BacktoCricaddict Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 7 hours ago, express bowling said: Accountability seems to be totally missing in Indian cricket. In a professional setup, if you don't deliver for a certain length of time you should be removed. Not happening in Indian cricket since 2011. Enuff said. Link to comment
Austin 3:!6 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Actually its the fault of we fans who has made Indian players larger than life super heroes. Today Virat Kohli is in every billboard in every nuke and corner of India. He is infact bigger than Indian cricket itself whose fan girls would trade hundreds of such defeats than see him go. There is absolutely no way BCCI can do anything about it. He is immovable as Indian cricket captain even though he has won nothing - no ICC trophy/ no IPL etc. No ex players/media will question him because they dont want to risk losing their job.In Pakistan, Sarfraz Ahmed loses his captaincy just a year after winning Champions trophy. Can you imagine an Indian captain asked to go a year later winning an ICC event? Lol. Dhoni played 2 world cups for free because of winning in 2011. And Kohli is invincible even without winning anything. That is the culture of Indian cricket where hero worshipping presides everything.Remember similar threads and doom & gloom conversation we were having after that semi final defeat last year. What happened or changed since? Nothing. Only Sanjay Bangar got sacrificed. Same coach, same staff, same kaptaan, same big statements and same defeats. Nothing will happen after this series as well.We have to just accept the fact we are no longer producing top talents like we used to do before. In this t20 era we simply dont have the batsman capable enough to play genuine seam bowling. If you look closely, most dismissals today were due to poking the ball with hard hands. When ball swings, you play as late as possible with soft hands and dont reach out for it. But all our batsman play with hard hands like in LOI cricket which will never work. Forget about elite batsmen of past, even likes of Akash Chopra and Shiv Sundar Das had better technique. Cricket has changed...our current generation is no doubt very good at power hitting and hitting big sixes (thanks to IPL)...but dont have the technique to play genuine seam bowling anymore. Its a fact we have to accept and move on.Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Sgattick10, Forever Indian, chewy and 4 others 7 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) am i disappointed ? yes, but a little only, because of getting so badly beaten. why not overly disappointed? because the result was expected with proven failures like Rahane & Pujara being the pillars of this team . Edited December 20, 2020 by rtmohanlal Link to comment
The Realist Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said: Actually its the fault of we fans who has made Indian players larger than life super heroes. Today Virat Kohli is in every billboard in every nuke and corner of India. He is infact bigger than Indian cricket itself whose fan girls would trade hundreds of such defeats than see him go. There is absolutely no way BCCI can do anything about it. He is immovable as Indian cricket captain even though he has won nothing - no ICC trophy/ no IPL etc. No ex players/media will question him because they dont want to risk losing their job. In Pakistan, Sarfraz Ahmed loses his captaincy just a year after winning Champions trophy. Can you imagine an Indian captain asked to go a year later winning an ICC event? Lol. Dhoni played 2 world cups for free because of winning in 2011. And Kohli is invincible even without winning anything. That is the culture of Indian cricket where hero worshipping presides everything. Remember similar threads and doom & gloom conversation we were having after that semi final defeat last year. What happened or changed since? Nothing. Only Sanjay Bangar got sacrificed. Same coach, same staff, same kaptaan, same big statements and same defeats. Nothing will happen after this series as well. We have to just accept the fact we are no longer producing top talents like we used to do before. In this t20 era we simply dont have the batsman capable enough to play genuine seam bowling. If you look closely, most dismissals today were due to poking the ball with hard hands. When ball swings, you play as late as possible with soft hands and dont reach out for it. But all our batsman play with hard hands like in LOI cricket which will never work. Forget about elite batsmen of past, even likes of Akash Chopra and Shiv Sundar Das had better technique. Cricket has changed...our current generation is no doubt very good at power hitting and hitting big sixes (thanks to IPL)...but dont have the technique to play genuine seam bowling anymore. Its a fact we have to accept and move on. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Agree with almost everything apart from the final reference to the current generation being able to hit big. I think even that is lacking as can be seen with the dismal Ind T20 squads, domestic lower order big hitters are almost nonexistent. A decade of IPL and yet all teams rely on the overseas players to make the big scores. Sgattick10, Austin 3:!6 and nevada 1 2 Link to comment
