Is ICF wrong and Virat right?

[prasen82]

Then create spin tracks for wc where jaddu and ashwin can take wickets not the test ones and where slower bals work fine. Don't allow 350+ tracks. Make it more 280-300 type of wickets where batsmen will need to earn their runs. That's the only way we lift the cup. Build it to suit our strengths.

[OpeningBatsman]

What's funny is.. I went over to some English sites after the match (the guardian and bbc) n the fans are absolutely roasting Morgan n team 

 

They actually want them to tone down on the hitting and are really pissed at Morgan for saying that's how they play, in the post match presentation. 

 

 

[OpeningBatsman]

1 hour ago, prasen82 said:

Then create spin tracks for wc where jaddu and ashwin can take wickets not the test ones and where slower bals work fine. Don't allow 350+ tracks. Make it more 280-300 type of wickets where batsmen will need to earn their runs. That's the only way we lift the cup. Build it to suit our strengths.

ICC tournament pitches are made by icc appointed curators. 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, OpeningBatsman said:

What's funny is.. I went over to some English sites after the match (the guardian and bbc) n the fans are absolutely roasting Morgan n team 

 

They actually want them to tone down on the hitting and are really pissed at Morgan for saying that's how they play, in the post match presentation. 

 

 

 

Fans will be fans but Morgan knows what he is doing ... No one can win everything. At times, you can go through a rough patch as well. 

[OpeningBatsman]

Edit. Wrong thrd

Edited March 23, 2021 by OpeningBatsman

[sage]

32 minutes ago, OpeningBatsman said:

What's funny is.. I went over to some English sites after the match (the guardian and bbc) n the fans are absolutely roasting Morgan n team 

 

They actually want them to tone down on the hitting and are really pissed at Morgan for saying that's how they play, in the post match presentation. 

 

 

Yep was reading BBC sport... England fans are fuming at Morgan 

[Global.Baba]

Attacking cricket is fine but doesn’t mean

 

brainless cricket = attacking cricket 

 

Rohit,Kohli and even Dhawan will not be called defensive cricketers by any definition.

Neither mine, Wisden, Cricket manual or any one who knows even a little about cricket.

 

No  one will call them defensive batsmen.

 

On the other hand brainless cricket is unacceptable and England’s batting today is what most  ICF wants. High risk but High reward, the one time it comes off it will be as exciting as Afridi or my batting hero Axar Patel’s knock but rest will be what it is.

 

I think our batting approach is just fine. Need some right players in the right form/confidence  in the right places and Indian juggernaut under the leadership of Kohli and continued on field guidance from Rohit and off field cricket guidance from our coaching staff will be unstoppable.

Edited March 23, 2021 by Global.Baba

[Ankit_sharma03]

16 minutes ago, sage said:

Yep was reading BBC sport... England fans are fuming at Morgan 

 

Fans shud be ignored, they have a set and terrific template. Every template will have its ups n down, ours one also suck in many scenarios 

[Global.Baba]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Fans shud be ignored, they have a set and terrific template. Every template will have its ups n down, ours one also suck in many scenarios 

 Our template is just fine. Maybe get the guys with the right form and in the right place, we have everything covered.

 

We need sensible batting and we have enough bowling fire power to defend scores.

 

In fact about time we tell the world this is how it’s done than being fascinated by this brainless approach from England filled with a lot of hacks.

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

 Our template is just fine. Maybe get the guys with the right form and in the right place, we have everything covered.

 

We need sensible batting and we have enough bowling fire power to defend scores.

 

In fact about time we tell the world this is how it’s done than being fascinated by this brainless approach from England filled with a lot of hacks.

 

jaago mohan pyaare ye 2021 hai, we had a better approach then this in 2011 . The side ur calling brainless is a better side then us 

 

Actually our strategy is the one that brainless

 

• England most batsman bat with same momentum not creating a pressure on other vs Indian batsman who leave it to much for last on guys like pandya who has a high risk game so definately it wont work every. 
• Making every ball in 300 balls count vs making a phase count . In a batting dominated era of white ball cricket we are still playing safe as if 70s 
• I made a thread a Powerplay batting- watch guys batting in PP in 90s and compare now when batting has evolved so much 

[zen]

 If Rohit played aggressively, you would probably not have this thread ... If Rohit played aggressively, some folks would be like Ind should play this way 

[Global.Baba]

50 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

• Making every ball in 300 balls count vs making a phase count . In a batting dominated era of white ball cricket we are still playing safe as if 70s 
•  

making every ball count is practically impossible. Cricket is played between a batsman and a bowler, if batsman is making every ball count means bowler has just become a harmless machine. That’s the day cricket will die but guess what cricket will never die.

