[Pant's drop rate v spin - 44%] Rishabh Pant still doesn't have skill set to keep to bowlers like Ashwin and Jadeja in subcontinent: MSK Prasad

[kubrickian]

What MSK Prasad said is absolutely true. Looks like some fanboys here got really offended,  Stop getting so worked up and think rationally.

 

Keeping in SC is not a joke and that too against Ashwin and Jadeja on rank turners. Saha beats Pant hands down when it comes to keeping, there is no comparison really. He is probably as good as Dhoni if not better. Now on Aus wickets where there is not much turn, Pant can do a decent job and he can be handy with the bat lower down the order. 

 

Pant is a decent batsman who can play attacking shots on flat tracks but he is not a test class batsman by any means especially in bowler friendly conditions. He still has a lot to improve.

[ShoonyaSifar]

4 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

What MSK Prasad said is absolutely true. Looks like some fanboys here got really offended,  Stop getting so worked up and think rationally.

How come someone "not having the skill sets to keep vs spinners" was picked for India A and later for India for the longer format under this loser Prasad's tenure as chief selector? This idiot is exposing only himself and his sheer incompetence which he demonstrated for 4 long years

[kubrickian]

13 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

How come someone "not having the skill sets to keep vs spinners" was picked for India A and later for India for the longer format under this loser Prasad's tenure as chief selector? This idiot is exposing only himself and his sheer incompetence which he demonstrated for 4 long years

Well, its simple really. You can pick someone and then based on his performance, you can assess. Isnt that how any player is evaluated whether its A team or test ? He got picked based on his previous performances but doesnt mean you can assume he will or wont do well everywhere. Based on what I've seen of Pant's keeping  skills, he is still average at best, has dropped a few off spinners which can be costly in tests but in limited overs and on tracks where there is not much turn, he can be adequate.

[ShoonyaSifar]

18 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Till 10 years back we were so good when it came to introducing maverick cricketers full of flair and ahead of their times: Engineer, Kunderan, Chandra, Srikkanth, 16 yo Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Raina, Rohit, Ashwin. Bumrah is an exception from recent past, maybe his role as fast bowler has kept him safe. England was opposite, robotic, dull, uninspiring, didn't know how to handle guys like Botham, Devon Malcolm, Trescothick, Flintoff, KP....and shunned unorthodoxy, risk taking, innovation, street smart cricket etc. 

 

Now we have switched roles, they have players who like to express themselves on the field and are innovative: Stokes, Buttler, Bairstow, Roy, Archer etc. While we are harsh towards players who have individuality, who aren't conformist, who have minds of their own, their fearless approach clearly finds no takers in this TM. 

 

KL is one such maverick who has been turned into a scared kitten by this TM, a talent like him in ECB's hands would have been a sight to see. Pretty sure Stokes would have been converted into something else under Indian TM. Maybe they want more Rahane clones in Team India so that status quo is never under threat, 

I'm convinced our insecure superstars like Dhoni (post 2011) and Kohli do not want others to steal the limelight from them as this could mean added competition for brand endorsements and their own status as prima donna of Indian cricket getting threatened. There cannot be any other reason. This also explains why a Dhoni or Kohli would stick to captaincy despite knowing their good days are over.

 

Sadly youngsters have two options - a mind and persona of your own but never become a regular in the side or become a chamcha of the captain and enjoy peacefully

[Majestic]

Bhai show these stats to our selectors, ex-cricketers, team management etc.

 

Saha averages 13 in SENA.

Pant averages 35 in SENA.

 

The difference is there for everyone to see.

 

Edited December 22, 2020 by Majestic

[express bowling]

What kind of nonsense is this !!

 

Why are young players being generally criticized in public without any event happening !!  (  Specific performances can always be criticized  )

 

Whether that fact is true or not is immaterial.

 

They are trying to undermine young players representing India and indirectly trying to negatively affect Team India's performance. And they should be treated as such.

[ShoonyaSifar]

5 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

Well, its simple really. You can pick someone and then based on his performance, you can assess. Isnt that how any player is evaluated whether its A team or test ? He got picked based on his previous performances but doesnt mean you can assume he will or wont do well everywhere. Based on what I've seen of Pant's keeping  skills, he is still average at best, has dropped a few off spinners which can be costly in tests but in limited overs and on tracks where there is not much turn, he can be adequate.

