Is Pant good enough to be played as a batsman in tests?

[zen]

26 minutes ago, maniac said:

ranji is not the be all and end all for selections.

 

As you said Sachin was a once in a life time talent that couldn’t be ignored and was given a shot early .

 

guys like Kumble, Kambli, Azhar, A Jadeja etc were also fast tracked early even though they spent a couple more years more than Sachin.

 

on the other spectrum VVS was scoring tons of runs in domestics, Ganguly was a failure when he was fast tracked, had to go back and earn his stripes, also was from influential family so that helped too. That’s another angle of some corruption/nepotism too but greatest example of that thing turning out great since MAK Pataudi.

 

Dravid,Pujara were given a shot after performances in domestics that couldn’t be ignored.

 

Ravindra Jadeja was bossing domestics. He took some time to find his niche but there might have been others who we think as ordinary now but  may not have gotten the same chances.

 

Ishant, Virat, Rohit,Ashwin and to some extent Rahane  were also  fast tracked early in recent times.

 

Bumrah too was given a shot with limited domestic experience relatively speaking but again he stood out in shorter formats.

 

Pant, Gill etc and some of the above names were also u-19 superstars along with great domestic performances.

Vijay,Dhawan were also scoring tons of runs in domestics and stood out every year .

 

Now on the other extreme we saw some guys like Varun C, Dube, Natarajan and even SDP getting picked due to freakish talent ignoring their FC records or tenure.

 

Dhoni was actually picked on domestic stats. People who saw his batting style and keeping called him a hack. It was his Ranji and domestic stats that earned him his chances.

 

Indian cricket is not binary and that is good. lot of good and bad with every great organization.
 

So far it has been on an upward curve since 80’s so not sure again what your complain is?

 

Should lower tier teams improve their quality? Absolutely  they should. It happens organically. 
 

For that you need good admins with great integrity and intent but that still doesn’t get the job done.

 

you need $$$.  That comes from IPL and international broadcast rights. That money is disbursed to everyone and is reinvested.

 

As you can see now, people are coming in from remote and rural areas which means things are working. You can’t expect miracles overnight.

 

 

Once again the point is that Ranji is a low quality tournament. It is not that quality cricketers cannot be found in low quality tournaments (every test playing country has produced some quality players) .... For Ranji #s to be more meaningful, the quality of the tournament needs to improve

Edited December 16, 2020 by zen

[gattaca]

3 hours ago, zen said:

 

I do not rate quality of Ranji Trophy as high since quality gets spread across 38 teams esp. considering the “longer” format  (Ind can't even put a quality test 11 at times)  .... IPL, I rate it highly because quality players (Ind + international) are distributed among 8 teams. Shorter format allows more players to be competitive 

 

It appears that you have made some random connection based on the word "domestic" w/o even considering formats. Making an effort to understand the context could have saved you some time on your post

 

 

 

you seems to ignore my post about Pujara. Do you think he would have been in Indian team if not for Ranjis ? Ranji trophy gives opportunity to youngsters to perform gill, Shaw and even pant performed well in ranji and then they made it to Indian team. Even the younger bowlers like Tyagi and Saini made their mark in Ranji. Ranji still is a good selection criteria for test cricket. Of course tough for IPL fans to understand test cricket though. 

[zen]

27 minutes ago, gattaca said:

 

you seems to ignore my post about Pujara. Do you think he would have been in Indian team if not for Ranjis ? Ranji trophy gives opportunity to youngsters to perform gill, Shaw and even pant performed well in ranji and then they made it to Indian team. Even the younger bowlers like Tyagi and Saini made their mark in Ranji. Ranji still is a good selection criteria for test cricket.

 

The point is that Ranji is low quality cricket in general not that quality cricketers cannot be found playing in it .... Any domestic tourney of any test playing country will have some quality players 

 

 

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Of course tough for IPL fans to understand test cricket though. 

 

I have no time for your dumb assumptions .... Writing random stuff is not going to get your anywhere but only make the the person you quoted feel as if you wasted his/her time ..

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Nope. That'll be the end of his international career. His batting stats aside, he's played as a wk-batsman all his life and would not fit in the mould of a pure batsman.

 

Remember how they forced him to play a specialist middle order batsman in the WC (only to protect Dhoni). Pant's LOI batting went further downhill from then on. Don't want that to be done to his Test batting.

 

If he's good enough pick him ahead of Saha. If he's not good enough (as per his coach and captain) despite scoring a FC 100 in his last innings, they should stop pretending they want him in the team

[zen]

Now test 100s in Eng, Aus, & SA

[zen]

Turning out to be Ind's most reliable test batsman at the moment@

[nitinbwj]

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