All Rounders Do Not Exist Part - II

[Khota]

5 hours ago, bowl_out said:

Top x doesn't mean anything in LOIs. It means a lot in Tests..

 

For LOIs, every batting position requires a different skill. Now list down the top 10 batsmen for a no. 6 and no 7 position. I don't care if it is Pandya or not. But I don't want an Iyer batting there. Nor do I want a Bumrah or Chahal batting there

It makes no sense expecting major score from someone at 6/7 position. At that position you need strike bowlers who make life hell for you to score a single run. pandya does not offer that.

[Khota]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

In a team of accumulators, what he does is try to score quickly in slog overs.  He is a batsman who can bowl. Bowling is his secondary skill. As an all-rounder, you must be good enough in one aspect to be picked on that. Pandya is good enough to be picked as a batsman alone. Yuvraj played with average of 29 for years and lesser strike rate and at the number Pandya usually bats, he averages 29 with over 100 SR, so, he is a must.

If his justification is that he can bat then there are many who can do better than him. It seems we all agree he cannot bowl.

[Khota]

5 hours ago, bowl_out said:

 

You can write a 1000 maybes.

If your best was to always deliver better, you wouldn't be 190/5 in the first place. What's your point

The pont is simple. If Kunal/Hardik bowled 8 to 20 overs you have most likely given the game away. Both of them should not bowl.

[Khota]

5 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

Pandya has not bowled for more than one year now due to injury. Hence, the question arises, whether his batting is enough for him to merit a spot in ODI and T20i. Can he be one of the six best short format batsman? Given his performances in LOI he has done well enough to justify a spot imo. Apart from Dhawan, Sharma and Kohli the batting order was unsettled an year back with spots yet to be cemented by specialist bats and all the hire and fire tactics of Kohli. Since then Rahul has improved upon his weakness by starting to score runs at a faster rate in recent past. Iyer has won few matches but that's a recent acheivement. Pandya meanwhile was performing better as a batsman than both of them if we consider overall LOI matches played by them. Can you name any other batsman who is better than Pandya. We have to consider Pandya has proven performances at international level. The names which may be suggested would be on hopes that a player may do good. In such a scenario why do we need to chuck out a proven short format player. He can be discarded if his batting degrades but that is something for the future if at all it happens.

 

If we notice, Pandya was dropped from playing 11 in Australia test series last year. Now he is dropped altogether from the test squad itself. It will mean that Pandya can play more domestic LOI tournaments rather than being on bench in test squad. This might actually improve his batting in LOI.

If he can walk into team as top 5 bat he is more than welcome. With Rahul/Rohit/Dhawan/Kohli/Mayank/Iyer there is no spot for him. Never say never and if he improves he has all the right in the world to play.

[Straight Drive]

50 minutes ago, Khota said:

If he can walk into team as top 5 bat he is more than welcome. With Rahul/Rohit/Dhawan/Kohli/Mayank/Iyer there is no spot for him. Never say never and if he improves he has all the right in the world to play.

Pandya isn't Yuvraj Singh or Dhoni level to bat in top 5. But he is good enough to bat at  7 and against 6 at times depending on opposition. He is more like Yusuf Pathan. Expect him to hit sixers but not to build a century like Yuvi or Dhoni in middle order. Hasn't reached that level yet.

[Khota]

21 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Pandya isn't Yuvraj Singh or Dhoni level to bat in top 5. But he is good enough to bat at  7 and against 6 at times depending on opposition. He is more like Yusuf Pathan. Expect him to hit sixers but not to build a century like Yuvi or Dhoni in middle order. Hasn't reached that level yet.

If he bats at number 7 then he is expected to bowl. Since he cannot bowl he should not be picked. Not rocket science.

[Straight Drive]

17 minutes ago, Khota said:

If he bats at number 7 then he is expected to bowl. Since he cannot bowl he should not be picked. Not rocket science.

 

He hasn't been bowling for more than a year. True, we have to play someone who bowls at 7. The other option is try to fit Pandya it at 6 and hope he starts to score enough runs. Number 6 is just not about hitting the ball out of ground, so he will also get a good opportunity to prove and score a ODI ton. The demands of batting position may motivate him to play according  to it. Perhaps he will score his first ODI ton soon. He does has an ODI highest of 80 odd, so perhaps an opportunity to bat little bit longer and he may finally make a big score of his own 

[bowl_out]

4 hours ago, Khota said:

It makes no sense expecting major score from someone at 6/7 position. At that position you need strike bowlers who make life hell for you to score a single run. pandya does not offer that.

