All Rounders Do Not Exist Part - II

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Rightarmfast said:

Buddy, incase your memory is playing tricks, let me remind you Shami took 5 wickets. Bumrah conceded only 44 runs and took 1 wicket. That's 6 wickets from your strike bowlers. 

 

But the so called 'All rounders', rounded it up well for India. Pandya, Jadhav conceded runs, and Chahal had a horrible day. Exactly why you cant trust these so called allrounders!

 

 

Let me remind u a 5th bowler job is to fill the over which he did and never gave to much as main bowlers, IF main bowlers are going for that many he was under 6 he did his job plus made 45 in 22 

 

The problem is ur expecting all rounder to be main bowler that is not the case, hardik is a hitter who is a very good 5th bowling option . 5th bowling option is not suppose to be main wkt taker.

 

So 3 main bowlers went for more runs and an all rounder cant be truestd. May i remind shami n his eco are same.....now ull say shami is a wkt taker...yes thats his job pandya job is to fill overs not be main bowler

 

[Rightarmfast]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

31 is fine bowling avg in test, kapil is 29, zak 32 , ishant 32

Ben stokes bowling avg is also 41 

31 is absolutely fantastic in Test matches. When you have played over 50 test matches. Not when you have played just 11 test matches!

Ben Stokes can have a bowling average of 41, but we are talking in Indian context. 41 is as rubbish an average as they come.

[Rightarmfast]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

Let me remind u a 5th bowler job is to fill the over which he did and never gave to much as main bowlers, IF main bowlers are going for that many he was under 6 he did his job plus made 45 in 22 

 

The problem is ur expecting all rounder to be main bowler that is not the case, hardik is a hitter who is a very good 5th bowling option . 5th bowling option is not suppose to be main wkt taker.

 

So 3 main bowlers went for more runs and an all rounder cant be truestd. May i remind shami n his eco are same.....now ull say shami is a wkt taker...yes thats his job pandya job is to fill overs not be main bowler

 

Let me get this straight, in your own words are you trying to say that the definition of an allrounder is a bits and pieces player who can at most fill up a few overs and make some quick runs?

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Rightarmfast said:

31 is absolutely fantastic in Test matches. When you have played over 50 test matches. Not when you have played just 11 test matches!

 

SO why are u judging as failure also if test matches arent enough 

 

Just now, Rightarmfast said:

Ben Stokes can have a bowling average of 41, but we are talking in Indian context. 41 is as rubbish an average as they come.

ben stokes home conditions are england which are much sujitable for fast bowling(a player plays most % at home)

Pandya home condition is india and its not fine also considering 50 matches is not a very mature career .......wah 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Rightarmfast said:

Let me get this straight, in your own words are you trying to say that the definition of an allrounder is a bits and pieces player who can at most fill up a few overs and make some quick runs?

what is bits n pieces ?? No team plays 5 specialist bowlers ...5th wud be the one filling in it like stonis/maxi, curran bros , Neesham/CDGH, Imad wasim....clearly ur not in touch with modern cricket

Making quick runs in specialist job now welcome to 2020 cricket has changed. When u have less balls left u cant waste time by looking to get in 

 

team are making 350 here ppl are finding solid batsman at 7 , btw which team plays solid batsman at 7 ??? 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Let me get this straight, in your own words are you trying to say that the definition of an allrounder is a bits and pieces player who can at most fill up a few overs and make some quick runs?

if u think its an easy job make kohli , rohit do it and their career will go nowhere....rohit career neways at 4 was going nowhere. Even guys like samson, gill hasnt done well at that slot on 7. Yuvi career was full of up n down till he was at 6.....his peak started when he was promoted at 4 ....so yea it is a specialist job

Have u forgotten the days when jadeja batted at 7 n screwed god know how many games

Edited November 25, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Rightarmfast]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

why do u need a solid player at 7 btw ? At 7 u need someone who scores quick and play high risk game ...high risk game is gamble only 

 

Rhetoric's ?? Really , wait let me break it down for u 

 

These days teams are looking to make - 350 

How manys balls are in ODI - 300

Our top ODI batsman rohit sharma for 1st 10 overs bat at 73 s/r 

Iyer another Slow starter 

Jadeja s/r at 7 is 82 

Kohli also goes crazy only in last few overs

 

Now do that math in number of balls u have wasted in 300 and then ur target was already 350 , so thats means we ll some how have to score 350 runs in 250 balls 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My cute brother, clearly you are confused between pacing an innings and strike rate. The top order needs to give solidity to the team, and going blizkrig is not the answer. While Rohit Sharma's strike rate between 0-50 is 72, his strike rate between 50-100 is 123.9. And if he is able to cross that, the strike rate between 100-150 is 217! 

