Team composition by player types and having adequate backups

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

nope, time to send jaddu up...he scores when he has time in hand 

 

 

This is not exactly a wishlist but what is happening or likely to happen.

 

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

where is Rahul chahar ?

 

Yes, he is there too.

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 1/23/2021 at 1:07 PM, express bowling said:

Swing bowler ----

11. Shardul / Bhuvi / Natarajan

 

No very keen on Natrajan in ODI for long term may on slow wkts like we had in SL n Bang in 2000s , but yea having a left armer in squad is good

Very keen on Mavi, Krishna 

[express bowling]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

No very keen on Natrajan in ODI for long term may on slow wkts like we had in SL n Bang in 2000s , but yea having a left armer in squad is good

Very keen on Mavi, Krishna 

 

 

 

I don't want Natarajan in ODIs either.

 

I have included him because he is in the squad.

 

Would prefer Prasidh and Mavi too.

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 1/23/2021 at 1:07 PM, express bowling said:

Batting all-rounders ----

7. Jadeja / Sundar / Hardik

 

in test Vijay shankar shud be in framework specially England and NZ conditions, i rate him very very highly as batsman even better then vihari , mayank, iyer .......very solid technique 

[Suhaan]

50 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

I don't want Natarajan in ODIs either.

 

I have included him because he is in the squad.

 

Would prefer Prasidh and Mavi too.

But Natrajan is very disciplined and has variations,and has most promising performance for a left armer currently, don't see any other left arm option currently

Khaleel needs to be consistent with his pace and doesn't need to overthink like Ashwin used to do

Even Natrajan is quite consistent with his pace atleast in lois

I like Sushant looked sharp this u19s more impressive than other left armer Akash,he too ahould be groomed, looking forward to IPL scouts to pick him for some franchise

 

[express bowling]

34 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

But Natrajan is very disciplined and has variations,and has most promising performance for a left armer currently, don't see any other left arm option currently

Khaleel needs to be consistent with his pace and doesn't need to overthink like Ashwin used to do

Even Natrajan is quite consistent with his pace atleast in lois

I like Sushant looked sharp this u19s more impressive than other left armer Akash,he too ahould be groomed, looking forward to IPL scouts to pick him for some franchise

 

 

 

I want Natarajan in the T20I team for the reasons you mentioned plus his slower balls and yorkers  (  basically death bowling skills )

 

But I would like an upfront wicket taking option in ODIs, like Shami.

 

No need to have a left arm option if the ideal one is not available. 

 

 

[prudent_kreeda]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @Ankit_sharma03, @prudent_kreeda

 

All of you follow domestic cricket closely.

 

1. In LOIs, who do you think can be good backups for Hardik and Jadeja as batting all-rounders ? Who should be developed with special care ?

 

2. Which quick bowler, apart from Bumrah, can bowl good yorkers and slower balls ? ( Not talking about medium pacers )

 

 

 

I feel Sundar can very well replace Jaddu  in 50 overs in 2-3 years . The ceiling is quite high for him in batting & Bowling. We are seeing what he is today and then start comparing . This man won't remain where he is today . He will work on both areas and will be an asset. 

There is a place for even a tight bowler if your team is capable of putting 300+ say 7 out of 10 times under normal pitch conditions . Eg- Moin /Rashid  not great but become good in Eng Team  as team pile up big runs .

 

1. He is accurate , Bowls quick and does not go for runs . Remember how Ash was initially as bowler. We will see Sundar with more guile after couple of years . There is lot more he can learn from Ash too. Am pretty sure about his progress.

2. Do not see any issue vs  pacy short stuff.  Looks good  .

3. He can play big shots vs spin . At least  the   initial  glimpses of promise we have seen. 

 

Does not seem to have attacking shots vs pace  hence will not become a power hitter . He will be your 2nd spinner and very very capable bat. What else you need from your bowler who  bowls 10 overs each match in most of the matches ? 

I foresee he will be much better bowler in winning matches in ODI  than what Jaddu is today and also as  good a bat as Jaddu in about 3-4  years and he will be still 24 by then.

 

HARDIK - Very difficult to replace .  No one can match his batting ability among all rounders . We should  not be asking who will replace Sachin /Virat . Same for Hardik if starts bowling 

Right now no one in the horizon. Only time will tell. 

