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Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners in IPL 2020

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1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I know all that.

 

But the difference in the approaches by Nagarkoti and Mavi is clearly seen. Nagarkoti too has not hit peak pace but his intensity is higher.

 

If the reason is because Mavi has come back from injury only recently then he should play a few more practice matches and play actual matches after a month when his body us more ready to bowl quick.

 

That was all I was saying in your quoted post.

 

Why do you always start from ABCD !

 

 

If hes bowling well,they will never drop him and the more he plays the better,he will come to his usual pace in some time,he knows he can't survive with that pace,there is cut throat competition,Tyagi, Sushant ,Prasidh are in the pipe line

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3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I know all that.

 

But the difference in the approaches by Nagarkoti and Mavi is clearly seen. Nagarkoti too has not hit peak pace but his intensity is higher.

 

If the reason is because Mavi has come back from injury only recently then he should play a few more practice matches and play actual matches after a month when his body us more ready to bowl quick.

 

That was all I was saying in your quoted post.

 

Why do you always start from ABCD !

 

 

He has to play matches whether practice or IPL. It's not like there is any other cricket going on. He is doing that. Nothing better than real matches. It will take him at least 4-6 months to bowl same way again. And he is doing well despite not being at his quickest, has bowled in right areas, ball is skidding and still hurried the batsman despite not hitting 145k. 

 

Nagarkoti had started bowling in Jan. Mavi started bowling in July IIRC but both lacked lot of bowling and any real match practice. Even for nagarkoti, it will take time to again hit 145 plus.  

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3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

If hes bowling well,they will never drop him and the more he plays the better,he will come to his usual pace in some time,he knows he can't survive with that pace,there is cut throat competition,Tyagi, Sushant ,Prasidh are in the pipe line

 

 

If success in T20 club matches come at a lesser pace then a young pacer may start thinking differently. 

 

Fast Bowling is hard work. They may settle for a T20-only career and get lost from the test and ODI scenario. It has happened with Munaf,  RP,  Sreesanth etc. Plus they are seeing Chahar, Shardul etc. getting chances while trundling.

 

I think it is a risky proposition to allow Indians to bowl at lesser pace. The basic tendency is to cut down on pace. And test and ODI success won't come to trundlers.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

He has to play matches whether practice or IPL. It's not like there is any other cricket going on. He is doing that. Nothing better than real matches. It will take him at least 4-6 months to bowl same way again. And he is doing well despite not being at his quickest, has bowled in right areas, ball is skidding and still hurried the batsman despite not hitting 145k. 

 

Nagarkoti had started bowling in Jan. Mavi started bowling in July IIRC but both lacked lot of bowling and any real match practice. Even for nagarkoti, it will take time to again hit 145 plus.  

 

 

Once bitten twice shy.

 

Too many Indian quicks have stopped bowling quick after cutting down on pace after injury. The pace has not come back.

 

I think it is better to play practice matches first.

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13 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

If success in T20 club matches come at a lesser pace then a young pacer may start thinking differently. 

 

Fast Bowling is hard work. They may settle for a T20-only career and get lost from the test and ODI scenario. It has happened with Munaf,  RP,  Sreesanth etc. Plus they are seeing Chahar, Shardul etc. getting chances while trundling.

 

I think it is a risky proposition to allow Indians to bowl at lesser pace. The basic tendency is to cut down on pace. And test and ODI success won't come to trundlers.

 

 

I think Indian players won't restrict their careers to only t20s like other foreign players as they only get to play IPL

Nagarkoti,Mavi im sure want to play for India across formats,being a rich board BCCI,these guys know for them sky is the only limit,they can earn billions if they aim high, targeting t20s will only lower their stakes,

And i seriously hope they think like that and i think Khaleel will sort out his action and will get back his pace even last year against WI at home he bowled 1-2 deliveries at 144,it says he can bowl at that pace

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22 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

If success in T20 club matches come at a lesser pace then a young pacer may start thinking differently. 

 

Fast Bowling is hard work. They may settle for a T20-only career and get lost from the test and ODI scenario. It has happened with Munaf,  RP,  Sreesanth etc. Plus they are seeing Chahar, Shardul etc. getting chances while trundling.

 

I think it is a risky proposition to allow Indians to bowl at lesser pace. The basic tendency is to cut down on pace. And test and ODI success won't come to trundlers.

 

 

Bumrah played whole IPL bowling same pace as Mavi and I thought what has happened to him and then he was back to his normal pace in a few months.

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22 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Once bitten twice shy.

 

Too many Indian quicks have stopped bowling quick after cutting down on pace after injury. The pace has not come back.

 

I think it is better to play practice matches first.

Those bowlers have reduced their pace intentionally and lack of fitness. Mavi has no fitness issue. And if he drops intentionally then doesn't matter whether he plays IPL or not. Both Koti and Mavi are too short and slight statured to sustain high pace without serious injuries at such a young age. One is 5'8, another is 5'9.  So better to be measured. Their pace will be judged once their bodies mature around 24-25 years of age. 