 

So Bumrah bats at 7?

[Ankit_sharma03]

19 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

 

So Bumrah bats at 7?

 

and yuzi at 8 

Starc, Archer wud be licking their lips ....muft ki wkten 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Batao kya time aa gaya hia England has archer batting at 10 and jordan at 11 in t20s , yaha fans ko 5 ke baad batting hi nahin chahiye

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, Khota said:

If his justification is that he can bat then there are many who can do better than him. It seems we all agree he cannot bowl.

Where did I say he can't bowl?

[Rightarmfast]

10 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Batao kya time aa gaya hia England has archer batting at 10 and jordan at 11 in t20s , yaha fans ko 5 ke baad batting hi nahin chahiye

Cricket does not happen on rhetoric. It is very real and played on the field. There's a certain expertise required to deserve a slot. Pandya is just not good enough. Just to satiate a certain sections fanboyism, you cant put the cricket team at stake. 

Pandya has never been good enough as a complete bowler and neither as a complete batsman. It is actually laughable to even think Pandya should be added over other capable batsmen.

[Ankit_sharma03]

42 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Cricket does not happen on rhetoric. It is very real and played on the field. There's a certain expertise required to deserve a slot.

 

Exactly and 7 is  speciality coz u have to hit from ball 1...none of these top order batsman cant do it , that is an expertise now . The amount of time our top order waste na we actually dont need one but 2 pandya kind of hitters

 

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Pandya is just not good enough. Just to satiate a certain sections fanboyism, you cant put the cricket team at stake. 

 

Ur telling me that someone else is better then pandya in whole to india to come in at 7 n hit from ball 1

 

 

Edited November 24, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Khota]

1 hour ago, bowl_out said:

 

So Bumrah bats at 7?

Let us have Gill bat at 7 and let the opposition score 500. Is that what you are implying?

[Khota]

5 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

 

He hasn't been bowling for more than a year. True, we have to play someone who bowls at 7. The other option is try to fit Pandya it at 6 and hope he starts to score enough runs. Number 6 is just not about hitting the ball out of ground, so he will also get a good opportunity to prove and score a ODI ton. The demands of batting position may motivate him to play according  to it. Perhaps he will score his first ODI ton soon. He does has an ODI highest of 80 odd, so perhaps an opportunity to bat little bit longer and he may finally make a big score of his own 

Why do we have to make exception for him and fit him in when there are so many deserving players waiting.

[Khota]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Where did I say he can't bowl?

You did not but still that does not change the fact he did not bowl.

[Khota]

41 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Exactly and 7 is  speciality coz u have to hit from ball 1...none of these top order batsman cant do it , that is an expertise now . The amount of time our top order waste na we actually dont need one but 2 pandya kind of hitters

 

 

Ur telling me that someone else is better then pandya in whole to india to come in at 7 n hit from ball 1

 

 

Top is not wasting time. They are accumulating and leaving a platform for an assault. You will never get it.

[Khota]

1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said:

Cricket does not happen on rhetoric. It is very real and played on the field. There's a certain expertise required to deserve a slot. Pandya is just not good enough. Just to satiate a certain sections fanboyism, you cant put the cricket team at stake. 

Pandya has never been good enough as a complete bowler and neither as a complete batsman. It is actually laughable to even think Pandya should be added over other capable batsmen.

Pandya fans are insecure lot. Like I mentioned in one of the post to keep him in the team they will have a criteria that no 6 slot belongs to someone who has a mail ordered east european bride.

[bowl_out]

43 minutes ago, Khota said:

Let us have Gill bat at 7 and let the opposition score 500. Is that what you are implying?

 

You are implying that.. not me..

You are saying the No. 7 batsman should be Gill or Bumrah.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

Top is not wasting time. They are accumulating and leaving a platform for an assault. You will never get it.

 

which ur assuming that in doing so they ll never get out doing so or they wont get tired n start mis hitting or they wont loose wkts while doing so 

 

Let me remind

• Ind-ENG worldcup game where kohli n rohit wasted so much time that we lost the game
• Ind-Aus world cup game where Pandya innings pushed aus out of the game despite having starts
• Go n check how many times jadeja has screwed up our good starts coz he cant hit or while chasing remeber how he wasted tendulkar 175 knock

 

Edited November 24, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03