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'Delhi Chalo' movement/farmers protest


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1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

 

Yes, what has been the mortality rate, child birth survival rate in those 1000s of years? Do you want to go back to state or survive better in modern times where one feeds off the other. How do you think World population increased with contribution of all humans?

I'm just saying that food is the most important thing (along with water) and those people who provide it should be respected and not thought of as illiterate savages.

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2 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

I'm just saying that food is the most important thing (along with water) and those people who provide it should be respected and not thought of as illiterate savages.

 

Everybody is equally important, it doesn't give one set of people hold the nation at ransom. What if everybody feels that way and get on the street for injustice. That sense of entitlement should be rejected. It doesn't mean we are calling farmers illiterate. They should also act responsible and negotiate what's best for everybody. Not to demand repeal of laws.

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3 hours ago, Ranvir said:

Humans have survived for tens of thousands of years without the Police, Army, Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers. Without farmers we would go back to being hunter gatherers.

Humor us here since we're talking absurd hypotheticals, what does the Indian farmer do without the Army protecting him ? Does he embrace a slave life under greater China/Pak once the neighbours smell the coffee or does he fight back their tanks with his tractor/buffalo ?

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7 hours ago, Ranvir said:

You can say what you want about farmers but no farmers - no food - people dead. They play a much bigger role in society than any engineer, lawyer, IT worker.

 

They play a bigger role in the basics. But because its the basics, they are also replacable quite easily. Farming is a low skill job. Period.

 

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5 hours ago, Khota said:

UK at the turn of last century was most develped/industrialized country. They grew enough for themselves. And that is all they needed. Now they have turned away to financial models but that is besides the point. India still is a developing country and all genuine farmers with land need to be gauranteed MSP.

 

Which other country has guaranteed MSP ? Why is it needed now when it has never been guaranteed ?

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16 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

They play a bigger role in the basics. But because its the basics, they are also replacable quite easily. Farming is a low skill job. Period.

 

You are an elitist.

 

These are the words you have for farmers:

 

Illiterate.

Replaceable

Terrorist

Akhantwadi

Angutha chaap.

 

you are a hater.

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1 hour ago, Clarke said:

Humor us here since we're talking absurd hypotheticals, what does the Indian farmer do without the Army protecting him ? Does he embrace a slave life under greater China/Pak once the neighbours smell the coffee or does he fight back their tanks with his tractor/buffalo ?

 

Who was the famous general who said "Army does not march on empty stomach."

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3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

 

Yes, what has been the mortality rate, child birth survival rate in those 1000s of years? Do you want to go back to state or survive better in modern times where one feeds off the other. How do you think World population increased with contribution of all humans?

Society developed when people learned farming.

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40 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

They play a bigger role in the basics. But because its the basics, they are also replacable quite easily. Farming is a low skill job. Period.

 

I dont know about other states but in Punjab the vast majority of farmers own their own land. So how do you grow food without land?

 

Not so replaceable.

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3 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

I dont know about other states but in Punjab the vast majority of farmers own their own land. So how do you grow food without land?

 

Not so replaceable.

 

Whether a job is replacable or not is determined by simple supply and demand of the workers. Farming is the most replacable job there is - its LITERALLY one of the lowest skill jobs on the planet - which is why it is done very well by people who are illiterate the world over.

 

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33 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

Whether a job is replacable or not is determined by simple supply and demand of the workers. Farming is the most replacable job there is - its LITERALLY one of the lowest skill jobs on the planet - which is why it is done very well by people who are illiterate the world over.

 

You are a simpleton. In Europe farmers are considered to be among the upper echelons of society. Likewise in Punjab, many are very rich.

 

You haven't answered the question, how do you grow food without land?

 

Why dont all the dirt poor illiterate people take up farming then? At least they can grow their own food. They can't, because they have no land. Land (especially fertile land) is one of the most precious resources in the world.

 

Punjab is not some feudal system or serfdom where rich landlords exploit poor farmers.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

You are a simpleton. In Europe farmers are considered to be among the upper echelons of society. Likewise in Punjab, many are very rich.

Which is why the rich dalaals want their scam job to remain as it is. 

Farmers in Europe are rich because farmers in Europe own a massive amount of land per capita. India's model of farmers to follow isnt Europe - not unless you DO want corporate takeover and farm sizes to ballon to 10 hectares per capita farm land to farmers. Our model to follow is actually China. 

7 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

You haven't answered the question, how do you grow food without land?

We dont. The moment farmers hold land hostage, they end up dead and easily replaced. As it has been through all of history. 

7 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

Why dont all the dirt poor illiterate people take up farming then?

Most of the worlds farmers are dirt poor illiterate ones and have been through most of human history. 

7 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

At least they can grow their own food. They can't, because they have no land. Land (especially fertile land) is one of the most precious resources in the world.

Growing your own food is one of the lowest skill job known to mankind, you cant run away from this. Land exists. Workers exist. If the landords want a fight - ok. We can see from history what happens when the farmers have tried to hold the rest of society hostage. Thankfully history doesnt have too much of this santa-banta type retarded farmer rebellions because the result is obvious and usually decisive. 

7 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

Punjab is not some feudal system or serfdom where rich landlords exploit poor farmers.

 

 

Thats exactly what it is, which is why the migrant farmers from UP and Bihar work the land while you fat cats sit on massage chairs in Singur and whine like babies to rob these same farmers of having more options. 