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11 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

I think Indian players won't restrict their careers to only t20s like other foreign players as they only get to play IPL

Nagarkoti,Mavi im sure want to play for India across formats,being a rich board BCCI,these guys know for them sky is the only limit,they can earn billions if they aim high, targeting t20s will only lower their stakes,

And i seriously hope they think like that and i think Khaleel will sort out his action and will get back his pace even last year against WI at home he bowled 1-2 deliveries at 144,it says he can bowl at that pace

 

 

Look at Avesh Khan, Sandeep Warrier and Ankit Rajpoot.  All 3 were part of our A-teams in the recent past. Avesh and Warrier played the last A-team series even. This means all are on the brink of Senior Team selection. But they cut down on pace.

 

Khaleel has been thrown out of the national team but still down on pace. I don't think he would have been dropped if he was bowling 145 k.

 

Once an Indian seamer drops pace, chances are it is a mindset issue too. And the pace may never come back.  (  But I will be more than happy if the pace comes back !!  )

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Mavi has 2 very interesting qualities apart from natural pace.

 

----  He gets good bounce from time to time despite being short. Used to gets some balls to absolutely fly through when he was fully fit. 

 

----  He bowls big indippers with a certain regularity.

 

He retains both these qualities. Interestingly, he is still getting some bounce from time to time although he is not hitting the deck as hard as before. 

 

This is why it is important that Mavi gets back to full pace eventually. He can be a more all condition pacer than Nagarkoti due to the above qualities.

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Look at Avesh Khan, Sandeep Warrier and Ankit Rajpoot.  All 3 were part of our A-teams in the recent past. Avesh and Warrier played the last A-team series even. This means all are on the brink of Senior Team selection. But they cut down on pace.

 

Khaleel has been thrown out of the national team but still down on pace. I don't think he would have been dropped if he was bowling 145 k.

 

Once an Indian seamer drops pace, chances are it is a mindset issue too. And the pace may never come back.  (  But I will be more than happy if the pace comes back !!  )

Avesh khan was never fit to bowl fast ,if you see him he is a hip dominant bowler and by his fitness its quite evident doesn't do much gym work and hip dominant bowlers have to follow restrict fitness regime so eventually lost pace,Warrier was never 145 k bowler

Well Khaleel has lost pace due to his action and maybe faulty landing,but i think Khaleel is most close to get back his lost rythm,i have seen him last year bowl 1-2 deliveries at 144 against WI

Even Ishant too struggled with his action(wrist position)iirc in 2009-2010 maybe for a little longer period,he sorted it out only in 2014-2015,but thing is Ishant was hard working had the will to improve and luckily he was persisted with despite being indifferent with his form,hope Khaleel too has the will to work hard

Mavi, Nagarkoti look hardworking specially Nagarkoti

Brother,i too had my concerns over Mavi's bowling,but then he returned from a major injury,i will rather wait for an year and half

And these guys are going to play IPL again in 6 months time

I would rather want them bowl sensibly in these humid conditions

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8 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

When did this IPL happen ?

IPL 2015. He sustained a bad knee injury in 2014. Missed whole domestic season, came back in IPL, bowled poorly, at least Mavi is bowling quite well even if low in pace. Bumrah made his debut for India in Feb 2016 and I wasn't sure how would he bowl seeing him bowl in IPL 2015 but he had got his mojo back in those 6-7 months after IPL. Bumrah was so bad in that IPL that they only played him in 4 games taking 3 wickets at 12+ rpo.

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2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

IPL 2015. He sustained a bad knee injury in 2014. Missed whole domestic season, came back in IPL, bowled poorly, at least Mavi is bowling quite well even if low in pace. Bumrah made his debut for India in Feb 2016 and I wasn't sure how would he bowl seeing him bowl in IPL 2015 but he had got his mojo back in those 6-7 months after IPL. Bumrah was so bad in that IPL that they only played him in 4 games taking 3 wickets at 12+ rpo.

 

 

In IPL 2015, Bumrah was visibly unfit. He was dropped after playing just 1 match. Came back mid way through the tournament and played 2 or 3 more games.

 

And that is what I am saying. If you have an unfit pacer ... don't play him every game. Let him play practice matches and occasional IPL matches. And get back to full match fitness first.

 

You are just proving my point.

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35 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

In IPL 2015, Bumrah was visibly unfit. He was dropped after playing just 1 match. Came back mid way through the tournament and played 2 or 3 more games.

 

And that is what I am saying. If you have an unfit pacer ... don't play him every game. Let him play practice matches and occasional IPL matches. And get back to full match fitness first.

 

You are just proving my point.

Take it up with the speedometer/hawkeye operators ,Stoinis has clocked 141 with his dibbly doobly stuff whereas mavi struggled ,so if you are a big strong aussie you will  get good ratings and if you are a malnourished midget indian you wont .

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I can say without reservation that Archer bowling yesterday was the best fast bowling so far in this IPL. Pure fire. Pace, accuracy, wickets & miserly economy it had it all. 2nd best spell was Bumrah against KKR until cummins hit 4 sixes off him.

 

Cummins is showing why he is the #1 test bowler after the disastrous 1st match against MI. In that game his lengths were short and got bashed all around. Now he's bowling much better and fuller lengths and testing the batsmen more. 1/19 and 1/13 after the 1st game.

 

Natarajan's yorkers were the best part of the game among Indian bowlers.

 

All the younger bowlers from KKR bowled well yesterday but the pace was a bit lagging.

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