2020 US election results watch !!!

[Stan AF]

https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-intended-kill-mike-pence-nancy-pelosi-fbi-witness-says-1562062

 

An FBI witness says that members of the far-right Proud Boys had hoped to assassinate Vice President Mike Pence and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi during last week's violent storming of the U.S. Capitol.

[ash]

On 1/16/2021 at 12:03 PM, Stan AF said:

https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-intended-kill-mike-pence-nancy-pelosi-fbi-witness-says-1562062

 

An FBI witness says that members of the far-right Proud Boys had hoped to assassinate Vice President Mike Pence and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi during last week's violent storming of the U.S. Capitol.

Sort of glad this happened. If they play this right, they can hold the house and senate for the next 4 yrs. Many progressive ideas like legalising marijuana, abortion, minimum wage etc can be passed. Stick it to the GOP come on

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, ash said:

Sort of glad this happened. If they play this right, they can hold the house and senate for the next 4 yrs. Many progressive ideas like legalising marijuana, abortion, minimum wage etc can be passed. Stick it to the GOP come on

Along with progressive anti-family ideas such as erasing mother and father from state recognition, allowing the government & school authorities to advice minors on permanent self-mutilation surgeries for the corporate profit under the spiel of gender doctrine. 

Proud boys threatening to causing violence in the US is hardly much different from the BLM and Antifa riots in the states and wont matter to either vote base.

What is concerning for you progressives, is colored people are steadily switching republican, thanks to your progressives pushing sexualizing of children and child mutilation agenda, along with the racism endemic to the democrats and using commercialising coloured people's miseries, along with the racism that comes with it.

 

What should also be concerning, is that Democrats wont have a ' not trump'  angle to draw in record numbers, while the republican numbers are far more boosted by the anti-left/anti-elitist feelings of the center & right. 

 

But the most damning stat of all for the progressives, is that their window is closing globally and closing fast - coloured voters are steadily shifting conservative, a trend that has been seen steadily increase in every single election cycle over the last 3-4 election cycles in the west, as the scarecrow of ' the right is super racist and wants u enslaved' angle is fetching diminishing returns, as that generation dies off and the modern right emerges as just the religious/family based ones.

 

[Kriterion]

On 1/17/2021 at 4:09 AM, Muloghonto said:

 

 

But the most damning stat of all for the progressives, is that their window is closing globally and closing fast - coloured voters are steadily shifting conservative, a trend that has been seen steadily increase in every single election cycle over the last 3-4 election cycles in the west, as the scarecrow of ' the right is super racist and wants u enslaved' angle is fetching diminishing returns, as that generation dies off and the modern right emerges as just the religious/family based ones.

 

 

Actually not true in the United States. Minorities of all stripes (Gay/lesbian, Mexican, Muslim, Black) are overwhelmingly Democratic, and the shift to the right is too miniscule to matter especially when pitted against changing demographics in traditionally Red areas like Georgia or Texas. GA and TX were close simpy due to the growth of urban centers like Atlanta, Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, and Houston.  

Trump won Texas by a mere 6% points. Thats ruby red Texas. Remember the 2004 election that GW barely won? He won Texas by a whopping 21%. In 2000 when Gore won the popular vote, he still lost Texas by 21%. Even Obama lost by double digits. Georgia has actually turned blue, simply due to the growth in the Atlanta metro area. The same is true of Texas where all the growth is in Austin, DFW, Houston, and San Antonio. 

 

The George Floyd incident caused a lot of black and minority voters to go to the polls as if their lives depeneded on it. Thus even if Trump increased his vote share amongst blacks from 8 to 12% (a reasonable if, given how inaccurate polls are), 8% of a much larger number of voters probably trumps 12% of a smaller one. 

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by Kriterion

[Muloghonto]

7 minutes ago, Kriterion said:

 

Actually not true in the United States. Minorities of all stripes (Gay/lesbian, Mexican, Muslim, Black) are overwhelmingly Democratic, and the shift to the right is too miniscule to matter especially when pitted against changing demographics in traditionally Red areas like Georgia or Texas. GA and TX were close simpy due to the growth of urban centers like Atlanta, Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, and Houston.  

