Is Gill a bit like Barry Richards?

[rkt.india]

The above video I watched. A left hander is batting. Ball is coming so slow ki vo stumps ke piche table pe chai ka cup rakh sakta hai aur chai ki chuski le le ke batting kar sakta hai. 

[zen]

19 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

The above video I watched. A left hander is batting. Ball is coming so slow ki vo stumps ke piche table pe chai ka cup rakh sakta hai aur chai ki chuski le le ke batting kar sakta hai. 

This is not a place to display ignorance about past players.

 

Btw, which village are you from? I recall you posted some pic about your lodge or something on some remote mountains/hills.

Edited May 31, 2022 by zen

[Majestic]

Can't say about Barry but his batting style reminds a bit of VVS Laxman. Elegance, timing, plays pace and bounce very well and also plays spin well.

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, zen said:

This is not a place to display ignorance about past players.

 

Btw, which village are you from? I recall you posted some pic about your lodge or something on some remote mountains/hills.

That's Chakrata which is a cantonment town. 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Majestic said:

Can't say about Barry but his batting style reminds a bit of VVS Laxman. Elegance, timing, plays pace and bounce very well and also plays spin well.

Gill is a bottom hand batsman. Laxman was a top hand batsman.

[zen]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

That's Chakrata which is a cantonment town. 

 

Googled its pictures ... Looks good! I like mountains/hills 

[zen]

Good 2023 season for Gill so far in LOIs … included a double 100 in ODIs and a 100 in T20s 

[Chakdephatte]

4 hours ago, zen said:

Good 2023 season for Gill so far in LOIs … included a double 100 in ODIs and a 100 in T20s 

 

This has nothing do with Barry Richards. 

[Insidious]

Gill ki pant Gilli ho jati hai Spinners ko dekh kar. Worst player of spin along with Rahul in ODI squad. Nothing special against seam & swing. May be only good against pace & bounce.

It is blasphemy to compare him with Barry Richards now.

[kosingh]

 Commentators always talk about Gill's height....but how tall is exactly? Wikipedia says 5'10. Not super tall. 

[Chakdephatte]

1 hour ago, kosingh said:

 Commentators always talk about Gill's height....but how tall is exactly? Wikipedia says 5'10. Not super tall. 

 

Wikipedia, LOL! Untrustworthy site, they have no sources.

[vvvslaxman]

On 3/31/2021 at 5:20 AM, prudent_kreeda said:

From whatever little we see here , Gill mostly has a  little back & across movement going back in crease or stands still  while Barry mostly stays where he is or has forward movement . Tries to move towards the ball when playing out side off balls while stays where he is while playing on onside.

Not saying what Gill is doing is wrong, for playing shots gives his stance a good base with his current approach. 

But looking at the problem he has -  getting LBW & Bowled  or playing away from body and getting caught in slips , could be Barry's foot movement be better for him? 

By moving forward and also covering the line of balls , he can play near to the ball line and also can save in LBW as he can meet early before it swings much and also impact could be outside of the off stump.

I think footage mostly from Aus , would be great if we can see footage from ENG  where he made tons of runs in county cricket . Soem time great players use different approach in different conditions .

 

 

Gill is unique. Especially with minimum batswing. He has few shots resembling Kohli's especially slapped cover drive. Otherwise he is unique. His body doesn't get into twisted position when he plays shots. Clean/crisp sounds. No flourishing backlift like Yuvi everything optimal . Backlift,  follow through everything in straight line. He has the tendency to go hard at everything. In Indian conditions you have to deadbat at times. His semi backfoot shots on both sides are unique. Not seen from anyone.

[AKane]

On 3/31/2021 at 12:30 AM, Jimmy Cliff said:

Barry could excel against the likes of Lillee unlike some of the other openers of his era.

Barry Richards never played against Dennis Lillee in a test match. 

 

Barry Richards played only 4 tests - all against Australia in South Africa.  Australia had Graham McKenzie and Alan Connolly as bowlers.

 

McKenzie after the tour of India (before SA) was never the same bowler he was before the Indian tour. "Something happened to Garth on that tour" was what was said. He claimed just 1 wicket in 3 matches in South Africa. Connolly was fast medium . Laurie Mayne was another bowler just 19 wickets for 33 odd average in career. BTW both McKenzie and Connolly averaged 29 odd per wicket.

 

Basically Barry Richards never played against any great pace attack in a test match.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2023 by AKane

[zen]

45 minutes ago, AKane said:

Barry Richards never played against Dennis Lillee in a test match. 

