Has Pant already eclipsed Dhoni as a TEST batsman ?

[velu]

Thala never cared about tests 

[LordPrabhzy]

11 minutes ago, velu said:

Thala never cared about tests 

I think that’s not a fair assessment.

 

He loved tests so much he played them during ODIs..

[velu]

10 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

I think that’s not a fair assessment.

 

He loved tests so much he played them during ODIs..

 

He played tests for as well  

[R!TTER]

28 minutes ago, velu said:

Thala never cared about tests 

Yeah I know, skipped the Mendis debut series in SL - clear signs of where his priorities lay!

[Rasgulla]

9 hours ago, New guy said:

Individual don't have series wins, teams do. If  Sundar or pujara had failed, pants knocks would be in vain. Too much for a retarded bot to understand, I know 

Didn't you dumbass blame Dhoni for 9-0 ? What happened to your "Indivduals don't have blah blah crap". You use it according to your convenience is it ? But the thing is he was there till the end to win India series unlike your sachu!

[New guy]

1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

Didn't you dumbass blame Dhoni for 9-0 ? What happened to your "Indivduals don't have blah blah crap". You use it according to your convenience is it ? But the thing is he was there till the end to win India series unlike your sachu!

 Captains are responsible for teams. Thats the whole points of captaincy. No one would blame Dhoni for 9-0 if he only played as a player and not captain 

 

We have sung praises and praises and praises for Dhoni winning world cup as Captain while sachin is blamed for being a horrid captain because of team loses 

 

I seriously think you are a bit mentally challenged, you cannot understand or follow the simplest of points and keep jumping to completely unrelated things 

Edited March 11, 2021 by New guy

[Jay]

Dhoni was a poor test batsman apart from Asian and n.z Condtions surprisingly. That time they produced Pattas though. Did ok in England when India were already losing. 

 

Dhoni was a trash captian. 

 

Insult to compare this fraud test cricketer to an Atg like pant. 

 

Dhoni was an AtG short format player. Absolutely. 

 

Test cricket ? Cypher. 

[rangeelaraja]

9 minutes ago, Jay said:

Dhoni was a poor test batsman apart from Asian and n.z Condtions surprisingly. That time they produced Pattas though. Did ok in England when India were already losing. 

 

Dhoni was a trash captian. 

 

Insult to compare this fraud test cricketer to an Atg like pant. 

 

Dhoni was an AtG short format player. Absolutely. 

 

Test cricket ? Cypher. 

Atg like Pant. LOL. 
 

agreed pant had played 3 match winning knocks in recent times. But how loosely Indian fans use ATG —For someone who has played a mere 20 matches.

 

the moment he has a bad patch, this same lot would demand that he be dropped. 

[Jay]

33 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

Atg like Pant. LOL. 
 

agreed pant had played 3 match winning knocks in recent times. But how loosely Indian fans use ATG —For someone who has played a mere 20 matches.

 

the moment he has a bad patch, this same lot would demand that he be dropped. 

i judge based on quality not quantity. 

 

bumrah is already an ATG level bowler for us. so is shame. Ability matters more to me. 

 

if both have a steep decline from now on then sure take them out of the ATG list. I am putting them in our ATG list based on how they have performed so early in their careers. in terms of sheer talent and ability, both walk into most ATG teams. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by Jay

[rangeelaraja]

14 minutes ago, Jay said:

i judge based on quality not quantity. 

 

bumrah is already an ATG level bowler for us. so is shame. Ability matters more to me. 

 

if both have a steep decline from now on then sure take them out of the ATG list. I am putting them in our ATG list based on how they have performed so early in their careers. in terms of sheer talent and ability, both walk into most ATG teams. 

 

Cricket can be cruel game and has a long history . Fans have short memories.

 

Pant is a terrific terrific talent. 
 

But ATG cannot be used so loosely. 
 

 

[Trichromatic]

Rishabh Pant Batsman Ranking - Test
Born	04/10/1997
Role	N/A
Current Rating	731
Current Ranking	6
Best Rating	801
Best Ranking	5
Total Runs	2419
Batting Average	44.80

 

 

MS Dhoni Batsman Ranking - Test
Born	07/07/1981
Role	Batsman/keeper
Best Rating	662
Best Ranking	19
Total Runs	4876
Batting Average	38.09

[test fan]

Dhoni was never a test batsmen. 

[singhvivek141]

In Tests Pant is ahead. He will leave MS far behind for any future discussions if he carries his form for next 3 years.

 

In ODI...Dhoni is way ahead. The version of 2004-2014 MS was a different beast. Those two inns of 72*(46) & 77*(56) in Pakistan was a dream. Pant has a steep mountain to climb.

 

In T20's....DK is better than these two.

[Nikhil_cric]

3 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

In Tests Pant is ahead. He will leave MS far behind for any future discussions if he carries his form for next 3 years.

 

In ODI...Dhoni is way ahead. The version of 2004-2014 MS was a different beast. Those two inns of 72*(46) & 77*(56) in Pakistan was a dream. Pant has a steep mountain to climb.

 

In T20's....DK is better than these two.

I don't know about DK being better. It just shows how crap our keeper batsmen have been in T20Is. 

 

MS was indeed the best in ODIs if we ignore his career from 2014 onwards. 

 

I think even in Tests, he was more than fine in Asian conditions. Problem was in Southern Hemisphere where he couldn't play bounce at all  

 

He was still the best Test keeper bat we ever had at that point.  Ahead of Mongia and co 

 

 

[singhvivek141]

2 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I don't know about DK being better. It just shows how crap our keeper batsmen have been in T20Is. 

 

MS was indeed the best in ODIs if we ignore his career from 2014 onwards. 

 

I think even in Tests, he was more than fine in Asian conditions. Problem was in Southern Hemisphere where he couldn't play bounce at all  

 

He was still the best Test keeper bat we ever had at that point.  Ahead of Mongia and co 

Not sure, I haven't seen Farrokh Engineer bat but my father was a big fan of him. He was a lot better batter in comparison to the keepers which followed him.

 

But yeah, MS was superior keeper-bat in Tests than Surinder Amarnath, Kirmani, More, Mongia and the rest. 

[Nikhil_cric]

2 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Not sure, I haven't seen Farrokh Engineer bat but my father was a big fan of him. He was a lot better batter in comparison to the keepers which followed him.

 

But yeah, MS was superior keeper-bat in Tests than Surinder Amarnath, Kirmani, More, Mongia and the rest. 

Yeah even my mother, a cricket fanatic, considered Engineer the best keeper even though she barely saw him play. 

 

But we can't judge that era much.  It was a different sport altogether. 

 

MS was the 2nd best keeper bat of the last 50 years and even that is only because we found Pant.