 

Well about 40% of gay men voted for Trump this election.  The demographic growth of conservative/republican vote by the colored people is a 20 year continuous trend and growing and IMO it will grow some more, since most colored immigrants are far closer to western conservatives in values than the western progressives.

And as the anglo world becomes more and more coloured - by 2050 north america will be more coloured than white and by 2100 dominantly so, it represents a far stronger long term voter base for republicans than the democrats.

 

This is the main reason the democrats/liberals love to keep racism as a politically relevant topic, because they fully know that on the basis of values - we are much more likely to vote republican/conservative than democrat/progressive. Particularly now, since the progressive side is all about the trans ideology and ramming through forced speech for trans ideology and advocating erasure of female spaces,female sports and mutilating children. These aspects, when it becomes mainstream ( question of when, not if) will result in a decisive drop of POC votes for the democrats/liberals.

 

 

[Tibarn]

What was interesting comparing the Presidential election vs the Georgia Senate Elections was how many Latinos voted for Trump, but they didn't vote for the Georgia Rs. If the R's want to recreate the Trump win, they will have to regain those Trump voters. Basically, as the Latino vote increases in the US, they will take over the Republican party.

 

 

Biden will have to figure out how to keep the psychotic "progressives" ie socialists from taking over the Ds. Harris will probably inherit the ticket next election regardless. She will probably decide which way that party goes. 

Edited January 19, 2021 by Tibarn

[Muloghonto]

19 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

What was interesting comparing the Presidential election vs the Georgia Senate Elections was how many Latinos voted for Trump, but they didn't vote for the Georgia Rs. If the R's want to recreate the Trump win, they will have to regain those Trump voters. Basically, as the Latino vote increases in the US, they will take over the Republican party.

 

 

Biden will have to figure out how to keep the psychotic "progressives" ie socialists from taking over the Ds. Harris will probably inherit the ticket next election regardless. She will probably decide which way that party goes. 

Kamala is herelf a psychotic progressive commie. 

So the baton has already been passed to the crazies in the democrats. 

Hence California just passed a law that ignores parental consent or even informing the parent about genital modification surgeries and hormone therapy. 

Hence on the docket in HoR there is a law asking for removal of gendered languages and no more reference to father mother brother sister in the house documents as its transphobic. 

[Tibarn]

10 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Kamala is herelf a psychotic progressive commie. 

So the baton has already been passed to the crazies in the democrats. 

Hence California just passed a law that ignores parental consent or even informing the parent about genital modification surgeries and hormone therapy. 

Hence on the docket in HoR there is a law asking for removal of gendered languages and no more reference to father mother brother sister in the house documents as its transphobic. 

She is more of someone who goes whichever way the wind blows to maintain her popularity. In the primaries she was appealing to the "progessives," but she didn't get any support from them and had to drop out early. After she was selected by Biden as VP candidate, she went along with him back to normal Democratic policies. However, she models herself after Hilary Clinton; she even hired people who ran the Clinton's campaign  to be part of her's, so I assume she is more similar to her/Biden than the "progessives".  

 

"Progressives" hate her and have several derogatory nicknames for her, (ie "Heels up Harris") due to her closeness to the justice system/police/political establishment in California. They got behind her and Biden this time, because they hate Trump so much, but, in 4 years, they won't necessarily have that type of polarizing figure to drive turn out for her. The Democratic establishment which she is a part of, just uses these woke people as an enthusiastic vote bank usually, but they may have reached critical mass and go against the party, like they did when Hilary was running.   

[Muloghonto]

Just now, Tibarn said:

She is more of someone who goes whichever way the wind blows to maintain her popularity. In the primaries she was appealing to the "progessives," but she didn't get any support from them and had to drop out early. After she was selected by Biden as VP candidate, she went along with him back to normal Democratic policies. However, she models herself after Hilary Clinton; she even hired people who ran the Clinton's campaign  to be part of her's, so I assume she is more similar to her/Biden than the "progessives".  

 

"Progressives" hate her and have several derogatory nicknames for her, (ie "Heels up Harris") due to her closeness to the justice system/police/political establishment in California. They got behind her and Biden this time, because they hate Trump so much, but, in 4 years, they won't necessarily have that type of polarizing figure to drive turn out for her. The Democratic establishment which she is a part of, just uses these woke people as an enthusiastic vote bank usually, but they may have reached critical mass and go against the party, like they did when Hilary was running.   

