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2 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Khopadi todo bhai...aur kya.

Fast bowler ko fast bowler jaise behave karna chahiye...maar to pad hi rahi hai..kyu na thoda batter ko bhi hit Kiya Jaye.

Problem is there will be an edge and that will fly over the wicket keeper for a six. HUGE probability of that happening. Totally different in test cricket or a decently sized ground.

But I agree, that’s still the best attitude. Charge at the batter, make him realize that there’s a match up now. Siraj does that really well.

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1 minute ago, MK55 said:

Problem is there will be an edge and that will fly over the wicket keeper for a six. HUGE probability of that happening. Totally different in test cricket or a decently sized ground.

But I agree, that’s still the best attitude. Charge at the batter, make him realize that there’s a match up now. Siraj does that really well.

Yeah, I know that will happen. Infact T20 is a format where bowlers go for runs. But you can't just take everything without even responding back.

 

Sometimes one hit on the body, makes a batter extra cautious. His reflexes take him because he is scared of getting hit again. Umran did that to SKY in 2021 IPL and then immediately SKY threw his wicket. 

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7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

There is hardly any time for practice during IPL. They are either traveling from one venue to another regularly or playing games.

 

What about pre-IPL camps ? And what about even earlier ? 

 

If I were a fast bowling playing T20s then the ONE delivery I would try to master is quick yorkers at the base of the off stump.

 

 

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Just now, singhvivek141 said:

Yeah, I know that will happen. Infact T20 is a format where bowlers go for runs. But you can't just take everything without even responding back.

 

Sometimes one hit on the body, makes a batter extra cautious. His reflexes take him because he is scared of getting hit again. Umran did that to SKY in 2021 IPL and then immediately SKY threw his wicket. 


Totally agree. Getting rid of that fear is the first and probably the most important thing. 
That changes everything. Transfer that fear and anxiety to the batsmen. Umran needs to take a class from Siraj. Attitude is Half the battle. You have the ball in your hand and should have the belief that u can get rid of the batter.

The pitches don’t support that but what else can you do. Either that or bowl Yorkers like Bumrah or Pathirana.

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5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

What about pre-IPL camps ? And what about even earlier ? 

 

If I were a fast bowling playing T20s then the ONE delivery I would try to master is quick yorkers at the base of the off stump.

 

 

Yes they do have pre-ipl camp. 

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5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

What about pre-IPL camps ? And what about even earlier ? 

 

If I were a fast bowling playing T20s then the ONE delivery I would try to master is quick yorkers at the base of the off stump.

 

 

That is why want these guys should be allowed to play in atleast 2/3 overseas T20 leagues,these Indian grounds are not proper metric to make a verdict

The ecosystem there is entirely different from here,that matters a lot

 

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4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Kartik should have stayed with his changed action and just work on his runup strides. 

 

Tyagi has lost a bit of bounce after going back to his original action. This means he is hitting the sweet spot of the bat more often. 

 

Was hitting the splice of the bat with his changed action during his RR days.

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2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Kartik should have stayed with his changed action and just work on his runup strides. 

True but that's fine, these high fulltoss often happens when a bowlers body is either not used to the action or fatigue takes over and release happens lot earlier than what one expects to.

 

I think Tyagi was bowling with his old action only in SMAT, he has changed it recently hence don't look very much in control. 

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Tyagi looked off both with line and length. Umran can’t get his length right. Doesn’t really bowl too much wide stuff.  Problems with both of them as u err either in line/length, doesn’t matter, easier to dispatch.


Tyagi has got all the ingredients. Just needs to take a breather and put some good performances outside IPL. I liked his attitude. Even in the field he was dynamic. his overs dint affect him. He’s definitely got it. 


Umran with the action he’s got, his Yorkers will be top class. Just perfect that one thing. And that’s gonna make a huge difference. Funny thing is he does do that in the ODIs. 
He looked scared every time the batter took him on. Such effortless pace is extremely rare. Just practice that one thing. Even with the mindset he’s in, if he can bowl 148/149 clicks at will, just imagine what he can do when he gets that confidence. And get the fields right ffs.

 

T20 is such a cruel format especially in these conditions n ground dimensions. Bats are getting better, batters are practicing range hitting, bowlers have stagnated. You gotta give something to them. 
 

