prudent_kreeda Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 20 hours ago, putrevus said: If Dhawan is good enough to play, he should play.Gill has done nothing to shown that he needs to be preferred over Dhawan. Gill should aspire to become all format player.He is young he will get all the chances he needs to prove his talent. There is not much Gill has to do to prove he is equal/ better than Dhawan and India will not miss Dhawan one bit if he is replaced by Gill. ( considring only Tests & 50 overs . No T20 for Gill now) - In Aus - already proved . - In ENG - Needs little effort to leave behind Dhawan's performance . - 50 overs - 10 matches will prove that he is equal to Dhawan . kruiser 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said: There is not much Gill has to do to prove he is equal/ better than Dhawan and India will not miss Dhawan one bit if he is replaced by Gill. ( considring only Tests & 50 overs . No T20 for Gill now) - In Aus - already proved . - In ENG - Needs little effort to leave behind Dhawan's performance . - 50 overs - 10 matches will prove that he is equal to Dhawan . Dhawan is one of the best performers in ICC tournaments not just from India but whole sport. He is the third best opener in Indian cricket odis.On what basis will Gill be better than him odis.. What did he prove in Australia in odis.He will get his chance in odis too, why are we in rush to kick out a perfectly good player who is great in crunch matches. Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 50 minutes ago, putrevus said: Dhawan is one of the best performers in ICC tournaments not just from India but whole sport. He is the third best opener in Indian cricket odis.On what basis will Gill be better than him odis.. What did he prove in Australia in odis.He will get his chance in odis too, why are we in rush to kick out a perfectly good player who is great in crunch matches. How many matches Gill played in Aus ? 1 ? One payed all 3 matches & got 120 runs & another played 1 match and made 33 . Please watch his innings and point out what makes to think that Gill is not good . One at 21 playing hist first match and another playing may be 5th time in Aus at 35 . Whatever needs to be proven as an opener Gill proved in his Test debut vs the best pace attack which Dhawan never could achieve in his entire career at test level. One cannot ask what Gill has done when one played 3 matches and another playing for 8 years. Asking for just 10+ matches and lets compare again. If Gill cannot match Dhawan at all then there should solid reasons for forming that opinion - What are those ? Tests - I think matter is settled by now after this Aus series . Lets bump again after Gill plays 10+ one dayers BTW Not saying Gill only should replace Dhawan . Gill should play one day , could be in place of Rohit , Dhawan or Kohli . No way this can be delayed now. vaul 1 Link to comment
kruiser Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Shikhar does not give that confidence of 30-40 runs at the top. He fails in 4 games and then hits a 70 in 5th. Think he should retire while he still has A game. I would love to see Gill and Rohit open in ODIs. In tests, Puji to open and Gill at 3. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said: How many matches Gill played in Aus ? 1 ? One payed all 3 matches & got 120 runs & another played 1 match and made 33 . Please watch his innings and point out what makes to think that Gill is not good . One at 21 playing hist first match and another playing may be 5th time in Aus at 35 . Whatever needs to be proven as an opener Gill proved in his Test debut vs the best pace attack which Dhawan never could achieve in his entire career at test level. One cannot ask what Gill has done when one played 3 matches and another playing for 8 years. Asking for just 10+ matches and lets compare again. If Gill cannot match Dhawan at all then there should solid reasons for forming that opinion - What are those ? Tests - I think matter is settled by now after this Aus series . Lets bump again after Gill plays 10+ one dayers BTW Not saying Gill only should replace Dhawan . Gill should play one day , could be in place of Rohit , Dhawan or Kohli . No way this can be delayed now. No way he should be played over those three.He is not even a patch on those three players yet in odis. The only place he has is at number 4 if Iyer fails. Till then Gill should worry scoring runs in tests. If he does exceedingly well against England , they will find a spot for him. There is no rule that a guy like Gill needs to be given opening role in odis when India has two great openers.He has to earn it. Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Meant rotate the 3 so that you give exposure to players like Gill so that they have 20+ one day experience by 23 WC. Where is the need to play all these 3 guys in all the bi laterals when there is no WC50 event . What we want to see by playing them ? Experience , skill ?? What if we end up in a situation like this AUS tour where entire bowling unit went down . Then what to do ? Play KL , Pant , GIll , Shaw , Iyer, Hardik, and a set of new bowlers who can be back ups and prepare a team where you can have 2 players as options if needed for each position. No point in just playing the same set of seniors in every match till 23 . Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said: Meant rotate the 3 so that you give exposure to players like Gill so that they have 20+ one day experience by 23 WC. Where is the need to play all these 3 guys in all the bi laterals when there is no WC50 event . What we want to see by playing them ? Experience , skill ?? What if we end up in a situation like this AUS tour where entire bowling unit went down . Then what to do ? Play KL , Pant , GIll , Shaw , Iyer, Hardik, and a set of new bowlers who can be back ups and prepare a team where you can have 2 players as options if needed for each position. No point in just playing the same set of seniors in every match till 23 . They are giving exposure in test cricket. Why is it neccessary to give exposure in all formats. Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 We are not playing WC2023 test but 50 overs . Hence all those who are potential players should be playing ODI in their preferred position and the best players for each position need to identified . If some one is playing Test , they are the best for those positions as per TM & hence they are given chances in Test . But for some bias & preference , even rotation of top 3 would also have started. Winds of change to start soon. We will see first glimpse perhaps in ENG ODI series in March . Link to comment
