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Zampa is the best white ball spinner going around

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16 hours ago, Gollum said:

True in almost every sport. 

 

Hockey we won the last junior (U-21) WC, before that in 2001. Senior team can't even make it to SF of WCs and Olympics, forget winning. Last time we progressed to SF/beyond was 1980 Moscow which saw large scale boycott.  

 

Tennis we have produced junior GS champs, progress beyond that? The players who Yuki used to beat in 2000s now go deep in majors while he hardly ever qualifies. 

 

Better in junior football, seniors struggle against Maldives, Bangladesh and lose to Guam (1.4 lakhs population). 

 

Junior squash vs seniors, same with athletics, swimming, boxing, shooting, archery

 

Chess, we have so many junior world champs yet our #1 player is a 51 year old who has held that spot for the last 35 years. His peers have retired as have those a decade younger, yet we expect him to compete against elite players who weren't born when he won his 1st world title. 

 

Clearly not just limited to cricket, our boys and girls peak early but have low ceiling. And this has been going on for at least 20 years, reasons uh we can always speculate but IMO this is a worrying trend and demands extensive study/analysis which we know will never happen in this country. 

Fun fact, chahal was the junior national chess champion and has represented india in the world youth chess championship 

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20 hours ago, Norman said:

Got to say I've been impressed by him in the recent times. 

 

 

Never gets bogged down under pressure like our collar chewing mental midget and is very effective within his skillset. Kuldeep has regressed a little and the likes of Rashid, Shadab are ordinary. 

 

Champa Rani may just be the best one going around. 

who this Chahal ?

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29 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

To put things in perspective Chahal averages 25 in ODIs, Zampa 34.

Chahal (and Kuldeep) had an unreal start to their careers. I remember at one point (in 2018 or so) , they were averaging 16 or something. But as soon as the novelty factor wore off ,they started having ordinary returns. 

 

OTOH, Zampa has turned it around for himself in the past one and a half year. Whenever you see him bowl, he always looks in total control and now he has stated picking wickets too (7 in 2 games this series). 

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2 hours ago, New guy said:

Fun fact, chahal was the junior national chess champion and has represented india in the world youth chess championship 

Yup, he sometimes plays on Samay Raina's stream. He doesn't play so well now, lost to Samay who is around 1300 level on chess.com which is like 1100 FIDE. Maybe Chahal is out of practice cos of inactivity. Good achievement nonetheless, he must have shown real promise as a 11/12 year old. Unfortunately those days unless one was super duper talented like say Carlsen he/she needed chess coaches to go to the next level and it was an expensive affair. Sponsors come into the picture only if you get some IM/GM norms. Chahal born 10-15 years later might have opted for professional chess career over cricket with so much free online learning content.

 

Yuzvendra Chahal: From Greys to Greens

How good is Yuzvendra Chahal at chess?

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12 hours ago, Norman said:

Chahal (and Kuldeep) had an unreal start to their careers. I remember at one point (in 2018 or so) , they were averaging 16 or something. But as soon as the novelty factor wore off ,they started having ordinary returns. 

 

OTOH, Zampa has turned it around for himself in the past one and a half year. Whenever you see him bowl, he always looks in total control and now he has stated picking wickets too (7 in 2 games this series). 

Year O M R W 4w Best Avg S/R E/R
2016 24.0 3 77 6 0 3/25 12.83 24.00 3.21
2017 121.0 6 600 21 0 3/30 28.57 34.57 4.96
2018 156.1 3 754 29 2 5/22 26.00 32.31 4.83
2019 142.0 0 815 29 2 6/42 28.10 29.38 5.74
2020 20.0 1 105 6 0 3/47 17.50 20.00 5.25
Overall (5) 463.1 13 2351 91 4 6/42 25.84 30.54

5.08

 

 

Novelity factor wearing off will happen to everyone, teams start to comeup with a plan for u 

in 2016 n 2020 his avg is low as he played less but rest 3 years its been near n about .

 

I really like yuzi but in long run his challenges wud be

  • Extra skills-  kuldeep can hold the bat , Rahul chahar will be his biggest nemsis as he is an oustanding fielder and can bat to 
  • Competition from right arm leggies something that kuldeep doesnt have to worry much as of now . 

 

But he is not going anywere for next 2-3 yrs , unless he declines drastically . His thrives on batsman attacking him which is what LOI is now 

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Champa does the basics well. He never produces that much turn but gets his angles right always attacks the stumps. A bit turn here and a googly there, he manages to outsmart the best of the batsmen on show. Also batsmen these days are more attacking and doesn't respect the spinners that much. That is probably another reason he gets so much wickets.

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Just now, Real McCoy said:

Champa does the basics well. He never produces that much turn but gets his angles right always attacks the stumps. A bit turn here and a googly there, he manages to outsmart the best of the batsmen on show. Also batsmen these days are more attacking and doesn't respect the spinners that much. That is probably another reason he gets so much wickets.

Zampa bowls quick in the air. Don't give batsmen room to hit and mix googly in between.

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On 9/14/2020 at 2:33 PM, Norman said:

 

I'm confused. Are you saying that Chahal is that quality leg spinner or that the wait is still on ? :hmmmm2:

No way near their category yet imo.

 

He is not even had a Test Debut and he is not young at all for a cricketer.  God knows   when he will start playing tests, when he will be certainty in test 11 and when he will (if at all) make him known as a good test bowler at the very least. Skill wise too he isn't there. 

 

As far white ball is concerned, Rashid is best in T20. He can contain runs as well as pick wickets in same innings. Rashid Khan is the best spinner in T20i. Anyone better than him?

 

But to be in legacy of Gupte, Chandra., Kumble , Chahal should make test debut first to begin with. It's a very big ask and he is short of time.

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On 9/14/2020 at 5:17 PM, Soorma_Bhopali said:

Ravi Bishnoi is promising and was sensational in U-19 worldcup . ( Dejavu - Piyush Chawla in U-10 2006 ?) . He is in Rajasthan Royals squad and it will be interesting to see how many games he gets as Shreyas Gopal , another leggie and all-rounder on top of that, is also in their team. It will be interesting to watch his progress.

Is he not in KP ?

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On 9/15/2020 at 4:01 PM, ShoonyaSifar said:

Last 3 years

 

ODIs

Kuldeep Yadav 93 wickets @27 in 53 matches

Chahal 80 wickets@26 in 45 matches

Zampa 46 wickets@38 in 33 matches

 

If only our captain wasn't dumb to have disturbed the KulCha combo back in 2018 by rotating them in order to accommodate Jadeja. Kuldeep has lost his rhythm and confidence since then.

 

i think....pandya's injury broke the combo...for the balance of the team...

 

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16 hours ago, Norman said:

What a series for Zampa ! :hatsoff:

 

Against the world champs at their home. 

 

Matches - 3

Wickets - 10 

Average - 14.2

Economy - 4.7 

 

And the icing on the cake is all the 10 wickets are off top order bats. 

just one series and he became best white bowl spinner...

its unfair

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