Will Pant be selected regularly in LOIs?

[ShoonyaSifar]

Forget LOIs, Harsha Bhogle's tweet indicates, Kohli may prefer to go with Saha! And then someone who works for Cricbuzz suggests we should drop Rahane. I'm sure they are aware of the rumblings within the TM. Wouldn't put it past Kohli to attempt to derail Gill, Pant, Rahane and even Pujara now. 

[prudent_kreeda]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

No 6th bowler

 

Hardik not that good a 5th bowler

 

Ashwin is a poor fielder

 

My ODI 11

 

1. Rohit

2. Gill

3. Kohli

4. Pant

5. Rahul

6. Hardik

7. Jadeja

8. Shardul

9. Shami

10. Bumrah

11. Chahal

 

I seriously doubt Chahal will be able to fend off  guys like rahul chahar , Bishnoi  till 23 . 

[New guy]

On 23/01/2021 at 3:10 AM, cowboysfan said:

He still ha the same problem.his ideal format is Tests where there is no pressure of scoring runs every ball .his scoring areas are small and he can be easily restricted with good field placements.He should concentrate on TEsts and improve his keeping for now.

His scoring area is small? I am laughing at the ridiculousness of this post. In both the 3rd and 4th tests he actually showed a 360 degree variety of shots and hit boundaries to every single part of the ground 

 

This has to be a joke post right?

[prudent_kreeda]

On 1/23/2021 at 3:10 AM, cowboysfan said:

He still ha the same problem.his ideal format is Tests where there is no pressure of scoring runs every ball .his scoring areas are small and he can be easily restricted with good field placements.He should concentrate on Tests and improve his keeping for now.

 

Need to ponder ! Are we  the better judges of any player's ability or players who have reached the top tier are the better judges ? 

When players at the highest level that too the rival players opine that Pant has the ability to hit the ball where he wants , can it be too far off from truth ?. This is exactly what Paine opined after the 4th test . One can even see that in the series in Aus . For balls from Lyon which were out side the off stump , he was playing it on off side, sweep it finer to square leg along the ground , ramped it behind the wickets , slog swept it towards widish mid wicket . That s the ability to play where he wants and wide range .

If we say he has a very limited stroke range , then there is something wrong the way we look at the game .

But results of the wide range gets noticed only when a player is able to play for a little longer period and starts scoring consistently . 

His mistake was going for six as THE shot most of times ( totally ignoring ground stoke boundaries ), Hoic to onside .

Reason could be several - Not analyzing and correcting batting approach quickly , very few deliveries get to  face and need to go for kill from ball 1 , pattern of bowling by opposition teams .

 

I think there a template which he has shown in Tests which is  far more refined than what we saw in last 1 year , the same needs to followed up in Eng series . The same template can be used in  50 overs . For that he needs to play decent number of deliveries . May be its better to give him a try in top 4 and see the results.  This would be good  for the team as there will be a  leftie in top 4 with all teams now going for leggies and left arm spinners . The man has the ability to score 15-20 runs a over at any time suddenly , so no worries of strike rate as long as he stays there . Give him a position where he has decent number of deliveries and give a decent # matches  on trot  to implement this template and refine it assuming he does not go back to his old ways . 

 

Edited January 25, 2021 by prudent_kreeda

[prudent_kreeda]

42 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 

I seriously doubt Chahal will be able to fend off  guys like rahul chahar , Bishnoi  till 23 . 

 Guy is over exposed and looks tough to carry on for another 3 years with high success . 

In fact i would prefer lot of rotation of spin bowlers if India were to win lot more matches in short format. Change spin bowlers every 2 matches rather than playing same guy for whole series . You have the resources to do that - Axar, Sundar, Chahal , Chahar, Bishnoi, Varun , Kuldeep . Your bench strength will be match ready all the time .

[dilliboy]

55 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Forget LOIs, Harsha Bhogle's tweet indicates, Kohli may prefer to go with Saha! And then someone who works for Cricbuzz suggests we should drop Rahane. I'm sure they are aware of the rumblings within the TM. Wouldn't put it past Kohli to attempt to derail Gill, Pant, Rahane and even Pujara now. 