 

Yes. Much like the Democrats in USA and liberals in Canada uses the POCs as a vote bank. 

The woke are absolute menace- the biggest one facing the world currently due to their growing hold in university arts departments. As such, the party that panders to them, is the clear-cut enemy in my eyes, period. 

[Kriterion]

On 1/18/2021 at 2:04 PM, Muloghonto said:

Well about 40% of gay men voted for Trump this election.  The demographic growth of conservative/republican vote by the colored people is a 20 year continuous trend and growing and IMO it will grow some more, since most colored immigrants are far closer to western conservatives in values than the western progressives.

And as the anglo world becomes more and more coloured - by 2050 north america will be more coloured than white and by 2100 dominantly so, it represents a far stronger long term voter base for republicans than the democrats.

 

This is the main reason the democrats/liberals love to keep racism as a politically relevant topic, because they fully know that on the basis of values - we are much more likely to vote republican/conservative than democrat/progressive. Particularly now, since the progressive side is all about the trans ideology and ramming through forced speech for trans ideology and advocating erasure of female spaces,female sports and mutilating children. These aspects, when it becomes mainstream ( question of when, not if) will result in a decisive drop of POC votes for the democrats/liberals.

 

 

 

But do you see enough POCs converting to white supremacy/nationalism by 2050 or 2100 to counter the number of whites who are converting to BLM/progressivism/wokeness? 

 

But race/ethnicity is just one [minor] determinant of voting tendency. The major one is centered around urbanization and education level. As urban centers continue to grow, the population lurches ever more leftward, politically. And this is with the unlevel playing field of the Electoral College system which many argue is achaic because Southern States don't have slaves anymore to claim a population disadvantage (of the 4 largest population states, 2 are southern states (TX an FL) and NY and Cali are non-southern). 

This continual shift away from rural areas to urban areas is IMO the most significant determinant. We already saw the effect of it on states like Georgia (flipped to blue), Texas (getting closer to being a swing state) and Florida (a perennial swing state). 

 

 

 

[Kriterion]

^An additional factor will be if Trump goes through with the idea of forming the Patriot Party. This could be the first real 3rd party in modern US history, because Trump still commands massive popularity and support. A recent poll indicates that half of Republicans still see Trump as the leader of the party, while the other half have moved on. 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

4 minutes ago, Kriterion said:

 

But do you see enough POCs converting to white supremacy/nationalism by 2050 or 2100 to counter the number of whites who are converting to BLM/progressivism/wokeness? 

Yes. I did. Many around me are doing. As soon as we find out the child mutilating trans agenda of the progressives, we switch. The information is hard to come by because the left wing media suppresses this and the right wing media is less focussed on this in USA than other issues, because at the end of the day, westerners are the least child friendly culture known to man. But we are not westerners.

I will happily vote for a Hitler over a child mutilator inspired by openly declared pro pedo ideology of queer theory.

 

4 minutes ago, Kriterion said:

 

But race/ethnicity is just one [minor] determinant of voting tendency. The major one is centered around urbanization and education level. As urban centers continue to grow, the population lurches ever more leftward, politically. And this is with the unlevel playing field of the Electoral College system which many argue is achaic because Southern States don't have slaves anymore to claim a population disadvantage (of the 4 largest population states, 2 are southern states (TX an FL) and NY and Cali are non-southern). 

This continual shift away from rural areas to urban areas is IMO the most significant determinant. We already saw the effect of it on states like Georgia (flipped to blue), Texas (getting closer to being a swing state) and Florida (a perennial swing state). 

 

 

 

 

This is very white-centric analysis and is mostly true.

But it ignores the long term trends :

 

1. In USA, Canada and UK, the conservatives are steadily increasing their vote share of the colored people. This is a fact, this has been noted for every single election going back 2-4 cycles, depending on the country.  This is also easy to explain - on values and priorities, most colored people are conservative by western standards. Most Latinos, muslims, indians, chinese, koreans etc find themselves closer to the ethics of the western conservatives than the western progressives. 