 

Edited January 24, 2021 by prudent_kreeda

[Mosher]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

1. In LOIs, who do you think can be good backups for Hardik and Jadeja as batting all-rounders ? Who should be developed with special care ?

Sundar/Tewatia/Axar/Abhishek Sharma/Samad. Can't think of any pacer AR as backup for Pandya. Shankar/Dubey both haven't been impressive. 

 

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

Which quick bowler, apart from Bumrah, can bowl good yorkers and slower balls ? ( Not talking about medium pacers )

Tyagi is the one who needs to be developed. He has all the tools to be successful. Mavi/Nagarkoti/Prasidh are other fast bowlers who need to be groomed.

[express bowling]

14 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Sundar/Tewatia/Axar/Abhishek Sharma/Samad. Can't think of any pacer AR as backup for Pandya. Shankar/Dubey both haven't been impressive. 

 

Tyagi is the one who needs to be developed. He has all the tools to be successful. Mavi/Nagarkoti/Prasidh are other fast bowlers who need to be groomed.

 

 

Agree with everything bro.

[express bowling]

18 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 

I feel Sundar can very well replace Jaddu  in 50 overs in 2-3 years . The ceiling is quite high for him in batting & Bowling. We are seeing what he is today and then start comparing . This man won't remain where he is today . He will work on both areas and will be an asset. 

There is a place for even a tight bowler if your team is capable of putting 300+ say 7 out of 10 times under normal pitch conditions . Eg- Moin /Rashid  not great but become good in Eng Team  as team pile up big runs .

 

1. He is accurate , Bowls quick and does not go for runs . Remember how Ash was initially as bowler. We will see Sundar with more guile after couple of years . There is lot more he can learn from Ash too. Am pretty sure about his progress.

2. Do not see any issue vs  pacy short stuff.  Looks good  .

3. He can play big shots vs spin . At least  the   initial  glimpses of promise we have seen. 

 

Does not seem to have attacking shots vs pace  hence will not become a power hitter . He will be your 2nd spinner and very very capable bat. What else you need from your bowler who  bowls 10 overs each match in most of the matches ? 

I foresee he will be much better bowler in winning matches in ODI  than what Jaddu is today and also as  good a bat as Jaddu in about 3-4  years and he will be still 24 by then.

 

 

Agree with most of it.

 

Only point is ... I think Sundar can attack pace bowlers too. Saw the hook shot for 6 off Cummins and the slash over point the very next ball for 4. He drives pacers well too.

 

 

18 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 

HARDIK - Very difficult to replace .  No one can match his batting ability among all rounders . We should  not be asking who will replace Sachin /Virat . Same for Hardik if starts bowling 

Right now no one in the horizon. Only time will tell. 

 

 

 

Since Hardik is now the 6th batsman cum 6th bowler in LOIs  ( perfect role for him ) ... I think we can keep a power hitting batsman who can bowl some spin ( like Samad ... if he develops ) as his backup.

 

We can play 3 specialist pacers anyway and a 4th pacer is not essential.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

21 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Sundar/Tewatia/Axar/Abhishek Sharma/Samad. Can't think of any pacer AR as backup for Pandya. Shankar/Dubey both haven't been impressive. 

 

Even abhishek wud be best in top 3, seen him in domestic he has lazy eleganance and is great clearning circle. More of a timer then power player who wud love new ball coming on bat then using power and loosing his shape

 

 

[prudent_kreeda]

My vote would have been Kamlesh if he gets back his zip . But do not know will we see best of him . He could have been very useful even in middle overs attacking the stumps at high pace .

Since in one dayers you need to avoid being slaughtered just pace is not going to work.  I would look for a guy who is quick but some good variations too. By 2019 i thought Prasidh will be front runner - in that IPL he bowled different types of deliveries in one over at the death including dipping yorker which only Bravo has mastered .

But i get a feeling he has not scaled up. Disppointing IPL this year . 

Would still will be my 2nd  preference to be tested.

Next 2 - Mavi & Tyagi .  Dono maar khayenge  right now but these guys  have it in them but can  make it . 

If Tyagi can bowl well in the first spell , he can be the one who beat all these guys .

 

So if all are fit -  1. Koti,  2.Tyagi & Prasidh  and  3. Mavi in that order.

 

[prudent_kreeda]

16 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Agree with most of it.

 

Only point is ... I think Sundar can attack pace bowlers too. Saw the hook shot for 6 off Cummins and the slash over point the very next ball for 4. He drives pacers well too.