 

Your other side of the border Punjab is THE MOST feudal system of farming in the entire subcontinent where less than 1000 families own 90% of the farmland. Its a culture problem with Punjabis, particularly Jutts and we have noticed it. 

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10 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Which is why the rich dalaals want their scam job to remain as it is. 

Farmers in Europe are rich because farmers in Europe own a massive amount of land per capita. India's model of farmers to follow isnt Europe - not unless you DO want corporate takeover and farm sizes to ballon to 10 hectares per capita farm land to farmers. Our model to follow is actually China. 

We dont. The moment farmers hold land hostage, they end up dead and easily replaced. As it has been through all of history. 

Most of the worlds farmers are dirt poor illiterate ones and have been through most of human history. 

Growing your own food is one of the lowest skill job known to mankind, you cant run away from this. Land exists. Workers exist. If the landords want a fight - ok. We can see from history what happens when the farmers have tried to hold the rest of society hostage. Thankfully history doesnt have too much of this santa-banta type retarded farmer rebellions because the result is obvious and usually decisive. 

Thats exactly what it is, which is why the migrant farmers from UP and Bihar work the land while you fat cats sit on massage chairs in Singur and whine like babies to rob these same farmers of having more options. 

 

Your other side of the border Punjab is THE MOST feudal system of farming in the entire subcontinent where less than 1000 families own 90% of the farmland. Its a culture problem with Punjabis, particularly Jutts and we have noticed it. 

 

You can't just go and take people's land, that's not how the law works, it's 2021 and India is not China or the USSR. 

 

If the farmers want to convert their land into houses or something else there is nothing stopping them, in fact many farmers have sold their land which is next to main roads to hotels and marriage venues, making a very tidy sum in the process. It's their land and they can do whatever they want to with it.

 

Try growing your own food in your tiny back garden, let's see if its enough to sustain you and your family. No land, no food.

 

Those biharis working on Punjabi farms are labourers, they are not serfs, neither do they rent the land from landowners.

As usual you just make up things.

 

What has Pakistan Punjab got to do with things? Sikh Punjabis and Pakistani Punjabis are two very different people with a distinct culture.

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3 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

 

You can't just go and take people's land, that's not how the law works, it's 2021 and India is not China or the USSR. 

If farmers hold land hostage, then forget USSR or China, every single society goes Chingis Khan on them. And has. 

3 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

If the farmers want to convert their land into houses or something else there is nothing stopping them, in fact many farmers have sold their land which is next to main roads to hotels and marriage venues, making a very tidy sum in the process. It's their land and they can do whatever they want to with it.

They cannot. 

Zoning laws exist and turning farmland into non farmland is not just a national security threat but also illegal in India. Glad you admit - like the Kaneda Khalistani here- that Punjabis have been circumventing the law for personal gain. 

 

3 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

 

Try growing your own food in your tiny back garden, let's see if its enough to sustain you and your family. No land, no food.

The land exists. You hold land hostage == you die. As is the record in history for every single society where farmers have been santa-banta enough to try this. 

3 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

Those biharis working on Punjabi farms are labourers, they are not serfs, neither do they rent the land from landowners.

As usual you just make up things.

They are for all effective purposes, landless farmers bonded to these rich fat pagrees. Effectively serfs. 

3 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

What has Pakistan Punjab got to do with things? Sikh Punjabis and Pakistani Punjabis are two very different people with a distinct culture.

You have more similarity in culture with those across the Wagah than those south of Delhi. Its you culture's problem. And we will solve it, dont worry. 

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24 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

If farmers hold land hostage, then forget USSR or China, every single society goes Chingis Khan on them. And has. 

They cannot. 

Zoning laws exist and turning farmland into non farmland is not just a national security threat but also illegal in India. Glad you admit - like the Kaneda Khalistani here- that Punjabis have been circumventing the law for personal gain. 

 

The land exists. You hold land hostage == you die. As is the record in history for every single society where farmers have been santa-banta enough to try this. 

They are for all effective purposes, landless farmers bonded to these rich fat pagrees. Effectively serfs. 

You have more similarity in culture with those across the Wagah than those south of Delhi. Its you culture's problem. And we will solve it, dont worry. 

We will solve it? :phehe:

What are you going to do eating fish in Canada?

 

The farmers selling their land to hotels and marriage venues is so widespread that if there was any law against it, something would have been done. 

 

Nope we really don't have much in common with Pakistani Muslims, not even language these days. They have their feudal system and Sharia Law, we have neither. In fact we eliminated them from our lands unlike you Hindu Bengalis who were placid when getting your asses hand to you by Bangladeshis in Noakhali and now you are inviting them to settle in your land and letting them bully you. Always cowards. That's why you have to vote for illiterate fools like Modi, because you messed up big time in 1947. You're still suffering the muslim problem, we got rid of it a long time ago despite being heavily outnumbered by them in Punjab.

 

West Bengal has always been an impoverished state with more than double the poverty of Punjab.  And yes we don't have anything in common with people South or East of Delhi and neither do we want to, just like how a Norwegian has little to nothing in common with a Greek. Your culture is one that causes mass poverty. Your people have already seen the consequences of food running out in the 1940s.

 

The biharis are immigrant labourers and that's it, no different to labourers on a construction site. Next you will be calling Eastern European fruit pickers in the UK serfs, such is your logic.

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