 

2.  Its POCs in these countries who are the dominant group in terms of making babies. Babies are the votes of the future. By 2035 Canada will be less than 50% white. By 2050 the same fate awaits USA.

2011 was the key year for Canada and 2016 for USA i believe. Why these years ? because these are the years when, for the first time in recorded history, since European colonisation, these countries had more coloured babies born than white babies, for citizens. And the gap is widening. 

 

3. Race politics matter less and less these days. Its simply because of two factors - exposure of racism amongst the progressives ( the racism of low expectations, noble savage etc seen amongst liberals for immigrants) and lessening of the whole hooded KKK types amongst the conservatives. So it is becoming harder and harder for the progressives to retain coloured votes by playing the race card - a trend that is visible in voting patterns across the anglo world.

 

 

These trends make it clear that the future, most probably, is going to swing conservative in north america and the wider anglo world.

 

[Muloghonto]

8 minutes ago, Kriterion said:

^An additional factor will be if Trump goes through with the idea of forming the Patriot Party. This could be the first real 3rd party in modern US history, because Trump still commands massive popularity and support. A recent poll indicates that half of Republicans still see Trump as the leader of the party, while the other half have moved on. 

 

 

 

A third party wont be viable and all it will do is ensure democrats win forever. This is because the US constitution is a poor, archaic and primitive constitution and provides no constitutionally controlled mechanism for party forming or party dynamics. US politics is an oligarchy- the duopoly of two. They already have a third party - the libertarians. But it doesnt go anywhere because US politics is ALL about exposure and corporate sponsorship. USA drops an obscene amount of money in campaign running, publicity etc- it dwarves what canada or UK or other developed nations spend per capita in electioneering and all this money comes from corporate backers. 

I dont see the corporations backing a new party. Besides, trump is likely to get impeached in the senate and be barred from holding office again. Agree or disagree with the move, but bottomline is, if that comes to pass, the patriot party dies in its crib.

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

Just now, Muloghonto said:

 

A third party wont be viable and all it will do is ensure democrats win forever. This is because the US constitution is a poor, archaic and primitive constitution and provides no constitutionally controlled mechanism for party forming or party dynamics. US politics is an oligarchy- the duopoly of two. They already have a third party - the libertarians. But it doesnt go anywhere because US politics is ALL about exposure and corporate sponsorship. USA drops an obscene amount of money in campaign running, publicity etc- it dwarves what canada or UK or other developed nations spend per capita in electioneering and all this money comes from corporate backers. 

I dont see the corporations backing a new party. Besides, trump is likely to get impeached in the senate and be barred from holding office again. Agree or disagree with the move, but bottomline is, if that comes to pass, the patriot party dies in its crib.

 

Oh ... money won't be a problem.  Plus, it ain't just one Trump.  If he gets impeached, there's a whole khaandaan in waiting - Junior, Eric, Ivanka, Jarrod ... and there are enough lemmings to lick their shoes.  It will put the Nehru-Gandhi khaandaan to shame.

[Muloghonto]

11 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Oh ... money won't be a problem.  Plus, it ain't just one Trump.  If he gets impeached, there's a whole khaandaan in waiting - Junior, Eric, Ivanka, Jarrod ... and there are enough lemmings to lick their shoes.  It will put the Nehru-Gandhi khaandaan to shame.

 

Well corporate backing has been a big problem for the Libertarians and is pretty much why the tea party movement died in its crib and was subsumed by the republicans.

 

I dont see the reason to form a new party for these guys. Most of their vote base is republican. And republican party allows open nomination - any tom dick and harry can walk in and try contesting their party primaries- which is EXACTLY what Trump did. And anyone can vote in them, not just democrat party members and they dont do superPAC votes like democrats do, which is essentially elitist control - people like Hillary or Pelosi get the equivalent of 10,000 regular votes.

 

So why would they need to form a new party and lose out on the fence-sitter republican votes who will vote out of brand recognition and loyalty factor alone ??

[Kriterion]

4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

 

2.  Its POCs in these countries who are the dominant group in terms of making babies. Babies are the votes of the future. By 2035 Canada will be less than 50% white. By 2050 the same fate awaits USA.

