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Batting deep or specialist bowlers for ODIs?

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1 hour ago, Texan said:

Batting deep.  When will India ever get it?

 

Unless specialist bowler is a Bumrah....

We can only play the aggressive brand of cricket if we have an ODI lineup like:-

 

Rohit

Dhawan( for now and replace by Shaw soon)

Kohli

Pant

KL

Pandya

Jadeja

Shardul

Ashwin

Shami/Bhuvi

Bumrah

 

Without Shardul at 8 and Ashwin at 9, we can't do well consistently enough with the aggressive brand of cricket because there will be occasions where we lose 6 wickets by around 40 overs.

 

 

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I think you should have 3 specialist batsman,3 specialist bowlers , 1 hard hitting wk batsman and 5 players who are good/above average in 2 of 3 skills. If they are average in one, they have to be exceptional in other.

 

I think you can no longer play KL, rohit, dhawan and kohli together.

 

Rohit , Kohli and Sky/iyer have to be the 3 specialist batsman.

 

The remaining 4 bat/bowl ar should be thakur, jadeja, sundar, krunal, ashwin, 

 

Three specialist bowlers will have to be  shami, bhuvi and bumrah. All the rest will need to do back up duty 

 

Team order

 

Sundar

Rohit 

Kohli

SkY/iyer

Pant

Hardik

Jadeja

Thakur

Ashwin

Bumrah

Bhuvi

 

This way you have 3 wicket taking bowlers in bhuvi, ashwin and bumrah.

Jadeja could throttle runs and you have 4 bowlers who can bowl the 5th over.

 

If sundar is a luxury, replace with ishan.

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12 hours ago, Majestic said:

We can only play the aggressive brand of cricket if we have an ODI lineup like:-

 

Rohit

Dhawan( for now and replace by Shaw soon)

Kohli

Pant

KL

Pandya

Jadeja

Shardul

Ashwin

Shami/Bhuvi

Bumrah

 

Without Shardul at 8 and Ashwin at 9, we can't do well consistently enough with the aggressive brand of cricket because there will be occasions where we lose 6 wickets by around 40 overs.

 

 

 

If World cup is tomorrow, I will play this team.

 

Bating till 9.

6 bowlers including two experienced spinners.

 

 

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I believe that in modern ODI and T20, there shall not be more than 3 genuine bowlers. 

 

Also, 6 bowling  options are must in white ball cricket. So there should be 2 batting allrounders and 1 bowling allrounder.

 

So for India,

 

Hardik

Jadeja

Thakur/ Washi

+ 3 specialist bowler should be way forward

 

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Specialists, atleast 3 in ODIs are a must as long as they are quality. Wickettakers win you matches in the middleovers, that cant be substituted for any amount of batting ability.

 

T20, one can get away with having just 2 specialists. Bat deep till no 9 and have them bowl enough along with other options in the top 7.

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We need to look for bowlers like Chahar and Thakur who can bat a bit. We CANNOT afford bowlers who bat like they have a broomstick in hand! Barring Bumrah, none are great in bowling either. They just serve up juicy half trackers or length balls which disappear into the stands and then show Allan Donald/ McGrath level of (non)batsmanship, which is totally unforgivable! 

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20 minutes ago, nevada said:

We CANNOT afford bowlers who bat like they have a broomstick in hand! Barring Bumrah, none are great in bowling either.

If we can have bowlers with even 70 percent of Bumrah's strike rate, then I'll gladly take them with no batting ability.

 

With the kind of batting line-up India possess, they really should not be worrying about batting contribution from the tail. What they really need is bowlers who are proper wicket taking threats. Work on deepening the pool of strike bowlers beyond Bumrah, Shami, and Bhuvi. Maybe even consider bringing Ashwin back in LOIs.

 

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3 hours ago, deepdynamo said:

I believe that in modern ODI and T20, there shall not be more than 3 genuine bowlers. 

 

Also, 6 bowling  options are must in white ball cricket. So there should be 2 batting allrounders and 1 bowling allrounder.

 

So for India,

 

Hardik

Jadeja

Thakur/ Washi

+ 3 specialist bowler should be way forward

 

I agree but i would still want these allrounders to have that X factor be it with the bat or ball, someone like Kedhar Jadhav or good old Joginder Sharma should not make it into the XI just to make up the numbers

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