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Forget about foreign teams, is preparing rank turners not injustice to Indian fast bowlers ? Is it good for Indian team in the longer run ?

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Ironically,  I think this team plays best on pitches with decent pace and quite a bit of bounce but not much lateral movement. They are the worst players of seam movement in the world and are not great players of spin like previous Indian batsmen. But on pitches with good and consistent bounce they can bat, the spinners get purchase and the fast bowlers can get something out of it too. 

 

Flat pitches in india have a very low bounce component (read a Cricviz stat a while ago that it is lower than even UAE). So while run scoring is easy,  bowlers become toothless unless it reverse through the air and spinners have to bowl dry. 

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1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Right now, make the WTC final.  Then we can set up WACA or Sabina Park or the grassy knolls of the colonial lords in all Indian stadiums for the next 2 years.  

Spot on, making WTC final is the most important thing now.For that if they have roll out bunsen burners , so be it. 

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9 hours ago, kubrickian said:

I couldnt care less about the whinging Poms, but if we prepare only rank turners where 95% wickets are taken by spinners and seamers exist only to bowl a couple of overs with new ball and stand at the boundary for the rest of the game, this essentially means fast bowlers will only get good conditions to bowl when they tour overseas. Because any player essentially plays more than half their games at home, Bumrah, Shami and even upcoming seamers will need to settle for a mediocre career even though they are brilliant as Cummins or Rabada. 

 

BCCI will prepare rank turners any day which favor India because it ensures wins but is that good for Indian team in the long run when we are playing so much cricket overseas especially in SENA countries. Would it be better to prepare wickets which help seamers and also spinners on 4th and 5th days and also be prepared to lose a game(or even a series) for better contests and also improve all round quality of the team ?

Put It this way. If Indian bowlers can excel here they can excel anywhere. That's the idea. 

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6 hours ago, Vilander said:

yup a full strength England might even run India close if they win most tosses. They will beat pak as well ( probably can beat BD as is ) and obviously they beat SL. India struggles to beat NZ Eng as of now in our away tours. 

Let India win 4 out of 5 tosses in England or n.z and you will see India thrashing them away as well. 

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If Umesh and Shami and jaddu were available, we would have given sporting pitches with little  help for spin and reverse swing. 

 

England would have had some serious issues if those 3 played. Right now we have to prepare Turner's because we don't have those 3. 

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Given the fact Indian players don't play domestic like they used to do in the 80s and 90s their game against spin has regressed. We get out to spinners even overseas. Lyon, Moeen have won matches with their spin.  If anything Indian batting line up is better equipped to handle pace than spin. So I say it is a gain not a loss.

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6 hours ago, Vilander said:

yup a full strength England might even run India close if they win most tosses. They will beat pak as well ( probably can beat BD as is ) and obviously they beat SL. India struggles to beat NZ Eng as of now in our away tours. 

 

Absolutely wrong comparison.

 

Your example supposes that all the teams are equal strength. They are not.

 

New Zealand are the no 1 ranked team and have probably their greatest ever XI and 4-5 players form this team will walk into their all time XI. 

England are ranked 4 and have 3-4 players who can enter their all time XI.

 

Pakistan are 5 (gap of 18 points with England, England meanwhile just have a gap of 10 points from 1st placed NZ) and have one of their weakest teams of all time and have no one who would get into their all time XI.

 

SL are 7th and it's the same thing. 

 

You cannot just compare like that.

 

Compare vs the same countries.

Ind whitewashes WI in WI. Eng lost.

Ind defeated Aus in Aus. Eng lost.

Both lost against NZ.

Only place they have done better than us is SA but the SA we played had DeVilliers, Steyn and Morkel. I full expect us to win the series in the winter.

 

Your comparison is like saying in 1995 that Pakistan is better than Australia cause they beat NZ and Eng away while Aus can't beat Pak and Ind away. That's cause they were some of the worst and weakest Eng and NZ teams of all time while both Pak and Ind were decent teams with a few all timers in their XI.

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Full strength England vs full stength in India? India will smoke them 3 0.

 

Away India loses but it will be competitive provided India take them seriously. India never replay with the sam fire and intensity they display vs Aussies when they tour England. 

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I’m amazed nobody talking about ‘the master of making  doctored pitches ‘ NZ  ,how blatantly they served us green mambas in both test without making  any fuss and nobody complained about it cause they are small nation and goody - goody people so they  have every right to make any kind of pitches .At the helm of wtc final ,keep aside your inner consciousness .

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1 hour ago, VT87 said:

I’m amazed nobody talking about ‘the master of making  doctored pitches ‘ NZ  ,how blatantly they served us green mambas in both test without making  any fuss and nobody complained about it cause they are small nation and goody - goody people so they  have every right to make any kind of pitches .At the helm of wtc final ,keep aside your inner consciousness .

NZ rarely complain about pitches they get served when they though. And i have never heard them deny preparing pitches for opposition teams the way English fans do so vehemently. 

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If it feels good to watch a pacers swinging the ball and taking outside edge, it looks equally lovely to watch a spinner  outfox a batsman in flight or beat them with turn. 
 

So both are a art and require both talent and hard work and not as if spin comes easy

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