2011 was the key year for Canada and 2016 for USA i believe. Why these years ? because these are the years when, for the first time in recorded history, since European colonisation, these countries had more coloured babies born than white babies, for citizens. And the gap is widening. 

 

3. Race politics matter less and less these days. Its simply because of two factors - exposure of racism amongst the progressives ( the racism of low expectations, noble savage etc seen amongst liberals for immigrants) and lessening of the whole hooded KKK types amongst the conservatives. So it is becoming harder and harder for the progressives to retain coloured votes by playing the race card - a trend that is visible in voting patterns across the anglo world.

 

 

These trends make it clear that the future, most probably, is going to swing conservative in north america and the wider anglo world.

 

 

Agreed, however the POC babies will grow up to generally have a wider "American" identity. Whether their parents or grandparents identified as Muslim, Korean, Indian, Chinese, etc they will largely end up as professionals in their careers (even if their parents immigrated over as shop keepers or Uber drivers). And statistically speaking, the chance is they will end up in a inter-racial marriage. They will put a Christmas tree ever winter and eat Turkey on Thanksgiving because they will be "American" in terms of their primary identity. Its already happening. We never had a Christmas tree growing up, but my sister puts one up at her house. 

 

There will always be exceptions, but by an large this is how it will most likely go. 

 

Additionally, I don't think there is any actual evidence of minorities swinging to the Right en masse in the United States. The electorate overall has actually swung further to left if you look at popular vote difference between Dems and Reps:

 

2020 - Dem +4.4%

2016 - Dem +2.1%'

2012 - Dem +3.9%

2008 - Dem +7.2%

2004 - Rep +2.4%

2000 - Dem +0.5%

1996 - Dem +8.5% (3 way race took votes away from the Reps)

1992 - Dem +5.6% (3 way race again)

 

So the trend I see is a consistent left-shift in terms of presidential elections going back nearly 30 years. Midterms are much closer because of the voter apathy and lower turnout. The US system is unique because the electorate is more diverse than any other country, and the Electoral College system which results in an indirect election and occaisional anomalies where someone can lose the popular vote and still win the election. 

 

Globally, the right still has the overwhelming balance of power because they are in office in the UK, Australia, India, and Brazil. 

[Kriterion]

19 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

A third party wont be viable and all it will do is ensure democrats win forever. This is because the US constitution is a poor, archaic and primitive constitution and provides no constitutionally controlled mechanism for party forming or party dynamics. US politics is an oligarchy- the duopoly of two. They already have a third party - the libertarians. But it doesnt go anywhere because US politics is ALL about exposure and corporate sponsorship. USA drops an obscene amount of money in campaign running, publicity etc- it dwarves what canada or UK or other developed nations spend per capita in electioneering and all this money comes from corporate backers. 

I dont see the corporations backing a new party. Besides, trump is likely to get impeached in the senate and be barred from holding office again. Agree or disagree with the move, but bottomline is, if that comes to pass, the patriot party dies in its crib.

 

 

I don't think Trump will go away that easily. Trump doesn't have to hold office (he's 74 already so no guarantee he would live long enough to run or hold office in 2024 anyways). But a Patriot Party could still be lead by any number of individuals with ambition: Ivanka, Jared, Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller. 

 

It should be noted that the Trump movement now considers the mainstream GOP as untrustworthy because they failed to "stop the steal" and overturn Biden's victory. As the Jan 6 Capital riot proved, the movement is large, reasonably well organized, and has significant support from those in power (Sens Howley, Cruz, et al; Reps Taylor-Greene, Gosar, Boebert, 100+ other congressmen), and most importantly an aproximately 30-40 million voters. 

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, Kriterion said:

 

Agreed, however the POC babies will grow up to generally have a wider "American" identity. Whether their parents or grandparents identified as Muslim, Korean, Indian, Chinese, etc they will largely end up as professionals in their careers (even if their parents immigrated over as shop keepers or Uber drivers). And statistically speaking, the chance is they will end up in a inter-racial marriage. They will put a Christmas tree ever winter and eat Turkey on Thanksgiving because they will be "American" in terms of their primary identity. Its already happening. We never had a Christmas tree growing up, but my sister puts one up at her house. 