 

Also what exactly is attacking cricket according to you?

 

A bowler cannot bowl attacking lengths every ball, on a flat pitch a ball close to off side wide line is worth its weight in gold more than a attempted full outswinger. Would you call it defensive cricket or sensible cricket.

 

Sensible batting doesn’t mean go all Pujara on the opposition. Assess the pitch, assess the opposition, assess the conditions, know your teams strengths batting/bowling and then target a score accordingly. Yes it is as hard as it sounds and because we have some genius batsmen amidst our ranks and bowlers we are top 2-3 in all formats. Simple example, had England targeted Kuldeep, played out Bhuvi or sensible cricket today we would have been in trouble because Hardik was unavailable to bowl I think.

 

Also Bairstow or Roy shot is not brainless, they were with the flow and that can be excused as attacking cricket as they were set but some of the other batsmen were brainless.

 

Thats the difference. Stop craving for highlights and enjoy the nuances of this great game.

 

Afridi will be fun today forgotten tomorrow, A sachin lasts forever. 

[SK_IH]

Just because England collapsed tomorrow thanks to very good bowling by our bowlers, suddenly India's approach has become fine. Dhawan is a star again lol. Mind you even a run a ball start would have meant 20-30 more runs in the end. The bowling will always look incisive when you ain't doing anything about it & are absolutely defensive in your mind set to play "proper" cricket. 

England have been stupid lately, they should win the toss & bat first. Try n bat India out of the game.Its apparent even their batsmen are not that relishing the opportunity to chase again n again & collapsing repeatedly.

India chasing big target will once again expose the great approach of Indian top order again. In the WC match against England, I ll never forget India were 28 runs after 10 overs in a chase of 340. That's our chewtiya approach.

[RajBan]

54 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Just because England collapsed tomorrow thanks to very good bowling by our bowlers, suddenly India's approach has become fine. Dhawan is a star again lol. Mind you even a run a ball start would have meant 20-30 more runs in the end. The bowling will always look incisive when you ain't doing anything about it & are absolutely defensive in your mind set to play "proper" cricket. 

England have been stupid lately, they should win the toss & bat first. Try n bat India out of the game.Its apparent even their batsmen are not that relishing the opportunity to chase again n again & collapsing repeatedly.

India chasing big target will once again expose the great approach of Indian top order again. In the WC match against England, I ll never forget India were 28 runs after 10 overs in a chase of 340. That's our chewtiya approach.

This sums it up. Kohli's luck worked in this match because England were stupid to not win this game after being 135/0 on 15th over. This won't happen everyday and this does not make Dhawan or Kohli a hero. Dhawan in particular needs to be dropped as he is a one trick pony who typically scores 1-2 in a series to keep his place, he rarely plays innings of any significance other than some monotonous less than run a ball 70-80 within his comfort level. That approach is outdated and puts pressure on our middle order . Krunal Pandya wont play that kind of innings every day(probably never again) to win Dhawan the MoM.

[New guy]

5 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

Attacking cricket is fine but doesn’t mean

 

brainless cricket = attacking cricket 

 

Rohit,Kohli and even Dhawan will not be called defensive cricketers by any definition.

Neither mine, Wisden, Cricket manual or any one who knows even a little about cricket.

 

No  one will call them defensive batsmen.

 

On the other hand brainless cricket is unacceptable and England’s batting today is what most  ICF wants. High risk but High reward, the one time it comes off it will be as exciting as Afridi or my batting hero Axar Patel’s knock but rest will be what it is.

 

I think our batting approach is just fine. Need some right players in the right form/confidence  in the right places and Indian juggernaut under the leadership of Kohli and continued on field guidance from Rohit and off field cricket guidance from our coaching staff will be unstoppable.

England won the world cup with this approach. We lost. 

[New guy]

3 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

making every ball count is practically impossible. Cricket is played between a batsman and a bowler, if batsman is making every ball count means bowler has just become a harmless machine. That’s the day cricket will die but guess what cricket will never die.

 

Also what exactly is attacking cricket according to you?

