging a bowler by a few videos is a bit amateurish! 

Brother,this looks a young Waqar

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10 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

MIrror image of Shoaib is a bit much. Anderson has never been quick. Only fast medium. On a personal note, he is not an all time great. I find him mediocre. 

Legit all time greats from this list are Marshall, Waqar and Wasim. None of them had pace of Shoaib or Brett Lee. Waqar during 89-92 was fast. I would say around 150-153/155ish at times. Marshall is debatable. But I would go with rkt about Steyn and Marshall.

 

10 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Only that Schultz wasn't as quick as Shoaib. Regarding Marshall, he was more like Steyn.

 

 

Video of Schultz from 1993. Doesn't look even close to Mitch Johnson.

 

 

 

Schultz was a beast!

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5 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

It does. It's the downward component of velocity that the speed gun doesnt measure. Bowlers get steeper  bounce and rush the batsman more. 

Bounce doesn't rush the batsman. Pace does. You still need pace. Jacob Oram never hurried batsmen despite his bounce, neither Pollard who both are giants. And all bowlers lose pace once ball bit the pitch.

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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Bounce doesn't rush the batsman. Pace does. You still need pace. Jacob Oram never hurried batsmen despite his bounce, neither Pollard who both are giants. And all bowlers lose pace once ball bit the pitch.

Cmon dude. Oram was too slow and so was Pollard. Dont bring their name ;p

In my opinion though, a sharpish bouncy delivery is scary as hell for batsmen. I mean, even Agarkar bowling at 140-142 used to put batsmen in trouble when he would bounce the ball. I think anything around and above 137k's, which has steep or unexpected bounce is tough to handle.

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1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said:

Cmon dude. Oram was too slow and so was Pollard. Dont bring their name ;p

In my opinion though, a sharpish bouncy delivery is scary as hell for batsmen. I mean, even Agarkar bowling at 140-142 used to put batsmen in trouble when he would bounce the ball. I think anything around and above 137k's, which has steep or unexpected bounce is tough to handle.

Bhai that'd what I meant that you still need some amount of pace to hurry batsmen. It's the extra bounce from short of length or good length that troubles batsmen as they find it difficult to control the shot. It doesn't hurry batsmen. Batsmen only get hurried by pace. 

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3 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Cmon dude. Oram was too slow and so was Pollard. Dont bring their name ;p

In my opinion though, a sharpish bouncy delivery is scary as hell for batsmen. I mean, even Agarkar bowling at 140-142 used to put batsmen in trouble when he would bounce the ball. I think anything around and above 137k's, which has steep or unexpected bounce is tough to handle.

Best example now Archer . He is dangerous with his rising deliveries from back of length with pace and precision of those deliveries hitting  the body.

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Didn't saw Brett Schultz but for rest, the order is

1. Malcolm Marshall

2. Waqar Younis

3. Pat Cummins

4. Wasim Akram

5. James Anderson

 

The only reason Anderson was hitting 140 this summer was because he got enough rest due to lockdown and SL series getting postooned so that he could come up and bowl at good pace. On average, he bowls around 135 Kph.

 

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