 

There will always be exceptions, but by an large this is how it will most likely go. 

Well by and large thats not how its going amongst the latinos, Chinese, muslims and Indians. While cultural icons are the first to disappear, values are the last. 

We are still seeing the absolute prioritisation of babies + family in these demographics as the dominant majoritarian trend even currently.

And IMO this is why the progressives will lose steam with their pro pedo child mutilating agenda.

 

1 minute ago, Kriterion said:

 

Additionally, I don't think there is any actual evidence of minorities swinging to the Right en masse in the United States.

There is. Look it up or i can supply the data if you wish. 

1 minute ago, Kriterion said:

The electorate overall has actually swung further to left if you look at popular vote difference between Dems and Reps:

 

2020 - Dem +4.4%

2016 - Dem +2.1%'

2012 - Dem +3.9%

2008 - Dem +7.2%

2004 - Rep +2.4%

2000 - Dem +0.5%

1996 - Dem +8.5% (3 way race took votes away from the Reps)

1992 - Dem +5.6% (3 way race again)

 

So the trend I see is a consistent left-shift in terms of presidential elections going back nearly 30 years.

Yes, you are correct but as i said, this is a white centric trend. most whites are swinging left as typical western soceity does in a pendulum swing back and forth eternally between ethical groups, as their primitive perfectionist ethics demands them to over the balance oriented ethics of the east. 

1 minute ago, Kriterion said:

Midterms are much closer because of the voter apathy and lower turnout. The US system is unique because the electorate is more diverse than any other country, and the Electoral College system which results in an indirect election and occaisional anomalies where someone can lose the popular vote and still win the election. 

 

Globally, the right still has the overwhelming balance of power because they are in office in the UK, Australia, India, and Brazil. 

 

well globally the right is not monolithic. Indian right has nothing to do with the anglo-world's right wing,it is much more in line with mainland european or japanese right wing : where right wing is seen as anti globalist + pro patriotic as the two main agendas socially, while being economically left wing, while in the anglo world , right wing is an amalgam of religious conservatives and free market capitalists who wants less regulations. 

 

BJP for example is not analogous to the republicans in USA- its analogous to the republican party in France- where their agenda isnt religion + capitalist deregulation driven along with mistrust of big government, but driven by patriotism and anti-globalization.

 

[Kriterion]

9 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

 

So why would they need to form a new party and lose out on the fence-sitter republican votes who will vote out of brand recognition and loyalty factor alone ??

 

I can't answer that, we'd have to ask Trump who floated the idea. But I would imagine it has something to do with the Trump and the MAGA threat to "primary" the Republicans like McConnell who either didn't support Trump's efforts to win the election or who's support was insufficient. We should probably accept them at their word that they have a distaste for those whom they deem disloyal. 

[Muloghonto]

4 minutes ago, Kriterion said:

 

I don't think Trump will go away that easily. Trump doesn't have to hold office (he's 74 already so no guarantee he would live long enough to run or hold office in 2024 anyways). But a Patriot Party could still be lead by any number of individuals with ambition: Ivanka, Jared, Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller. 

 

It should be noted that the Trump movement now considers the mainstream GOP as untrustworthy because they failed to "stop the steal" and overturn Biden's victory. As the Jan 6 Capital riot proved, the movement is large, reasonably well organized, and has significant support from those in power (Sens Howley, Cruz, et al; Reps Taylor-Greene, Gosar, Boebert, 100+ other congressmen), and most importantly an aproximately 30-40 million voters. 

 

Sure, but i still dont see them being viable for two reasons:

 

1. corporations are unlikely to back them in funding, as they were unlikely to back tea party + libertarians in funding. Especially with the social media monopolies being left leaning, it will be extremely hard to fund-raise and campaign for this new party

 

2. Why turn down free republican loyalist votes ? The mainstream GOP being untrustworthy doesnt change from working within the party or making your new party. If the so-called untrustworthy republicans wont " stop the steal" they wont stop the steal regardless - especially for another party. Instead by forming a new party all they would do is kiss goodbye a certain x% of loyalist republican votes, who will always vote republican coz HURR DURR Lincoln HURR DURR brand loyalty, etc.