WGG Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 13 hours ago, Gollum said: LINK 1 LINK 2 “I don’t think we have ever had a worse batting performance than this. So we can only go upwards from here and you will see guys stepping up and realising their true characters,” Kohli said in the post-match press conference after his team lost the first Test to Australia by eight wickets. The Indian captain desperately tried but looked at pains to defend the indefensible — another inept overseas batting show with six successive scores of less than 250 just this year. “It’s a strange one to be honest in my opinion. The ball didn’t do much but we didn’t have too much intent of going out there and taking the game forward,” he lamented. “Everything happened so quickly that no one could make any sense of it,” Kohli was unable to fathom what hit his team. Under Kohli, save the 2018 series in Australia, the Indian team has had way too many batting collapses including six on the trot, starting with New Zealand early this year, but strangely the skipper felt there isn’t anything alarming about it. “I don’t think it’s alarming and we can very well sit here and make a mountain out of a molehill, it’s basically looking at things in the right perspective,” he reasoned. In fact, there has been close to 15 innings in SENA countries (South Africa, England, New Zealand and Australia) where the team has failed but the skipper could remember only six in 8-9 years. “You have just spoken about five or six batting collapses in 8 to 9 years if I am not wrong. There will definitely be collapses again and again and we have to accept our mistakes and what we need to work on. “This is not club level cricket and obviously there is a lot of pressure involved at different stages and as batsmen, we take pride in doing our job for the team. We are not vulnerable to getting out cheaply or vulnerable to a collapse,” the skipper asserted. He acknowledged the strategic mistakes by his teammates. “We played enough cricket to understand what needs to be done at different stages in a Test match. It’s just lack of executing a plan which is apt for that situation on Day 3,” he said. “We arrived today with 9 wickets in hand. We should have definitely put in a stronger batting performance. I don’t think any mental fatigue is involved and I don’t think that’s a factor,” he ruled out the burnout aspect completely. While Josh Hazlwood and Pat Cummins were brilliant in their lines and lengths, the skipper felt that they didn’t do anything different compared to the first innings. “Look they bowled similar lengths in the first innings also. We were just better in terms of handling it and having a plan around it how to go about it.’’ Kohli admitted that once again, India let the Australian tail wag, allowing the home team to reach 191 from 111 for 7 at one stage with as many as four catches being dropped during the innings. “It was very crucial. I think they were 7 down for 110 when Tim Paine offered a chance. Teams will not offer you opportunities again and again, you have to grab it when they come your way.’’ This is standard India overseas. Pathetic. No courage. Link to comment
ThirtyD. Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 If Indian board hit a bullseye by elevating an inexperienced MSD to captaincy, then they have undone all that by automatically handing over captaincy to Virat due to his (then) god level batting form and ability. I know it’s hindsight, but it seems like there wasn’t lot of thought put in for which direction was our team to be headed. It almost feels like Indian board wanted to replace star captain with a star player. Austin 3:!6 1 Link to comment
kosingh Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 As much as I want Virat to be relieved of captaincy, there is no one ready to take over in tests. It's a mess. Austin 3:!6 1 Link to comment
South_Paw Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Just wondering how Kohli would handlr the press if he gets back to back white washes like Dhoni had. Guess will do a BC, MC show there. Link to comment
Stan AF Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 12 hours ago, express bowling said: Accountability seems to be totally missing in Indian cricket. In a professional setup, if you don't deliver for a certain length of time you should be removed. Not happening in Indian cricket since 2011. He has learnt that from his predecessor Annan Dhoniaar express bowling 1 Link to comment
Bigg Brother Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Kothili said: In this regard, Psycho never plays for records. So stuff it. LMAO. It is all PR speeches by MR wrogn. He plays for records,too. He also cares about significant landmarks. You are delusional enough not to see through it. Stan AF 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, ThirtyD. said: Indian board hit a bullseye by elevating an inexperienced MSD to captaincy SRT suggested that Dhoni be given captaincy, BCCI did * all back then as well. 5 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said: Actually its the fault of we fans who has made Indian players larger than life super heroes. It's definitely not fans like us, it's those 5/10/20/35 year old cheerleaders who clearly don't understand cricket & go gaga or bubu when they hear/see MSD, Brat in person & act as if they're Beebs from a decade back! Austin 3:!6 1 Link to comment