Khota Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 1/21/2021 at 8:51 AM, putrevus said: So what should they do with Dhawan? What has he done to be dropped from Odis. Agreed. Dhawan and Rahul should be in the mix. Link to comment
bahadur_billa Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said: We are not playing WC2023 test but 50 overs . Hence all those who are potential players should be playing ODI in their preferred position and the best players for each position need to identified . If some one is playing Test , they are the best for those positions as per TM & hence they are given chances in Test . But for some bias & preference , even rotation of top 3 would also have started. Winds of change to start soon. We will see first glimpse perhaps in ENG ODI series in March . One more thing of note is that the number of ODIs have significantly reduced due to the new 3 match ODI series. So we have to give exposure to our backups in the limited games that we have. Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 i feel Gill gets out because he gets lazy feet,imo the majority of his dismissals are because he doesnt get to the pitch of the ball late in his innings or very early in the match. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Khota said: Agreed. Dhawan and Rahul should be in the mix. Rahul is the keeper shorter formats in odis he is number 5 and he is opener in T20s. Pant or Gill have no place in odis as of now.Let them keeping developing well in tests. Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Khota said: So what should they do with Dhawan? What has he done to be dropped from Odis. Nothing special . just rotate , so that 2 more potential openers are ready . If Dhawan still in hot form by 23 and not injured , he can play WC23 . Stressing again prepare for worst and keep alternatives absolutely battle ready. Edited January 22, 2021 by prudent_kreeda Khota 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 hours ago, putrevus said: Rahul is the keeper shorter formats in odis he is number 5 and he is opener in T20s. Pant or Gill have no place in odis as of now.Let them keeping developing well in tests. Rahul should bat only. Pant can do the other part and Gill can be rotated. Ankit_sharma03 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, Khota said: Rahul should bat only. Pant can do the other part and Gill can be rotated. Yup rahul shud bat only , he shudnt keep he has back issues which may become problem in future. Also if pant has to improve as keeper he has to keep regularly thats how dhonis keeping imrpoved. Khota 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said: Nothing special . just rotate , so that 2 more potential openers are ready . If Dhawan still in hot form by 23 and not injured , he can play WC23 . Stressing again prepare for worst and keep alternatives absolutely battle ready. Problem with dhawan isnt just the age but the stale kind of cricket top 3 is playing. Either they need to push extra at start or else someone else has to be seen who can provide u tha x factor at start. This is why im not even in favour of gill opening in odi. I want someone like shaw, pant, kishen, samson who provides that momentum. Edited January 23, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
Soldier Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 14 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said: How many matches Gill played in Aus ? 1 ? One payed all 3 matches & got 120 runs & another played 1 match and made 33 . Please watch his innings and point out what makes to think that Gill is not good . One at 21 playing hist first match and another playing may be 5th time in Aus at 35 . Whatever needs to be proven as an opener Gill proved in his Test debut vs the best pace attack which Dhawan never could achieve in his entire career at test level. One cannot ask what Gill has done when one played 3 matches and another playing for 8 years. Asking for just 10+ matches and lets compare again. If Gill cannot match Dhawan at all then there should solid reasons for forming that opinion - What are those ? Tests - I think matter is settled by now after this Aus series . Lets bump again after Gill plays 10+ one dayers BTW Not saying Gill only should replace Dhawan . Gill should play one day , could be in place of Rohit , Dhawan or Kohli . No way this can be delayed now. Mayank also had a great first tour vs Aussies. Just saying. Don't write of Mayank either. He is a quality bat. Just out of form. Gill is ATG level talent. Write it down now. He is going to be a legit ATG and will surpass sunny. Bookmark this. * jinx. I don't believe in that rubbish. Link to comment
Soldier Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Problem with dhawan isnt just the age but the stale kind of cricket top 3 is playing. Either they need to push extra at start or else someone else has to be seen who can provide u tha x factor at start. This is why im not even in favour of gill opening in odi. I want someone like shaw, pant, kishen, samson who provides that momentum. Love that idea. If pant gets going, he can single handedly destroy teams. Link to comment
Soldier Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 10 hours ago, cowboysfan said: i feel Gill gets out because he gets lazy feet,imo the majority of his dismissals are because he doesnt get to the pitch of the ball late in his innings or very early in the match. He is 20. He will only get better. Link to comment
Tendulkar1996 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) We have an opener problem away from home.Ideally pujara should open with gill at 3 in seaming conditions.But rohit is not a solution.England tour will be end of his test career.He will fail miserably there.Got lucky in NZ due to sitting out for injury.Which is why we need shaw to develop quickly and correct his problems,mayank has regressed. Edited January 23, 2021 by Tendulkar1996 Link to comment
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