I just hope, IPL ain’t considered a benchmark for ODIs and tests. It’s totally different dynamics. But the clowns that we’ve got, I fully expect Tushar Deshpande in ODI squad. Can’t rule out even BK making a comeback.

 

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Both Tyagi & Umran need to be released by SRH.  And I hope one of them is lucky enough to land Bharat Arun as coach. 

Foreign coaches & captains seems to be not working for them. 

Umran has bowled much better in International matches than we saw in IPl. 

At this point I feel just forget these coaches. 
He already has got the technical bowling action and pace thing sorted out. That’s the most difficult thing.
now put a marker at the base of the stumps and hit that. U do that, and you are going to get better.

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8 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Tyagi looked off both with line and length. Umran can’t get his length right. Doesn’t really bowl too much wide stuff.  Problems with both of them as u err either in line/length, doesn’t matter, easier to dispatch.


Tyagi has got all the ingredients. Just needs to take a breather and put some good performances outside IPL. I liked his attitude. Even in the field he was dynamic. his overs dint affect him. He’s definitely got it. 


Umran with the action he’s got, his Yorkers will be top class. Just perfect that one thing. And that’s gonna make a huge difference. Funny thing is he does do that in the ODIs. 
He looked scared every time the batter took him on. Such effortless pace is extremely rare. Just practice that one thing. Even with the mindset he’s in, if he can bowl 148/149 clicks at will, just imagine what he can do when he gets that confidence. And get the fields right ffs.

 

T20 is such a cruel format especially in these conditions n ground dimensions. Bats are getting better, batters are practicing range hitting, bowlers have stagnated. You gotta give something to them. 
 

I just hope, IPL ain’t considered a benchmark for ODIs and tests. It’s totally different dynamics. But the clowns that we’ve got, I fully expect Tushar Deshpande in ODI squad. Can’t rule out even BK making a comeback.

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed. Bur a first class bowler who is quality should be effective even in IPl as its only 4 overs right?

 

Unfortunately, marketability matters. Despite first class performances, if players can't show skill in IPl games, it's hard to get picked for india. 

 

Forget about odi. Focus on tests and t20 specifically. 

Just try hard in IPl. Get them to notice the skill, pace etc. 

 

A good ipl season along with some solid performances in A tours or ranji is ideal. 

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1 minute ago, Jay said:

Agreed. Bur a first class bowler who is quality should be effective even in IPl as its only 4 overs right?

 

Unfortunately, marketability matters. Despite first class performances, if players can't show skill in IPl games, it's hard to get picked for india. 

 

Forget about odi. Focus on tests and t20 specifically. 

Just try hard in IPl. Get them to notice the skill, pace etc. 

 

A good ipl season along with some solid performances in A tours or ranji is ideal. 

Yes IPL marketability matters a lot. 
But there’s no reason why a good first class or a longer format bowler will be quality in t20s or vice versa. Even Odis is totally different than T20s. Can happen but not necessarily. A good ODI death bowler though is absolutely guaranteed to be a good T20 bowler. That’s the only correlation I see.

 


 

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3 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Yes IPL marketability matters a lot. 
But there’s no reason why a good first class or a longer format bowler will be quality in t20s or vice versa. Even Odis is totally different than T20s. Can happen but not necessarily. A good ODI death bowler though is absolutely guaranteed to be a good T20 bowler. That’s the only correlation I see.

 


 

Unfortunately ipl limelight matters. Makes a huge difference. 

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58 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

True but that's fine, these high fulltoss often happens when a bowlers body is either not used to the action or fatigue takes over and release happens lot earlier than what one expects to.

 

I think Tyagi was bowling with his old action only in SMAT, he has changed it recently hence don't look very much in control. 

Nah. He bowled with same action in SMA and VH trophy. This is not a new load up. This his old gather of u19 days. His upper body during load up got a bit more side on when he worked with Jones at RR.

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2 hours ago, MK55 said:


Totally agree. Getting rid of that fear is the first and probably the most important thing. 
That changes everything. Transfer that fear and anxiety to the batsmen. Umran needs to take a class from Siraj. Attitude is Half the battle. You have the ball in your hand and should have the belief that u can get rid of the batter.

The pitches don’t support that but what else can you do. Either that or bowl Yorkers like Bumrah or Pathirana.

This year has been disappointing fast bowling wise. A big difference from last year was the bull of the games being played in the Mumbai pune area where the grounds have good pace, bounce and carry. 

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