Turning_track Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) Its nauseating to listen to such idiotic comments of "don't make mountain out of a molehill" by the skipper who can't even be honest after such defeat. Its not the first time Kohli & his cronies done this- SA series, England series, WC & the list goes on & on. You got out for 36 & a subject of ridicule in the cricketing world since yesterday , genuine knowledgeable cricket fans irrespective of the nationality has been blasting this team for their crap show in a pitch which wasn't a minefield just good pace bowling, hitting right lengths & making them play. As much as I blame batsmen for their individual capacity of putting no fight, the constant chopping-changing, fear of getting thrown out from the team is taking a toll on batters. BCCI as an org. cares only about & continues to massage their inflated egos. Which nation with some amount of self-pride would be fine with test losses consistently within 3 days? You lost 11 tests in England in last 3 tours - 11 FREAKING tests in a decade & not even a pip squeak. Such performances makes ECB/CA to cut short number of tests of other nations who aren't financially strong so just thank your lucky stars. Keep reveling in your own mediocrity, filling record books during insignificant matches while when it matters s*** yourself grandly. Edited December 20, 2020 by Turning_track express bowling and Stan AF 2 Link to comment
New guy Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 5 hours ago, WGG said: This is standard India overseas. Pathetic. No courage. We have never been all out for 36 in history. How is it standard? express bowling 1 Link to comment
New guy Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, R!TTER said: SRT suggested that Dhoni be given captaincy, BCCI did * all back then as well. It's definitely not fans like us, it's those 5/10/20/35 year old cheerleaders who clearly don't understand cricket & go gaga or bubu when they hear/see MSD, Brat in person & act as if they're Beebs from a decade back! its not even that. Its the media and its narrative and social media. We underestimate how much it shapes opinions but if you are bombarded juat with praise, and given excuses for bad performances, people read and believe. Earlier media used to crucify teams, captains and players when they failed. And public would take cue from them. Now they are the biggest bhakts. This is true for politics too, where certain parties and leaders are simply unquestionable with paid media supporting them We are in the extreme of the capitalism age nevada 1 Link to comment
puneet28 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 You have one job, you get paid millions for that. On top of that you get respect and privilage of leading your nation. And then you see such statement after shambolic performance. Yes Mr. Kohli, this is the lowest. This is the lowest not in terms of performance but the lowest you can go to defend yourself shamelessly. Accept your defeat and step down as captain and focus on batting. sorak, express bowling, Forever Indian and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
nevada Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, puneet28 said: You have one job, you get paid millions for that. On top of that you get respect and privilage of leading your nation. And then you see such statement after shambolic performance. Yes Mr. Kohli, this is the lowest. This is the lowest not in terms of performance but the lowest you can go to defend yourself shamelessly. Accept your defeat and step down as captain and focus on batting. Kohli has no shame and won't resign but there's not even a single article calling for his resignation. He enjoys a royal status despite blunder after blunder. express bowling 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, New guy said: We have never been all out for 36 in history. How is it standard? We did have sub 100 totals before. These guys just went a step forward scoring sub 50 total. New guy 1 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, nevada said: Kohli has no shame and won't resign but there's not even a single article calling for his resignation. He enjoys a royal status despite blunder after blunder. His PR has bought out all main media outlets. Anyone who says/writes negatively against him, risks losing their job. nevada 1 Link to comment
Sandeep99 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 20 hours ago, Bigg Brother said: There will never be another Sachin ,Sachin's stature will remain irreplaceable even if this faker break his few records. What’s the value of the records when you have no integrity towards your country. Sachin was many things but first and foremost he always played for his country. Everything else came later. Austin 3:!6, sorak, New guy and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment
kirkutfan Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 India getting out for 36 is not the captain’s fault. Yes, he like the rest of them failed as a batsman in that inning. But there is nothing a captain can really do when each guy is doing an aaya ram gaya ram. The same guys did okay in the first inning. Also, the captain did not do a bad job with field placing sand bowling changes in the 1st inning. I do think it is time to change the coaching staff after this tour is over. We always struggle when we start a series abroad. Maybe a change there might change how India prepares for a tour. Link to comment
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