Pant hasn't played a test in India since November 2018. He has hardly dropped chances in Tests and his stats compare favorably to any other keeper. In any case, no one on this threads is saying he is a great keeper. What people are objecting to is this buffon's gibberish of him having no skill sets, which is very different from calling him an average keeper

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

More madness

 

 

India can use Rishabh Pant just as a batsman with X-factor in Boxing Day Test: Murali Kartik 

Murali Kartik feels India could play both wicket-keepers, Rishabh Pant and Wriddhiman Saha in the same eleven for the 2nd Test in Melbourne.

 

Shaw should focus on domestic cricket, Saha deserves one more chance, says Pragyan Ojha

 

Cunning Aussie 

‘Runs scored by wicketkeeper are bonus’ – Michael Hussey

 

This Murli Kartik is part of official BCCI commentary team so there is no chance in hell he's gonaa criticize lolli & cronies.  MSK is brain dead already.  Man absolute jokers have been running the show for too long.  Ganguly,  Jay Shah are busy printing money.  Nobody gives a s*** except us fans. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

More madness

 

 

India can use Rishabh Pant just as a batsman with X-factor in Boxing Day Test: Murali Kartik 

Murali Kartik feels India could play both wicket-keepers, Rishabh Pant and Wriddhiman Saha in the same eleven for the 2nd Test in Melbourne.

 

Shaw should focus on domestic cricket, Saha deserves one more chance, says Pragyan Ojha

 

Cunning Aussie 

‘Runs scored by wicketkeeper are bonus’ – Michael Hussey

 

This Murli Kartik is part of official BCCI commentary team so there is no chance in hell he's gonaa criticize lolli & cronies.  MSK is brain dead already.  Man absolute jokers have been running the show for too long.  Ganguly,  Jay Shah are busy printing money.  Nobody gives a s*** except us fans. 

[rkt.india]

Even Saha is good against pace and average against spin in SC.

[New guy]

2 hours ago, maniac said:

Nothing wrong in what he said, Keeping in SC is a challenge and you play your best pure keeper.

 

it’s one extreme that people are saying Pant can’t keep but the other side of the coin is this assumption that Saha is a tailender who can’t hold the bat. He can be decent in SC even though might not be as destructive as Pant.

 

Overseas May by there is a need to

go With the better batsman and an adequate keeper.

 

Also MSK is underrated as a selector. He did some good work but it was the team management that screwed up. Tell me one poor selection of his that was against what ICF (benchmark for the most hardcore fans) wanted?

 

Rayudu was being insulted day in and day out and every One wanted the great allrounder Shankar to play and he got a shot. He got rid of Ash-Jadeja (for a while) and got Kul-Cha in their place. Fast bowling selections have been spot on,  he selected  Gill,Shaw,Aggarwal Pant etc under his watch. Even gave guy like DK a second wind and he won us a T20 tournament.

 

Underrated selector whose work Was ruined by the TM 

100% wrong in targeting a young player publicly and putting down him morally. What do you mean nothing wrong?

[New guy]

1 hour ago, kubrickian said:

What MSK Prasad said is absolutely true. Looks like some fanboys here got really offended,  Stop getting so worked up and think rationally.

 

Keeping in SC is not a joke and that too against Ashwin and Jadeja on rank turners. Saha beats Pant hands down when it comes to keeping, there is no comparison really. He is probably as good as Dhoni if not better. Now on Aus wickets where there is not much turn, Pant can do a decent job and he can be handy with the bat lower down the order. 

 

Pant is a decent batsman who can play attacking shots on flat tracks but he is not a test class batsman by any means especially in bowler friendly conditions. He still has a lot to improve.

turn because you say so? He has been very very safe in tests. Facts don't care fir your feeling or smileys. We have cold, pure stats 

 

And I laugh when  you use dhoni example, when dhoni was worst than saha and pant against pace. Hilarious that someone who thinks dhoni was best keeper is questioning soemone else's keeping

[DeepSpace]

2 hours ago, beetle said:

The team just got out for 39 and this loser is writing about Pant in sub continent. This spineless guy has no guts to criticize kohli and the others but keeps going after Pant when the poor guy has not played for India for so long.