 

A bowler cannot bowl attacking lengths every ball, on a flat pitch a ball close to off side wide line is worth its weight in gold more than a attempted full outswinger. Would you call it defensive cricket or sensible cricket.

 

Sensible batting doesn’t mean go all Pujara on the opposition. Assess the pitch, assess the opposition, assess the conditions, know your teams strengths batting/bowling and then target a score accordingly. Yes it is as hard as it sounds and because we have some genius batsmen amidst our ranks and bowlers we are top 2-3 in all formats. Simple example, had England targeted Kuldeep, played out Bhuvi or sensible cricket today we would have been in trouble because Hardik was unavailable to bowl I think.

 

Also Bairstow or Roy shot is not brainless, they were with the flow and that can be excused as attacking cricket as they were set but some of the other batsmen were brainless.

 

Thats the difference. Stop craving for highlights and enjoy the nuances of this great game.

 

Afridi will be fun today forgotten tomorrow, A sachin lasts forever. 

Once again england won the world cup with their approach. We lost. Everything else is moot 

[Jimmy Cliff]

Nothing succeeds like success. They had the opportunity to shut up everyone during the last WC if they hadn't shat their pants in the SF. The irony is, the SF vs NZ as well as the infamous final were both relatively low scoring games for this era where they could have shown the "risk-free" approach works. Not only did the TO crumble but they also didn't have the conviction to send Dhoni at 4 to shut up the shop when it was needed. 

[RajBan]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Nothing succeeds like success. They had the opportunity to shut up everyone during the last WC if they hadn't shat their pants in the SF. The irony is, the SF vs NZ as well as the infamous final were both relatively low scoring games for this era where they could have shown the "risk-free" approach works. Not only did the TO crumble but they also didn't have the conviction to send Dhoni at 4 to shut up the shop when it was needed. 

The top 3 under Kohli lack strategy and application. Jadeja saved the face and converted a humiliating defeat to an impossible fight.

[rollingstoned]

5 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

making every ball count is practically impossible. Cricket is played between a batsman and a bowler, if batsman is making every ball count means bowler has just become a harmless machine. That’s the day cricket will die but guess what cricket will never die.

 

Also what exactly is attacking cricket according to you?

 

A bowler cannot bowl attacking lengths every ball, on a flat pitch a ball close to off side wide line is worth its weight in gold more than a attempted full outswinger. Would you call it defensive cricket or sensible cricket.

 

Sensible batting doesn’t mean go all Pujara on the opposition. Assess the pitch, assess the opposition, assess the conditions, know your teams strengths batting/bowling and then target a score accordingly. Yes it is as hard as it sounds and because we have some genius batsmen amidst our ranks and bowlers we are top 2-3 in all formats. Simple example, had England targeted Kuldeep, played out Bhuvi or sensible cricket today we would have been in trouble because Hardik was unavailable to bowl I think.

 

Also Bairstow or Roy shot is not brainless, they were with the flow and that can be excused as attacking cricket as they were set but some of the other batsmen were brainless.

 

Thats the difference. Stop craving for highlights and enjoy the nuances of this great game.

 

Afridi will be fun today forgotten tomorrow, A sachin lasts forever. 

it doesn't have to be an either or situation though, the options available to us are not playing like Afridi or playing like Pujara. We are following the template of scoring 250 in 50 overs only that number itself has gone up because of t20 cricket, power play rules and 2 new balls. this current batting approach is reflected in how our experts themselves see the value of each phase of play and innings. Morgan is right in that more often than not they will win playing like this. I remember we lost the 1st odi against australia in similar fashion where warner and finch cantered home without getting out with plenty of overs to spare after we thought we had enough.

[putrevus]

2 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Nothing succeeds like success. They had the opportunity to shut up everyone during the last WC if they hadn't shat their pants in the SF. The irony is, the SF vs NZ as well as the infamous final were both relatively low scoring games for this era where they could have shown the "risk-free" approach works. Not only did the TO crumble but they also didn't have the conviction to send Dhoni at 4 to shut up the shop when it was needed. 

I completely agree with your point.They had opportunity to shut everyone but Kohli of all people choked. Kohli had to absorb the pressure and take India over the line.Until Kohli does help India win ICC tournament, that choker tag will follow him everywhere.

 

I don't think they ever had belief that Dhoni could survive that opening spell that is why they did not send him up the order.