You have yourself confessed Kohli goes crazy towards the end. Which is a smart thing to do :) Why would you want to risk wickets at the cost of trying to score fast? That is poor strategy. 

The example about Pandya's innings against Pakistan is one that I find a little silly. By that time, the game was already over. There was no pressure. I can cite another example, Robin Singh's innings against Australia in the World Cup. That man destroyed Aussie bowling. But it was only done when there was no pressure. I am sure you know well enough that when theres no pressure of winning, you can just go all out. 

I dont trust Pandya scoring well against good solid bowling on good pitches. And he wont. Scoring a quick 15-20 is zilch.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Rightarmfast said:

My cute brother, clearly you are confused between pacing an innings and strike rate. The top order needs to give solidity to the team, and going blizkrig is not the answer. While Rohit Sharma's strike rate between 0-50 is 72, his strike rate between 50-100 is 123.9. And if he is able to cross that, the strike rate between 100-150 is 217! 

 

Aww i know but will that happen every day ? No 

in 229 matches he has 29 hundred and daddy 100 must be 10 which is when he goes crazy....so what about the other games....ur assuming he willl implement this every game

and may i remind in that India-aus game where top 3 scored yet it was pandya innings that made total winning 

 

Just now, Rightarmfast said:

You have yourself confessed Kohli goes crazy towards the end. Which is a smart thing to do :) Why would you want to risk wickets at the cost of trying to score fast? That is poor strategy. 

 

again that doesnt work every day , Ind-eng wc game example both their innings went no where, Ind-aus innings pandya innings took them some where else 

Take rohit 137 in aus in 2015 our total went no were 

 

Just now, Rightarmfast said:

The example about Pandya's innings against Pakistan is one that I find a little silly. By that time, the game was already over. There was no pressure.

 

so ur telling me he hit those guys coz there was no preassure....he hit such spinners for fun. No player enters the field thinking game is over. 

 

Just now, Rightarmfast said:

 

I can cite another example, Robin Singh's innings against Australia in the World Cup. That man destroyed Aussie bowling. But it was only done when there was no pressure.

 

If ur talking about 1999 game , again how was the game over since he n jaddu had a great partnership....game was only over coz they lacked self beilef in those days

 

Just now, Rightarmfast said:

I dont trust Pandya scoring well against good solid bowling on good pitches. And he wont. Scoring a quick 15-20 is zilch.

 

thats ur personal issue but u cant expect someone to play high risk game and then ask for solidity....risk n safety dont go hand in hand

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

 

I dont trust Pandya scoring well against good solid bowling on good pitches. And he wont. Scoring a quick 15-20 is zilch.

Do u expect from kohli rohit to score from ball 1 , no they cant...so why to expect 2 jobs from pandya

Kohli n rohit hve their jobs n pandya his

 

15-20 , ru telling me he has only scored 15-20 in his career.

[Rightarmfast]

13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

SO why are u judging as failure also if test matches arent enough 

 

ben stokes home conditions are england which are much sujitable for fast bowling(a player plays most % at home)

Pandya home condition is india and its not fine also considering 50 matches is not a very mature career .......wah 

Its not a mature career, yet you seem to show so much confidence :)

 

Just an fyi that Pandya's bowling average in england is close to 56!

And I think you need to read my point on test match averages one more time. You will get the point I was making.

[Rightarmfast]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Aww i know but will that happen every day ? No 

in 229 matches he has 29 hundred and daddy 100 must be 10 which is when he goes crazy....so what about the other games....ur assuming he willl implement this every game

and may i remind in that India-aus game where top 3 scored yet it was pandya innings that made total winning 

 

 

again that doesnt work every day , Ind-eng wc game example both their innings went no where, Ind-aus innings pandya innings took them some where else 

Take rohit 137 in aus in 2015 our total went no were 

 

 

so ur telling me he hit those guys coz there was no preassure....he hit such spinners for fun. No player enters the field thinking game is over. 