I think he clarified later that he is assuming Pant will definitely play - either as a batsman or as a keeper that is the call the TM will take. Although in my view its high time we look beyond Saha and rope in Kishan as the reserve

[prudent_kreeda]

On 1/23/2021 at 8:09 AM, Majestic said:

He should play. But they will have to wait for someone to fail. Can't drop Shreyas based on two bad innings. He still averages 45 at strike rate of 100.

 

My team for 2023 WC will be:-

 

Rohit

Gill

Kohli

Rahul

Pants (wkt)

Pandya

Jadeja

-----------( need a bowler who could bat)

Natarajan/Shami

Chahal

Bumrah

 

 

 

Need to really look at Iyer . He has a poor game against short stuff . Only positive is past record against spinners . Agreed  murders offies , but what he is doing vs fastish spinners needs serious examination .

Now there are 2 issues with him  - Short stuff and quick spinners and If he plays the way he is playing now , he cannot be the #4 bat for 23 WC. 

[Majestic]

23 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 

Need to really look at Iyer . He has a poor game against short stuff . Only positive is past record against spinners . Agreed  murders offies , but what he is doing vs fastish spinners needs serious examination .

Now there are 2 issues with him  - Short stuff and quick spinners and If he plays the way he is playing now , he cannot be the #4 bat for 23 WC. 

That fastish spinner argument is basically nitpicking and over-analyzing. He probably got out to them in the process to attack and increase the run rate. That's part of the game. His major issue is against short pitch stuffs and will struggle in bouncy conditions.

 

I always admitted though that Pant has massive potential, and since he has got his confidence back, he should be considered again. I will have KL at 4 and Pant at 5. Iyer as backup at no.4. The only problem is that right now, it will be unfair to drop Iyer as 2-3 bad innings are part of the game.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 

I seriously doubt Chahal will be able to fend off  guys like rahul chahar , Bishnoi  till 23 . 

 

 

It will be great if that happens in the near future.

 

I want both Bishnoi and Rahul Chahar to succeed. 

 

My playing 11 was for the next ODI series.

 

 

[express bowling]

38 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 

Need to really look at Iyer . He has a poor game against short stuff . Only positive is past record against spinners . Agreed  murders offies , but what he is doing vs fastish spinners needs serious examination .

Now there are 2 issues with him  - Short stuff and quick spinners and If he plays the way he is playing now , he cannot be the #4 bat for 23 WC. 

 

 

Agree.

 

And Iyer has issues against hard length balls from taller pacers too.

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Pant may well prosper as an opener but it wouldn't be optimal use of his talents. We'll never be short of quality LOI openers in India but players who can mastermind a chase or a grand finish are rare. Pant can grow into that role.

 

Agree.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 

Need to really look at Iyer . He has a poor game against short stuff . Only positive is past record against spinners . Agreed  murders offies , but what he is doing vs fastish spinners needs serious examination .

Now there are 2 issues with him  - Short stuff and quick spinners and If he plays the way he is playing now , he cannot be the #4 bat for 23 WC. 

 

with iyer its a simple question everyone shud ask - is he a better batsman then Pant, gill, rahul ???  Clearly he is not so take hard call. 

Problem is he will score runs at home n against many weak teams which will make many believe that his problems are over just like was the case with rayudu.

Another problem with him thats gone unnoticed is the amount of catches he drops , he was 3rd on list after kohli and pant 

[Hojoborolo]

On 1/22/2021 at 10:40 PM, cowboysfan said:

He still ha the same problem.his ideal format is Tests where there is no pressure of scoring runs every ball .his scoring areas are small and he can be easily restricted with good field placements.He should concentrate on TEsts and improve his keeping for now.

Reminiscent of another destructive batsman of the same mould, Shahid Afridi. There was a piece on Cricinfo when Afridi retired from tests, that he was at his best in the longest format. Everyone goes for their shots the shorter the format - if it comes off, great; if not, no reason to lose sleep. This is also the very reason Pant was heavily outclassed by Saha with the bat in the last IPL, despite Saha allegedly being "only" a specialist keeper.