Steyn owning Rohit on 2013 SA tour

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, SK_IH said:

What's the purpose of this self loathing thread? Rohit is an ATG Indian batsman & hopefully he gets success in coming test matches. Rohit justified the come to home tag last year when he treated SA bowlers akin to club trundlers. Last year's SA tour was so satisfactory as an Indian fan, SA must have felt what we Indians felt in that 1996 massacre in SA. Proteas were not treated so brutally even in 2015

Start respecting a great Indian batsman instead of putting various filters to prove he is flat track bully. Let's back someone with pedigree.

Rohit is an ATG LO bat..  Just like Dravid is one of our ATG test bat. 

The 2019 series win was very satisfactory indeed.  

This thread was about the crazy level of sledging Saffers did to us in that 2nd test.  Whole team was charged up.  In fact they were all over us right from the ODIs.  Steyn's PC were fiery as well. 

Rahane was brilliant in the 2nd inns deserved a ton.  I remember whole SA team admired his effort.  He surprisingly came out like a fighter. 

[Vilander]

3 hours ago, Gollum said:

Kohli 'great'

Rahane and Pujara decent

Even Bhuvi covers lateral movement better than Ro. 

Kohli is greater than Sanga and pak atg's away. He is almost par with sunny and Sachin may be shade under dravid considering away on the whole. Dont think except the top three three anyone from Asia is better than Kohli away. 

 

In weighted batting avg.

 

"Weighted Batting Average (WBA). In order to negate the huge disadvantage faced by top-order batsmen when it comes to calculating the average, in the WBA:

• All innings ending in dismissals are counted as 1.
• All not-out innings above the average Runs per Innings (RpI) are counted as 1.
• All not out innings below the average RpI are assigned proportionate innings values between 0 and 1.0." 

 

 

[Vilander]

Pls don't tag that poster harris taukeer here  ... there is a reference to you know who in the graphic above....

 

MmmAjid khan

 

[zen]

8 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Kohli is greater than Sanga and pak atg's away. He is almost par with sunny and Sachin may be shade under dravid considering away on the whole. Dont think except the top three three anyone from Asia is better than Kohli away. 

 

S'kara's record could include his performance when playing as a keeper as well. When playing as a specialist batsman, his performance are closer to Smith's .... Also batting in the top order is a challenge esp. outside Asia 

 

PS the above could be an old analysis as it does not factor in players like Smith 

 

PPS Amarnath is missing too in the analysis 

Edited November 19, 2020 by zen

[Vilander]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

 

S'kara's record could include his performance when playing as a keeper as well. When playing as a specialist batsman, his performance are closer to Smith's 

 

Also that could be an old analysis as it does not factor in players like Smith 

Yeah appeared in 2019 article. Does not consider anes bats only Asian. Considers anes bats for performance in Asia seperately

 

And Smith misses out because of his huge not outs. 

 

article is an interesting read here it is.

 

 

 

 

 https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1175355/home-and-away--batsmen-who-travel-well-and-those-who-don-t

[Gollum]

4 hours ago, Vilander said:

 

The only issue is. Steyn had nagpur.. rohit destroyed sa in vizag. And steyn destroyed Ind in Sa series. But steyn did do well in India, thats the issue with Rohit. Now steyn is gone legacy intact in test. Cant get around that truth. Its done. 

Absolutely agree, Steyn is a top level ATG who will be in AT World XI squad, competing with Marshall for place in XI. Rohit is just a decent test player who won't be in contention in AT Ind squad unless he does something miraculous in next 3-4 years. 

 

My post was directed at those who keep undermining our home achievements (like saying Rohit has achieved 'nothing' in his test career). I say take pride in our players' home records, not everyone can become ATG, and most players across the world do much worse in unfamiliar conditions. But still if a player is damn good at home, wins multiple MOS, that must be appreciated. 

[Adamant]

11 hours ago, zen said:

 

S'kara's record could include his performance when playing as a keeper as well. When playing as a specialist batsman, his performance are closer to Smith's .... Also batting in the top order is a challenge esp. outside Asia 

 

PS the above could be an old analysis as it does not factor in players like Smith 

 

PPS Amarnath is missing too in the analysis 

But why are you not considering the fact that sangakkara played as a keeper in the initial part of his career and that low average can be a consequence of a newbie settling in. Just like how kohli and sachin averaged in 30 or low 40s at the start of their career. 

[Adamant]

Steyn is obviously a much bigger player than Sharma will ever be, no doubt about that.

 

[nevada]

2013 was ages ago. Hitman is an ATG ODI batsman now and Dale Steyn got thrashed around like a club bowler in the recent IPL. All he could do was helplessly grin as the ball kept disappearing to the boundary. 

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, nevada said:

2013 was ages ago. Hitman is an ATG ODI batsman now and Dale Steyn got thrashed around like a club bowler in the recent IPL. All he could do was helplessly grin as the ball kept disappearing to the boundary. 

Yeah coz ipl is the holy Grail now. 

