Ian Chappel attributes India's fast bowling success to high population

[Vilander]

10 hours ago, Adamant said:

Average height of men in australia is 5"11

Average height of indians male is

5'4

 

Since aus has 24 mil population we should compare their avg to Mumbai City average height. I am sure it will be 5' 8 or 9 for Mumbai. Avg height has no meaning its avg of sample size taken in location that sampling was done, India has 1.3 bil people.  Other angle is does aus have more people over 6'5 or India which one do you think, so India probably has 30 time as many tall people as Aus. 

[Vilander]

6 hours ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

They're in the minority when you consider the entire population. Bumrah, Shami, Umesh Yadav, Bhuvi etc. are all 1.78 m or under.

Incorrect height is not an issue in populations with no nutritional problems. Half the country does not have access to basic amenities and good or any food and out of rest 25% is in rural areas with no reasonable access to amenities. Its just the urban semi urban and rural rich that are supplying cricket and out of that kerala ne and bengal jk are out. So I will put around 15 % of the 1.3 bil as catchment area so say around 200 mil. Not bad still. 

[Soldier]

7 hours ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

They're in the minority when you consider the entire population. Bumrah, Shami, Umesh Yadav, Bhuvi etc. are all 1.78 m or under.

Wrong. 

 

Bhuvi is 1.78

Bumrah is 1.80

Umesh 1.81

Shami is 175

 

 

[Soldier]

12 minutes ago, Vilander said:

 

Since aus has 24 mil population we should compare their avg to Mumbai City average height. I am sure it will be 5' 8 or 9 for Mumbai. Avg height has no meaning its avg of sample size taken in location that sampling was done, India has 1.3 bil people.  Other angle is does aus have more people over 6'5 or India which one do you think, so India probably has 30 time as many tall people as Aus. 

Lol people also forgrt India have plenty of strong tall wrestlers. We are number 5 in the world in wrestling too. 

Even in hockey we kicked Aussies butt recently and Belgium who are champions 

 

[Soldier]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

Earlier captains put more stock on line and length .Now the captains and coaches are putting more stock on fitness and speed. But before we think it is a fast bowling revolution, we need to see next group of fast bowlers who can bowl at 140 plus and be accurate also.

 

I don't think we have yet produced bowlers of of caliber like Dennis Lillee , Marshall. Bumrah is there but we need more bowlers like Bumrah.

Don't need to. We need 4 quality Pacers or an overall quality bowling attack rather than one or 2 individual superstar bowler's. 

 

Even just a tough under ATG is good enough when you have 3 or 4 quality Pacers of that calibre. It's a team sport. 

[G_B_]

I feel its a combo of things

 

Population , good decision makers and infra.

 

 

[Tibarn]

It's more because India's per-capita GDP has increased to lower-middle income levels, so more of that actual population can "waste time" with sports.

[nevada]

10 hours ago, putrevus said:

Earlier captains put more stock on line and length .Now the captains and coaches are putting more stock on fitness and speed. But before we think it is a fast bowling revolution, we need to see next group of fast bowlers who can bowl at 140 plus and be accurate also.

 

I don't think we have yet produced bowlers of of caliber like Dennis Lillee , Marshall. Bumrah is there but we need more bowlers like Bumrah.

Dennis Lillee caliber bowlers are very rare. Bumrah is also a rare breed and the jury is still out on his longevity given his action and workload due to all format participation. What is more practical is finding and supporting a pipeline of Siraj type bowlers who can execute the Coach's plans to a T. 

[deathmonger]

3 hours ago, Tibarn said:

It's more because India's per-capita GDP has increased to lower-middle income levels, so more of that actual population can "waste time" with sports.

and as it increases to upper middle (2030s) and eventually high (2050s) later on, that percentage of population will also increase (also india will add 300-350m people more by then)

[deathmonger]

8 hours ago, Vilander said:

Incorrect height is not an issue in populations with no nutritional problems. Half the country does not have access to basic amenities and good or any food and out of rest 25% is in rural areas with no reasonable access to amenities. Its just the urban semi urban and rural rich that are supplying cricket and out of that kerala ne and bengal jk are out. So I will put around 15 % of the 1.3 bil as catchment area so say around 200 mil. Not bad still. 

catchment area is getting bigger and bigger with time though.

