express bowling Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 33 minutes ago, sarchasm said: Jarrod Kimber drew an insightful parallel between Sundar and Ashton Agar. Agar was selected over Lyon and scored 90 odd batting at 9 which made Aus select him for the next test even though his bowling didn't light things up. Eventually Aus wisened to the fact that they need a bowler who pulls his weight as a bowler, and Agar was not that. Likewise, Sundar is a nothing bowler as of now. If he's going to play as a bowling all rounder, he has to pull his weight as bowler. Sundar was playing as a batting allrounder in tests. Batting at 7. While Agar, batting at 9, was occupying a specialist bowler's slot. BacktoCricaddict, Vilander and Mosher 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, sarchasm said: Batting position, 7 or 9, isn't much of relevance here though, is it? It's role definition that is key. Sundar has batting potential but he is simply not the player India are looking for when Jadeja's missing. He's not the bowling AR India require. Axar is what this team needed and it is on show in this very match even with Axar failing with bat twice. He's fits the role requirement. It can be Sundar, Ashwin and Axar, from 7 to 9, till the time Jadeja is back. I am a big supporter of Kuldeep but we need both Axar and Sundar, for their bowling and batting, till Jadeja recovers ... as he provides Sundar's batting along with better bowling than Axar, in one package. Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, sarchasm said: Batting position, 7 or 9, isn't much of relevance here though, is it? It's role definition that is key. Sundar has batting potential but he is simply not the player India are looking for when Jadeja's missing. He's not the bowling AR India require. Axar is what this team needed and it is on show in this very match even with Axar failing with bat twice. He's fits the role requirement. You and TM are basing Bowling of a 21 year old guy playing his 2nd test on One innings?! (He was bowled only one over in 2nd innings). The guy also had a catch dropped and the Buttler caught behind not given because of Kohli using up all DRS reviews. Also, when you are talking about Role defenition, just look at how many overs Kuldeep has been bowled! This team needs only two fulltime spinners, the third one should be a batting allrounder who can bowl a handful of overs like what Kuldeep has been used. For this, Sundar is more apt. Link to comment
Sachinism Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 What bakwaas thread. Sundar is picked as a bowler who can hold the bat. He is never going to be picked as a pure batsman. End of. Link to comment
ViruDilSeKhelo Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Next match, Sundar/Vihari should replace Kuldeep. Vihari would be a left field excellent pick, will strengthen batting and can bowl 10 overs of off spin and pick up the odd wicket. We need a longer batting lineup too and 4 main bowlers are enough to do the job versus England. Link to comment
Glory to india Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Send him back to domestics Gone are days when need to bring in any young player asap as we stink and desperate. This is not 90s Lately players come in after extensive A tours/FC games and 2 years at least of IPL under the belt. Thats why gill and siraj for example hit ground running when hit team in oz. They played against top international players for a few years and been to these foreign countries and so no shock, in fact they know exactly whats coming both on and off the field. We did exactly right thing making GIll wait and siraj. They spent a lot of time waiting for their moment including being woth squad for a while traing with team and getting feel for it. Sundar is raw and needs to go on A tours and pile up games in domestics. When he ready comes in, till then see you later. Even if a new tendulkar comes through now. They will not and should not go straight to team India. A tours/FC games and 2 years of IPL then moment comes. Same for devdutt and jaiswal and others. Sep 22 is earliest they may make a squad of any kind and rightly so. We have a system now and all players need to go through the process so dont get rough diamonds in team but polished guys ready to help team WIN! Before they learnt 50% of how to play for international team while in team now we have reduced this to say 15% and the results reflect this! ps I am the legend thats KING TENDULKAR looooooooooooool Jimmy Cliff and sarchasm 2 Link to comment
G_B_ Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 The truth is that Kuldeep has barely bowled in this test. He has batted twice with poor returns. 6 overs for 16 runs and no wickets. Honestly if Kohli is not going to bowl him or he is not needed then I think picking him does not make any sense. Either we go with another batsman or we play Sunder who is probably not as good as a bowler but can bat Link to comment
Gollum Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Doesn't make my first XI...yet. But the kid has got a high ceiling when it comes to batting potential, after the way we saw Smith transform never rule out someone like Sundar from making it big as a specialist batsman. Just 21, he played U-19 WC as a 16 yo!!! Plenty of time to improve, hope he is made to play in top 5 for India A consistently and he learns the art of making big 100s. As a red ball bowler he is so mediocre, does he even make it to his state team as a bowler? Link to comment
bowl_out Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 He has a high ceiling as a batsman, but that needs to translate into First class numbers.. Also, the expectation is very different when he is looked at as a batsman.. He needs to show that he can score big with the bat.. He has played some clutch knocks in pressure situations, but can he score hundreds to make case to be a No. 6 is yet to be seen. He won't walk into the XI, but he can be tried out sporadically.. He needs to show his batting prowess with a big Ranji season when the domestic season gets going Link to comment
Majestic Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 On a wicket outside subcontinent where there is not much happening, his batting will be important for us at no.7. He can play the role of Shakib Al Hasan, so he must always be under consideration in my opinion if Jadeja is missing. Link to comment
neel roy Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Pandya or Sundar will replace Kuldeep as per news floating in for the Ahmedabad test. Depends on the wicket express bowling 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 27 minutes ago, neel roy said: Pandya or Sundar will replace Kuldeep as per news floating in for the Ahmedabad test. Depends on the wicket ill go for thakur in pink ball test nevada, Vilander and G_B_ 2 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Sundar can play in place of kuldeep if they need to strengthen the batting, his bowling needs to improve. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 5 hours ago, neel roy said: Pandya or Sundar will replace Kuldeep as per news floating in for the Ahmedabad test. Depends on the wicket We'll be in trouble if its Pandya, which would suggest that the pitch would be more seam/swing friendly as I assume Pandya may bowl at least some overs. Sundar should ideally come in if Kuldeep's being dropped & again the pitch should turn more than first Chennai test, nit as much as this test though! Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Sundar should be in playing 11 in next test. Two good knocks in just two tests. Deserves 10 more tests. Link to comment
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: Sundar should be in playing 11 in next test. Two good knocks in just two tests. Deserves 10 more tests. And context matters, too. It's not like he scored those 50s and 60s on patta wickets when everyone else was scoring 100s and 200s. He didn't come in to bat at 500/5 against a mediocre attack. Rather, he came in high-pressure situations and was instrumental (along with others, of course) in creating history with his calm but positive attacking batting. Straight Drive and express bowling 2 Link to comment
GautiMaan Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Again proves to be more solid than some of the plodders and self branded crisis men,this guy must be promoted up the order raki05, express bowling, Real McCoy and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, GautiMaan said: Again proves to be more solid than some of the plodders and self branded crisis men,this guy must be promoted up the order Exactly when especially there is dearth of quality middle order bats in the country. Youngster like Sundar should be given longer run in Middle order. raki05 1 Link to comment
Popular Post SK_IH Posted March 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2021 More than anything it's the temperament he displays in crunch/ backs to the wall situation which is highly impressive. These kinds of players have to be part of the set up for big tournaments & big matches and stem the choking culture under King Kohli. Both Sundar & Pant have shown the propensity to excel under pressure & need backing. Banton, raki05, Forever Indian and 8 others 3 8 Link to comment
BacktoCricaddict Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 This guy is another national treasure. raki05 1 Link to comment
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