Barry batted against Lillee in the World Series, which many consider as “unofficial tests”:

 

 

Edited March 23, 2023 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

22 hours ago, kosingh said:

 Commentators always talk about Gill's height....but how tall is exactly? Wikipedia says 5'10. Not super tall. 

May be slightly more than that. We can only calculate using a reference. Arshdeep is pretty tall. 6'3" i believe. Hooda is also over 6'. Here he is between them.

 

[AKane]

2 hours ago, zen said:

Barry batted against Lillee in the World Series, which many consider as “unofficial tests”:

 

 

Yeah - where the WI players played for World XI vs Aus and then some Aus players played for World XI vs WI etc in the same tour. Imagine the locker room atmosphere.... and compare to India vs Aus after the 36 in I2 a couple of years ago.

 

When one points out Lillee's lack of wickets in WI/Pak/Ind (outside Aus/Eng/NZ) ..... Australians also use the Packer series to point out that "he bowled well in WI in WSC".

 

The pressure of test cricket is just not there where national teams play each other in this tamasha.

 

Like this match below  Imran + Kapil + Hadlee had 1 wicket in 70 overs bowled between them in first Inning.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/rest-of-the-world-xi-tour-of-england-1987-399323/marylebone-cricket-club-vs-rest-of-the-world-xi-399159/full-scorecard

Edited March 24, 2023 by AKane

[zen]

2 hours ago, AKane said:

When one points out Lillee's lack of wickets in WI/Pak/Ind (outside Aus/Eng/NZ)

 

Ok, but Lillee played 1 game in WI, 0 in India (not a top test-playing country of his time), and 3 in Pak, where pitches were designed to neutralize him and where Pak pacers struggled too. There is no major issue here. 

 

When it comes to WSC, many top players skipped national games to play it. In fact, Aus had to field a makeshift 11 to play India in one of the series, which Aus won 3-2 iirc. Considering the quality and type of cricketers that participated, WSC could be competitive. 

[AKane]

9 minutes ago, zen said:

Ok, but Lillee played 1 game in WI, 0 in India (not a top test-playing country of his time), and 3 in Pak, where pitches were designed to neutralize him and where Pak pacers struggled too. There is no major issue here. 

 

Oh but there is a very big issue - if you don't play in hostile environs and claim to be worlds top fast bowler.... Imagine if Marshall never played in 3 test playing countries, Lillee's own countrymen would be pointing that out all the time. 

 

For ex Kapil played everywhere - no exceptions.

[zen]

23 minutes ago, AKane said:

 

Oh but there is a very big issue - if you don't play in hostile environs and claim to be worlds top fast bowler.... Imagine if Marshall never played in 3 test playing countries, Lillee's own countrymen would be pointing that out all the time. 

 

For ex Kapil played everywhere - no exceptions.

 

That is your take on evaluating players ... On the other hand, Heath Streak played almost everywhere. That does not make him better than someone who played at fewer places than him ... At the end of the day, it is the absolute quality of a bowler that matters more than anything else. 

 

 

As for Lillee, I like that he has worked at the MRF foundation to help pace bowlers in India, which is more than what many ex-Indian cricketers have done for bowlers. 

 

PS from Wiki:

 

"MRF Pace Foundation is a coaching clinic for training fast bowlers from all over the world. Based in Chennai, India, it was founded in 1987 by MRF Limited, with the help of former Australian pace spearhead Dennis Lillee. Through this program, young aspiring fast bowlers are trained in a facility located at the campus of Madras Christian College Higher Secondary School, Chetpet, Chennai.

 

Fast bowlers who have trained with the MRF Pace Foundation and gone on to represent the Indian Cricket Team include Vivek Razdan, Javagal Srinath, Irfan Pathan, Munaf Patel, Venkatesh Prasad, R. P. Singh, Zaheer Khan and Shanthakumaran Sreesanth. Besides Indian players, foreign players like Chaminda Vaas, Henry Olonga, Heath Streak, Mohammad Asif and Australian fast bowlers Glenn McGrath, Mitchell Johnson and Brett Lee have also trained at the Foundation. Sachin Tendulkar in his school days trained in the MRF Pace Foundation to become a fast bowler.

 

Glenn McGrath was appointed director of the Foundation on 2 September 2012, replacing Dennis Lillee, who has held the post since its inception in 1987.

 

Prasidh Krishna becomes the latest name, who joined the Indian Cricket Team for the Asia Cup. He's the 21st fast bowler from MRF pace Foundation."

Edited March 24, 2023 by zen

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