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4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

In t20 anyone can win ,shorter the format the better chance weak sides have

thats generally true but still you need at least a couple of really good players. like rashid/mujeeb for afg

 

pak right now has three inexperienced pacers and two darters. but usman qadir looked quality against zimboks and hafeez is going through a purple patch now, so I guess its still possible

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10 minutes ago, the don said:

Pakistan has a great record in nz. 

They have won 7 test series in kiwiland. 

India have won just 1 test in nz in the last 45 years. Won't be surprised if they pull of a surprise. 

\Kiwis have their best ever test team in history now, plus pakistan don't really have the kind of pacers they used to have. Can still happen, but I'll be surprised

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26 minutes ago, the don said:

Pakistan has a great record in nz. 

They have won 7 test series in kiwiland. 

India have won just 1 test in nz in the last 45 years. Won't be surprised if they pull of a surprise. 

No it'll be surprising for sure.  Kiwis have been their favourite whipping boys for decades but The trend has changed since 2011 in all 3 formats.  They have not beaten them in Tests both home & away since then. 

India has choked in the last 45 years in few tests there.  Last tour we lost due to Captain Panauti losing crucial tosses again & again & no swing bowler. 

Pakistan has Abbas & Shaheen both move the ball so they can be a threat if they win the toss.  Likes of Naseem & Musa will be carted around.  Hit the deck bowlers don't work there. 

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15 hours ago, the don said:

Pakistan has a great record in nz. 

They have won 7 test series in kiwiland. 

India have won just 1 test in nz in the last 45 years. Won't be surprised if they pull of a surprise. 

That was a different era, Pakistan team was always better than Kiwi those days and had psychological edge . lately NZL team has been far better than Pakistan particularly in their own background. Now anything less 2-0 series win for NZL will be an upset. 

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23 hours ago, Cricketphile said:

If New Zealand beats Pakistan 2-0, then India needs to win 5 tests out of the remaining 8 tests (or win 4 and draw 3 atleast).

Too many folks are assuming India will easily blank England 4-0 at home - that's not a given by any stretch.

 

India need to do their damndest to defend BG trophy, else its chances of making the TC Final are kaput.

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15 hours ago, the don said:

Pakistan has a great record in nz. 

They have won 7 test series in kiwiland. 

India have won just 1 test in nz in the last 45 years. Won't be surprised if they pull of a surprise. 

 

5 minutes ago, First class said:

That was a different era, Pakistan team was always better than Kiwi those days and had psychological edge . lately NZL team has been far better than Pakistan particularly in their own background. Now anything less 2-0 series win for NZL will be an upset. 

 

Pakistan enjoyed a first-movers advantage when it came to executing reverse - the heady results of the 90s owe a lot to this. I'm going to set aside the question of how much the ball was "worked on" or not.  

 

Once reverse swing became less a mystery and more of just another skill and bowling tool, Pakistani bowlers have consistently struggled to live up the "phaast bowling factory" mythology.  

 

That being said, a 120k guy like Abbas should be effective in NZ, and the rest are reasonably decent.  But the batting - well, we all know what Pakistan batting is about these days - and with Babar Azam out injured....

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