 

 

 

 

Since Hardik is now the 6th batsman cum 6th bowler in LOIs  ( perfect role for him ) ... I think we can keep a power hitting batsman who can bowl some spin ( like Samad ... if he develops ) as his backup.

 

We can play 3 specialist pacers anyway and a 4th pacer is not essential.

 

 

 My comment was from Pace bowling all rounder perspective. 

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

My vote would have been Kamlesh if he gets back his zip . But do not know will we see best of him . He could have been very useful even in middle overs attacking the stumps at high pace .

Since in one dayers you need to avoid being slaughtered just pace is not going to work.  I would look for a guy who is quick but some good variations too. By 2019 i thought Prasidh will be front runner - in that IPL he bowled different types of deliveries in one over at the death including dipping yorker which only Bravo has mastered .

But i get a feeling he has not scaled up. Disppointing IPL this year . 

Would still will be my 2nd  preference to be tested.

Next 2 - Mavi & Tyagi .  Dono maar khayenge  right now but these guys  have it in them but can  make it . 

If Tyagi can bowl well in the first spell , he can be the one who beat all these guys .

 

So if all are fit -  1. Koti,  2.Tyagi & Prasidh  and  3. Mavi in that order.

 

 

 

One problem that Prasidh, Mavi and Koti have faced in the last IPL is that they had to fight for 2 slots  ( later just 1 slot ) .

 

And none of them could settle down.

 

While Tyagi benefited from having a continuous run.

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 My comment was from Pace bowling all rounder perspective. 

 

 

I know. 

 

I agree with your point that Hardik is irreplaceable for now and thinking about a solution in case he is not available.

 

 

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

My vote would have been Kamlesh if he gets back his zip . But do not know will we see best of him . He could have been very useful even in middle overs attacking the stumps at high pace .

Since in one dayers you need to avoid being slaughtered just pace is not going to work.  I would look for a guy who is quick but some good variations too. By 2019 i thought Prasidh will be front runner - in that IPL he bowled different types of deliveries in one over at the death including dipping yorker which only Bravo has mastered .

But i get a feeling he has not scaled up. Disppointing IPL this year . 

Would still will be my 2nd  preference to be tested.

Next 2 - Mavi & Tyagi .  Dono maar khayenge  right now but these guys  have it in them but can  make it . 

If Tyagi can bowl well in the first spell , he can be the one who beat all these guys .

 

So if all are fit -  1. Koti,  2.Tyagi & Prasidh  and  3. Mavi in that order.

 

 

 

Hope Nagarkoti gets his zip back.

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, Mosher said:

 Can't think of any pacer AR as backup for Pandya.

There is one Abhimanyu Singh Rajput plays for Baroda 22 years old

Can't predict anything as of now?But is a good prospect ,has decent technique,have seen him bat up the order for Baroda iirc he came at 4,5 to bat

And bowls with decent pace too

He can develop his loi game too,look how well Pandya has evolved as a batsman

[Suhaan]

27 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Hope Nagarkoti gets his zip back.

He was already getting into groove slowly, bowled few deliveries above 145 this season coming back after 2 years

Zip depends on nature of pitch too,being short he will need bare minimum bite to extract something

If gets back to his regular pace ,his wicket to wicket line will be handful

 

[tweaker]

15 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

in test Vijay shankar shud be in framework specially England and NZ conditions, i rate him very very highly as batsman even better then vihari , mayank, iyer .......very solid technique 

Shankar was the original choice as the pace bowling allrounder,as he was always with the A team, but he would always get injured 

[Hojoborolo]

On 1/23/2021 at 3:05 PM, express bowling said:

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How is Easwaran against quick bowling and swing bowling ?

 

Any evidence that he can play either  ?

 

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Forget it. Although Easwaran was born in Uttarakhand, he is ethnically from the South, and developed his cricket in the East (i.e., Bengal). That is like a double-whammy when it comes to national selection in India. My recommendation would be for him to move to Ireland and try to qualify for the national team on residency - that is his best chance at playing test cricket. Does he have any other skills outside cricket with which he could get a visa? May be get a teaching degree, and then become a school PE teacher? That is often the post-retirement plan for many ex-county pros ... Once he is settled with a work-permit visa in Ireland, he should have no problem making the provincial sides and from there it should be a very short step for someone his caliber to make it into the national side.