[maniac]

10 hours ago, Adamant said:

Steyn is obviously a much bigger player than Sharma will ever be, no doubt about that.

 

Steyn is a test great and an average LoI player, Rohit is a odi and T20 great but an average test player (so far) however Rohit is a greater test player than Steyn the LoI player.

[maniac]

Here is where Rohit is so important in tests

 

Lets say India is chasing 500+ in the last innings 

 

You look at Rahane and think well at least Rahane can add some respectability to this loss

 

You look at Kohli and think one thing is for sure India will not give up without a fight. We might lose but this man will stick it up to the Aussies till the last ball.

 

You look at Pujara and hope if one man can draw this game, it’s Che. Hope he saves the game.

 

Then you realize Rohit is in your line up and then the wheels start spinning. Can we pull this off, May be he will produce another miracle like he usually does. Suddenly the stakes and probability go From 0 to at least 10-15 % chances of winning.

 

This is the definition of an xfactor player and trust me you might disagree with me but this is a fact.

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, maniac said:

Here is where Rohit is so important in tests

 

Lets say India is chasing 500+ in the last innings 

 

You look at Rahane and think well at least Rahane can add some respectability to this loss

 

You look at Kohli and think one thing is for sure India will not give up without a fight. We might lose but this man will stick it up to the Aussies till the last ball.

 

You look at Pujara and hope if one man can draw this game, it’s Che. Hope he saves the game.

 

Then you realize Rohit is in your line up and then the wheels start spinning. Can we pull this off, May be he will produce another miracle like he usually does. Suddenly the stakes and probability go From 0 to at least 10-15 % chances of winning.

 

This is the definition of an xfactor player and trust me you might disagree with me but this is a fact.

In 2nd inns LOL...  Only player who is dynamic enough to pull this off is KL Rahul.  That Oval Test Chase could've happened...  Got out off a ripper from Rashid.  

Rohit may pull a hamstring or two in such a chase...  Let's not overrate  him in Tests 

[nevada]

10 hours ago, Adamant said:

Yeah coz ipl is the holy Grail now. 

It's not. And a 2013 tour in SA isn't the holy Grail either. Point is, every player goes through lows at some point.

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, maniac said:

 

Lets say India is chasing 500+ in the last innings 

 

Lets say we are chasing 500, the match is lost coz 500 has never been chased 

[Adamant]

10 hours ago, maniac said:

Here is where Rohit is so important in tests

 

Lets say India is chasing 500+ in the last innings 

 

You look at Rahane and think well at least Rahane can add some respectability to this loss

 

You look at Kohli and think one thing is for sure India will not give up without a fight. We might lose but this man will stick it up to the Aussies till the last ball.

 

You look at Pujara and hope if one man can draw this game, it’s Che. Hope he saves the game.

 

Then you realize Rohit is in your line up and then the wheels start spinning. Can we pull this off, May be he will produce another miracle like he usually does. Suddenly the stakes and probability go From 0 to at least 10-15 % chances of winning.

 

This is the definition of an xfactor player and trust me you might disagree with me but this is a fact.

Please start watching test cricket. 

Good Lord..... 

[Adamant]

A team of lara, sachin smith won't be able to chase 500 in 4rh innings,, aur yahan Kl Rahul aur Rohit 500 chase kar rahe. 

Ipl mode se bahar aao pls. 

Edited November 21, 2020 by Adamant

[MechEng]

On 11/19/2020 at 6:33 PM, Gollum said:

When SRT retired at the age of 40 before RSA tour many Saffers make sarcastic remarks about him chickening out and choosing an easy opponent in WI at home for his 200th test landmark. Well Steyn did suffer a strange injury after 2015 1st test, then retired a couple of weeks before '19 India tour just after turning 36, could have added experience in that squad but knew what he was up against. No Indian expert/commie/fan mocked him then, difference in culture/class between us and them.

 

Perennial chokers in white ball stuff, ran away like scared kittens on a spicy pitch in '18 Jo'burg begging/pleading before umps to call off the test, non-stop whining about pitch/conditions/hotels by HTB Elgar, and B2B merciless hammerings in India across 7 tests. Hope no RSA cricketer/expert raises his voice henceforth when talking about India, shobha nahi deta unko, aukaat.... 

 

That 2015 series was unreal, Ashwin sending stumps flying like a fast bowler.

[Gollum]

13 hours ago, maniac said:

Lets say India is chasing 500+ in the last innings 

Dunno about you but if target crosses 200 I am switching off my TV. At least in India, Pujara can save us but even in SL we couldn't chase 170 lmao. Bunch of mental midgets this set of batsmen. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

2013 was long back. Rohit ha evolved as a player since then, is nearly there as an LOI ATG. He has earned at least a couple of test in an away series (as an opener) after what he did vs SA when he was asked to open at home. Most likely will fail going by his failure vs the moving ball in LOIs, still he should be given that chance to fail. Who knows, he may turn around his abysmal away record.