[Soldier]

Go to public schools these days and you will be surprised how tall kids are. Indian kids ofcourse. Younger generation is getting taller and taller. Wouldn't be surprised if average height is 5'9. Average in Australia is 5'10. 

[kirkutfan]

4 hours ago, Tibarn said:

It's more because India's per-capita GDP has increased to lower-middle income levels, so more of that actual population can "waste time" with sports.

But then as gdp increases, you will have more guys replace cricket with the x box. Goes both ways..

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

9 hours ago, Vilander said:

 

Since aus has 24 mil population we should compare their avg to Mumbai City average height. I am sure it will be 5' 8 or 9 for Mumbai.

Mumbai has a lot of poor people, man. Probably an inch taller than the average of India at most.

[putrevus]

8 hours ago, nevada said:

Dennis Lillee caliber bowlers are very rare. Bumrah is also a rare breed and the jury is still out on his longevity given his action and workload due to all format participation. What is more practical is finding and supporting a pipeline of Siraj type bowlers who can execute the Coach's plans to a T. 

I don't think Siraj with his speed would have a long term success. He might do well in England and for couple of years but he will not be effective once his speed reduces further. To have  fast bowling culture, you need to have great feeder system. You cannot lose players like Mavi and Nagarkoti. They need to be developed and given great care.

Edited February 2, 2021 by putrevus

[putrevus]

15 hours ago, Soldier said:

Don't need to. We need 4 quality Pacers or an overall quality bowling attack rather than one or 2 individual superstar bowler's. 

 

Even just a tough under ATG is good enough when you have 3 or 4 quality Pacers of that calibre. It's a team sport. 

It is a team sport, WI of 1970s was the greatest team because they had 6 to 8 ATG fast bowlers and had constant influx of those great fast bowlers till 2000. You still need ATG bowlers to become a great team.

Edited February 2, 2021 by putrevus

[Soldier]

8 minutes ago, putrevus said:

It is a team sport, WI of 1970s was the greatest team because they had 6 to 8 ATG fast bowlers and had constant influx of those great fast bowlers till 2000. You still need ATG bowlers to become a great team.

What I meant is that we are no longer a super based side. Every player in the the team has to be able to contribute and win the game for the team.That's what we need to aim for. 

 

We have several matchwinners now. Not just one or 2 superstars. 

 

Only thing current t am is lacking now is exprience and a big name which will come with time. 

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Soldier said:

What I meant is that we are no longer a super based side. Every player in the the team has to be able to contribute and win the game for the team.That's what we need to aim for. 

 

We have several matchwinners now. Not just one or 2 superstars. 

 

Only thing current t am is lacking now is exprience and a big name which will come with time. 

You are basing that from one series. What happened in Australia will not happen in another 100 years.  We don't have several matchwinning fast bowlers.

[Soldier]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

You are basing that from one series. What happened in Australia will not happen in another 100 years.  We don't have several matchwinning fast bowlers.

Bumrah

Shami

Ishant

All are capable of winning games on their own depending on Condtions. It's the best attack in the world. 

 

 

 

[deathmonger]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

You are basing that from one series. What happened in Australia will not happen in another 100 years.  We don't have several matchwinning fast bowlers.

it will happen in the next series and the one after that and the one after that and so on..

 

do not be fooled by the past of cricket. teams like australia and england competing with a country of a billion like india was only possible due to poverty. those countries have plateaued as societies. we still have decades of growth left.

 

the australia series was just a harbinger of the future as was the decade previous. we have been getting better and better each decade as funds start flowing.

 

in two decades time all series with india will be mere formalities, home and away and most of the calendar will be domestic stuff. a us basketball scenario approaches.

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, putrevus said:

  We don't have several matchwinning fast bowlers.

 

 

Indian fast bowlers average 22 in test matches in the last 3 years.

 

All our 4 established fast bowlers are match winning bowlers now.