Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Khota said: Dhawan, Rohit, Pandya. In batting. In same sentence. I am definitely confused. Dont be one guy has almost 100 in SA , 50 in england , 100 in SL Rohit has neither dhawan doesnt 2 of them Sorry to confuse u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) Pandya has limited power in his strokes.. I like his bat swing but that's about it. Tbh If Dube develops bat swing like this he will tonk the ball many times. Pandya's new stance is awful like Maxi. Never considered him a matchwinner. Edited September 29, 2020 by Lone Wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevada Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 12 hours ago, maniac said: All I have seen is he performs when everyone performs. I don’t see a Yuvraj Dhoni Raina type finishing from him ever either in IPL or internationals. Also he has already played internationals for 4 years. Aur kitna time chahiye? The all-rounder development model is a failed one. Australia have tried it giving plenty of rope for Mitch Marsh but he is underwhelming at best and often injured. Pandya is not bowling now because of injury and who knows how often they will recur if he resumes bowling duties. 4 years later he is still a lesser bowler and lesser batsman. I wish he had developed into a solid batsman by now. Soorma_Bhopali, maniac and raki05 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I think performances in the first half of IPL 2020 are more reflections of how much the players were able to practice during the COVID induced break. Not everyone got enough chances to practice competitively. We have seen 3 of our top LOI match-winners in the last few years ... Bumrah, Kohli and Rohit look out of sorts. Time to judge players' forms would be after they play 5 or 6 matches each. Soorma_Bhopali 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK_IH Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 As usual style zada maara shots kam. nevada and raki05 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Dont be one guy has almost 100 in SA , 50 in england , 100 in SL Rohit has neither dhawan doesnt 2 of them Sorry to confuse u At the end of the IPL season when I see the runs scored that should clear my confusion. Agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, Khota said: At the end of the IPL season when I see the runs scored that should clear my confusion. Agree? But the last time i showed u that he has been the 2nd highest wkt taker for mumbai indians u refused to acknowledge, a year before he was the highest u refused to acknowledge. 1st stick to to what u say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Pandya has limited power in his strokes.. I like his bat swing but that's about it. Tbh If Dube develops bat swing like this he will tonk the ball many times. Hahahahaha Still remember when dube bursted on scene many said he is a better bowler then pandya, none owned up to it. This is next funny 4 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Pandya's new stance is awful like Maxi. Never considered him a matchwinner. he has been scoring runs with that for 2 yrs in IPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: But the last time i showed u that he has been the 2nd highest wkt taker for mumbai indians u refused to acknowledge, a year before he was the highest u refused to acknowledge. 1st stick to to what u say I always stick to what I say. Pandya is a hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Khota said: I always stick to what I say. No u dnt , u refuse to accept his record as MI 2nd best bowler in last 2 yrs 4 minutes ago, Khota said: Pandya is a hack. at 7 u need hacks not rahane Edited September 29, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 5 hours ago, nevada said: The all-rounder development model is a failed one. Australia have tried it giving plenty of rope for Mitch Marsh but he is underwhelming at best and often injured. Pandya is not bowling now because of injury and who knows how often they will recur if he resumes bowling duties. 4 years later he is still a lesser bowler and lesser batsman. I wish he had developed into a solid batsman by now. Exactly. I personally am ok with Pandya in T20 because I think it is the only format that has a place for bits and pieces cricketers. However what I am questioning is his temperament because he is supposedly going to be our finisher/ middle order in all formats especially LOI’s. If you remember, Shane Watson was not going anywhere till Aussies actually made him an opener. An opener who could bowl as the 5th bowler and have a golden arm that made him super valuable. Ben Stokes is a proper no.4 -no.5 batsman, Woakes is a proper opening bowler. It took Jadeja to become a premier frontline spinner to get the respect of the fans. That shows these guys had the temperament of a batsman or a bowler. When we say Raina,Yuvraj or MSD, MSD’s utility was as a keeper and it just so happened that he was an amazing batsman. Raina and Yuvraj played as finishers because we had an ATG batting line up otherwise for any other team they would be batting in the top 3-4. They had that batsman temperament which made them great finishers. When it comes to Pandya, he might be obviously more skillful than the Umesh Yadavs or the Shami’s of the world with the bat but that’s basically his attitude of a no.11 who swings the bat blindly with no calculation or acumen. His 90 in SA was no different from the 80 odd Anderson scored against us or the 50 Shami hit in England or the recent 6 hitting form Umesh has had in tests. He just doesn’t have the mind to make it to the next level. Play him as a pinch hitter in T20’s for all I care, only thing assured about him is his fielding I will give him that. putrevus, nevada, Stan AF and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Can anyone remind me what the thread is about? It is all over the place. Are we are tracking finishing skills of Pandya in IPL to determine his suitability in other formats? When the guy was already MI best player last season! Anyways, always appreciate the interest in Sir Don Pandya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putrevus Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Nobody is expecting Pandya to do well in this IPL. He is coming of injury so his bowling is not there which is fine.Question is about his future when he is healthy (I hope he does recover fully). Question is will he become a match winner when healthy .What is the time frame for him to become Indian version of Ben