 

 

If ur talking about 1999 game , again how was the game over since he n jaddu had a great partnership....game was only over coz they lacked self beilef in those days

 

 

thats ur personal issue but u cant expect someone to play high risk game and then ask for solidity....risk n safety dont go hand in hand

You can't trust Rohit and Kohli to play big innings, but you trust Pandya to come hit everytime against strong bowling units? I got nothing more to say :)

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

You can't trust Rohit and Kohli to play big innings, but you trust Pandya to come hit everytime against strong bowling units? I got nothing more to say :)

 

No i said rohit n kohlu cant come n hit an old ball from ball 1 every day . So other shudnt be expected to do their job. Its a team everyone has a job. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Its not a mature career, yet you seem to show so much confidence :)

 

Eye for talent, i also backed kl when he was all declared finished. I back pant as much, u need match winners and these guys are the ones

2 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

 

Just an fyi that Pandya's bowling average in england is close to 56!

And I think you need to read my point on test match averages one more time. You will get the point I was making.

FYI Pandya bowling avg in england test is the best by any indian bowler in last 20 yrs . 

[Khota]

5 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

Yes, you are correct that having batting numbers similar to Yusuf Pathan isn't good as Pathan should not be benchmark. He looked in very good touch in IPL but It's going to be incredibly tough to do all of that against the Aussie bowlers, backed by their better fielding as compared to that in IPL and on relatively bigger grounds.  The matches are starting soon i.e. this Friday. Hope he strikes good form.

He may score run but don't expect him to do anything worthwhile with ball.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

YP wasnt an India material 

He has a 100 in SA

 

 

 

 

 

Have u seen these 2 innings 

 

 

He did not deserve a spot and correctly so. Anyone can have a good day. It is about consistency.

[Khota]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

I know that those are better bowlers but Pandya is not a bowler he is power hitter who does fifth bowlers job

|HE scored 45 in 33 balls in that game did his job, his eco was 2nd best did his job when ur main bowlers are going for runs and not taking wkts. Since ur adamant on comparing did ur bowler also made 45 runs 

 

So being spinners makes yuzi n kulcha less spinners, when there was no help in Ct final u were to harsh on ashwin. Remeber u have defened bhajji for eco when he took 0 wkts in one whole tournament

 

 

Proper pacer ?? 

U had shami against england yet they scored 300, bumrah was there

U had bhuvi against pak yet they scored 300+ what more pacer do u need

 

IF not for pandya india wud have been all out under 100 against pakistan

 

 

 U dnt even knw the basics like white ball red ball, s./r ...the amount off show off u do when no one in fans of any international captain agrees with u is to much....if no one is following urfollish time to learn they are ridiculously **** 

Thanks! No need to go round and round.

 

Shammi and Bumrah had good game and they both did their job. The third pace bowler could not do his. If there was a proper pace bowler that day it would have been game over for England.

 

It is just not Pandya, anyone who is a hack for pace bowling will struggle. What did Stokes do that day?? Go check. Is it a coincidence?

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Buddy, incase your memory is playing tricks, let me remind you Shami took 5 wickets. Bumrah conceded only 44 runs and took 1 wicket. That's 6 wickets from your strike bowlers. 

But the so called 'All rounders', rounded it up well for India. Pandya, Jadhav conceded runs, and Chahal had a horrible day. Exactly why you cant trust these so called allrounders!

You have made the point yourself what the OP was trying to make.

You are arguing with someone who does not know how much effort goes to become a pace bowler. He does not understand to be a proper pace bowler is a dedicated full time job not a half ass effort tha Pandya puts out.

[Khota]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Eye for talent, i also backed kl when he was all declared finished. I back pant as much, u need match winners and these guys are the ones

FYI Pandya bowling avg in england test is the best by any indian bowler in last 20 yrs . 

Along with your backing of Murali and Dhoni. You are gifted indeed.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, Khota said:

He did not deserve a spot and correctly so. Anyone can have a good day. It is about consistency.

 

When u get a 100 in SA na , deserving goes out of window

 

3 hours ago, Khota said:

Along with your backing of Murali and Dhoni. You are gifted indeed.

 

Murali has tough runs overseas ....ohh yea i forgot u dnt watch test cricket. Murali has a 100 in england , aus ...let me knw when dhawan gets  a 50 in england ohh wait he cant his test career is over

Dhoni is an ATG 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

Thanks! No need to go round and round.

 

Shammi and Bumrah had good game and they both did their job. The third pace bowler could not do his. If there was a proper pace bowler that day it would have been game over for England.

 

Shami n bumrah arent proper pace bowlers ?? IF anything england weakness is wrist spin 

 

3 hours ago, Khota said:

 

It is just not Pandya, anyone who is a hack for pace bowling will struggle. What did Stokes do that day?? Go check. Is it a coincidence?

 

pandya is miles better player of pull , hook n cut. Dont even let me show what stokes has done ...he has 254 in Sa.....Add dhawan n rohit runs in Sa for 2 tours they ll still not add to 254