 

Haath dho ke Pant ke peeche pada hai #@$!

If he criticizes Rat, he will be showered with MC BC laddoos!

[rtmohanlal]

isn't during  this buffoon' s reign as chief selector  that Pant was selected in the team as the WK ?  Now that he  has resigned,  he comes up with open  criticism.

Speaks volumes about his credibility as chief selector and  there by that of entire TM. 

[Adamant]

There's nothing like specialist keepers in this day and age. 

Pant is indias version of adam Gilchrist. He is the best. 

Brad Haddin was a better keeper than Adam,  so is Tim Paine but still they are not good enough to ties his shoelaces. 

 

Actually i won't even take a GOAT specialist wktkeeper (russell or healy or marsh or knott or evans) let alone Saha over someone like  Pant. 

 

I don't know why wicketkeeping has been described as a specialist's job, wicketkeeping skill is nowhere near as difficult to master as bowling and batting. 

If you spend twenty years playing cricket and the only thing you can do is keeping then shame on you. 

I know some people here will get their knickers in a twist but this is the harsh reality. 

 

[kirkutfan]

12 hours ago, kubrickian said:

What MSK Prasad said is absolutely true. Looks like some fanboys here got really offended,  Stop getting so worked up and think rationally.

 

Keeping in SC is not a joke and that too against Ashwin and Jadeja on rank turners. Saha beats Pant hands down when it comes to keeping, there is no comparison really. He is probably as good as Dhoni if not better. Now on Aus wickets where there is not much turn, Pant can do a decent job and he can be handy with the bat lower down the order. 

 

Pant is a decent batsman who can play attacking shots on flat tracks but he is not a test class batsman by any means especially in bowler friendly conditions. He still has a lot to improve.

MSK may have reasonable arguments for picking Saha over Pant in India. However, given that Pant is young with a lot of upside, maybe India is better off with Pant playing continuously and letting him develop along the way. Maybe Saha could serve a dual role of being a backup and a coach/mentor who helps Pant learn how to keep to quality spin...

[raki05]

14 hours ago, Gollum said:

 

LINK

 

 

Not some random ex-player but legendary Chief Selector himself 

 

One thing to say Saha is a better pure keeper than Pant (no one will contest that) or that Pant's fitness was lacking in the lead up to this tour.....but why are these people spreading the myth that Pant doesn't know keeping? We have seen Dasgupta, Dighe, Dahiya, Ratra, Parthiv, Karthik, Dhoni (against quicks), why exactly is 23 yo Pant vilified so much? And even if his keeping is so bad (it is not!!!!!) how will it improve unless he keeps more to our spinners in the longer format? Instead of saying clear cut that Pant is our #1 keeper in tests so many experts and ex-players are spouting nonsense and public will swallow this kind of BS and run more SM campaigns to mock/abuse our youngsters. Toxic environment for rookies in Indian cricket. 

Does this same chutiya had guts to say Dhawan, rohit doesn't have ability to bat in Sena still I went ahead and selected them several time in test cricket. Did he ever speak abaout hahane mediocre performance in test cricket everywhere still he went ahead and made him vice captain.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

Does this same chutiya had guts to say Dhawan, rohit doesn't have ability to bat in Sena still I went ahead and selected them several time in test cricket. Did he ever speak abaout hahane mediocre performance in test cricket everywhere still he went ahead and made him vice captain.

 

 

Exactly !

 

These stooges only criticize youngsters without backing. Why didn't he open his mouth about Dhoni during his last few years ?  Why is he silent on the Indian team's massive failures in test matches this year under Kohli ?

[WC2011INDIA]

India is not a country for youngsters because the elders/seniors whether in family or work are always so condescending.

[Sandeep99]

If Pant is not a good enough wicket keeper, why is he being selected? Wasn't MSK Prasad the selector when the team for 2018-19 Australia tour? In a population of billion people and 27 Ranji teams and their reserves, why was Pant selected when he was not a good enough wicket keeper? Was MSK Prasad not aware?