Stokes.Ben Stokes showed glimpses very early on and we could easily see that he was technically very correct batsman.Pandya is no such player, his game is full of hit and miss rather than technique. Ben Stokes made his test debut in 2013 and became world class by 2016-17. What is expected of Pandya?He was given consistent run in all formats but he could not justify his place. Rohit Sharma was given long rope by Dhoni and team management and he has justified it by becoming world class in white ball cricket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, putrevus said: Nobody is expecting Pandya to do well in this IPL. He is coming of injury so his bowling is not there which is fine.Question is about his future when he is healthy (I hope he does recover fully). Question is will he become a match winner when healthy .What is the time frame for him to become Indian version of Ben Stokes.Ben Stokes showed glimpses very early on and we could easily see that he was technically very correct batsman.Pandya is no such player, his game is full of hit and miss rather than technique. Ben Stokes made his test debut in 2013 and became world class by 2016-17. What is expected of Pandya?He was given consistent run in all formats but he could not justify his place. Rohit Sharma was given long rope by Dhoni and team management and he has justified it by becoming world class in white ball cricket. while MSD gets credit for backing Rohit, Rohit and rightfully so, he also justified that he deserves it by playing crucial and tournament winning knocks in WT20 and CB series. Some time’s you have to earn the long rope and belief of the captain/TM as well. Edited September 29, 2020 by maniac raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putrevus Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, maniac said: while MSD gets credit for backing Rohit, Rohit also justified by playing crucial and tournament winning knocks in WT20 and CB series. Some time’s you have to earn the long rope and belief of the captain/TM as well. Pandya has done his bit by score 91 in SA and taking 5fer in England. He was given his run, he or his fans cannot say he was not given proper run.The problem I see with Pandya is even if he plays 100 tests/200 odis I don't think he would become a great player in any format.He needs to play FC cricket and improve all facets of his game.He is 26/27, I don't think he will be able to change his game. Rohit was averaging over 60 in FC and still has very good FC average. I don't think he has ability to become finisher either, Dhoni became a finisher in odis because he elimnated the risk and had started playing percentage cricket.Dhoni did have ability to score 180 or 150 when sent up the order. Dhoni had primary skill of WK.What is Pandya's primary skill. This nonsense that Pandya is an allrounder so he is allowed to stink in both bowling and batting is ridiculous. There is nothing called allrounder, each player has to justify his place in the team as a batsman or bowler or WK.His secondary skill is always a plus. Edited September 29, 2020 by putrevus maniac and Khota 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) Turned into a joke thread. Now if the goal is to track SDP's (Sir Don Pandya) performances in this IPL, it is not even done properly: M1: Supported Tiwari initially and then went after the bowling. Got out to a magnificent catch. Put 2 6s in M2: Built a 30 runs p'ship. Unfortunately out hit wicket. Got 2 4s and a 6 in M3: Came in with MI in doldrums at 39/3. Built a partnership with Ishan. Got a 6 in. With RRR rising and Pollard to come, had to go for big shots. Caught at the edge of the boundary In all 3 innings, he has displayed attacking mindset, trying to drive the game forward, which is what is expected from him. His dismissals have been through magnificent catches and caught on the edge of the boundary, along with that hitwicket, (unlucky if you see how many catches have been dropped in this tourney) With 14 games to play, no team or player can perform in all of them. Pandya has not had a "star" performance (which is what people expect from him) so far but he has been ok. Nothing much to complain here unless SDP is expected to turn every inning into a gem (though good to see such expectations for SDP ) I also skimmed through some posts to see names like Rohit, Dhoni, etc., thrown in. We know what guys like Rohit average in MO in ODIs (debuted in or around 2007 and had to be sent up in 2013 to enable him to play to his potential). The comparison with Dhoni is funny too (if he was compared as I only skimmed through posts) as Dhoni played for consistency, while Pandya plays for "impact". Every team needs different types of players unless you want of have a Dhoni or Kohli batting from 1 to 6 (that is not going to happen). If you see Eng, it plays likes of Mooen, etc too despite having "Root". As for Tests (again off topic on an IPL forum), Pandya averages 60+ in subcon with 1 100. So far he has played most of his tests in difficult batting conditions in SENA, a tough thing to do for any newcomer. If he had the opportunity to bat in India too in tests, his avg would be much higher! Edited September 29, 2020 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) double post Edited September 29, 2020 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: No u dnt , u refuse to accept his record as MI 2nd best bowler in last 2 yrs at 7 u need hacks not rahane You don't need hacks in the team. You need winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Khota said: You don't need hacks in the team. You need winners. So why how come u wanted rayudu n rahane in loi...since when is batsman batting below ,80 s.r match winners Dhawan in t20....since when is batsman batting under 130 s.r match winners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Hahahahaha Still remember when dube bursted on scene many said he is a better bowler then pandya, none owned up to it. This is next funny he has been scoring runs with that for 2 yrs in IPL Lol hitting sixes at Wankhede & Dubai is a different thing. With this brand new stance Pandya failed in WC as well.. Except for Aussie game. All he is trying to do is hack it towards leg side & it is visible clearly... His off side game is gone. With him not bowling he is more or less a liability. Dube clearly looks a better investment tbf... If he is given even half as chances as Hardik. If he can bowl as good as Neesham he'll be fine. Khota 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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