Suhaan Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 4 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Tyagi can stay erratic but I want him to hit the helmets of few batters. No matter how much protection batters had, hitting on the helmet is something which always has an impact on the batter. He should run like a bull and hit either on the ribcage or on helmets. Play less but create fear in mind of batters. If he does well he will definitely play One these tracks and small grounds no one fears pace anymore He has what it takes to be a top pacer,he starts too wide and short to warmup by the time he warms up his figures take a hit He needs to bowl closer to the stumps,coaches don't point that ,wonder why? Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepdynamo Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Due to Impact Sub rule, every team has a luxury to play 2 Indian Quicks. That's 20 fast bowlers but all franchises have been playing safe by playing trundlers and IPL veterans. So disappointing to see the same bowlers being preferred year after year. ( except Harshit Rana) CSK- Chahar, Deshpande RCB- Siraj, Yash Dayal PKBS- Arshdeep, Harshal DC- Khaleel, Ishant SRH- Bhuvi, Natrajan KKR- Harshit LSG- Mohsin, Yash Thakur RR- Avesh, Sandeep MI- Bumrah, Pandya GT- Mohit, Umesh rollingstoned, MK55 and tweaker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 6 minutes ago, deepdynamo said: Due to Impact Sub rule, every team has a luxury to play 2 Indian Quicks. That's 20 fast bowlers but all franchises have been playing safe by playing trundlers and IPL veterans. So disappointing to see the same bowlers being preferred year after year. ( except Harshit Rana) CSK- Chahar, Deshpande RCB- Siraj, Yash Dayal PKBS- Arshdeep, Harshal DC- Khaleel, Ishant SRH- Bhuvi, Natrajan KKR- Harshit LSG- Mohsin, Yash Thakur RR- Avesh, Sandeep MI- Bumrah, Pandya GT- Mohit, Umesh Yep, with 2 bouncers its added incentive to play guys like Umran,Tyagi,Sen etc Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapandrun Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 pathirana -- bowling in 145+ kmph , some touching 150s express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vishalvirsingh Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 23 hours ago, Lord said: Mukesh Chaudhary is good too. if he is good he would be playing in some ipl team ...atleast a few matches... he may have declined or is not good enough. if he cant play for an ipl team - he does not deserve to be among first 8 pacers for INDIA....left arm pace is an advantage- no team can ignore a left arm pacer, if he is good. Edited March 26 by vishalvirsingh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Pathirana was rapid in that over... Fastest ball of the tourney so far I think.. 150.6kph tweaker and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vishalvirsingh Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 12 minutes ago, tapandrun said: pathirana -- bowling in 145+ kmph , some touching 150s he is a lankan bowler.....he is good but not an indian pacer so i am not too excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 7 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said: if he is good he would be playing in some ipl team ...atleast a few matches... he may have declined or is not good enough. if he cant play for an ipl team - he does not deserve to be among first 8 pacers for INDIA....left arm pace is an advantage- no team can ignore a left arm pacer, if he is good. CSK can. They have Fizz, the cutter bowler. Unless he is not thumped to oblivion, Mukesh won't play. So many years and batters are still unable to smash this Fizz...I have immense respect for Manish Pandey as he was the only Indian batsman in history who has never struggled against Mustafizur and always took him for runs..even during 2015 when he had the mental edge over Indian batters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapandrun Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said: if he is good he would be playing in some ipl team ...atleast a few matches... he may have declined or is not good enough. if he cant play for an ipl team - he does not deserve to be among first 8 pacers for INDIA....left arm pace is an advantage- no team can ignore a left arm pacer, if he is good. Not Sure of his injury , Played fr CSK when he was fit, was skidish and able to bring balls back into rhb. There were few balls near to 143 and 1/2 touching 145 kmph. lacked a good bouncer. vishalvirsingh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKane Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 All the young pace bowlers from esp U19 winning teams are where? Nagarkoti - gone Hangargekar - gone Mavi - gone The usual suspects are all there led by..... yesss Bhuvaneshwar Kumar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapandrun Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 3 hours ago, AKane said: All the young pace bowlers from esp U19 winning teams are where? Nagarkoti - gone Hangargekar - gone Mavi - gone The usual suspects are all there led by..... yesss Bhuvaneshwar Kumar. Nagarkoti with his height he never had an Intnl career, should have added batting to it. Hangargekar he is around need to fix his runup and action Mavi he is bowling sub 130s in t20s in his mid 20s why are Ind bowlers losing their pace when they should be at their prime ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapandrun Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 10 hours ago, deepdynamo said: Due to Impact Sub rule, every team has a luxury to play 2 Indian Quicks. That's 20 fast bowlers but all franchises have been playing safe by playing trundlers and IPL veterans. So disappointing to see the same bowlers being preferred year after year. ( except Harshit Rana) CSK- Chahar, Deshpande RCB- Siraj, Yash Dayal PKBS- Arshdeep, Harshal DC- Khaleel, Ishant SRH- Bhuvi, Natrajan KKR- Harshit LSG- Mohsin, Yash Thakur RR- Avesh, Sandeep MI- Bumrah, Pandya GT- Mohit, Umesh Nearly 14 of them are Ind intnls would a TM and coaching staff not include them in their playing 11, its a v.hard decision to take Franchise has put lot of money for them plus being intnl player they draw more fan base and sponsors. Looks like Sen, Umran, Mayank, Tiyagi etc wont be getting a chance till some of these get injured or start having bad games. Sandeep and Mohit have/had good games so far, most team would like to have such bowler who are able to plug the run flow. and most other teams have intnl 140+ kmph bowlers, thought this impact sub will give a chance to newer pacers but its helping the retiring players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Need4Speed Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Just name this International and Trundler league..if they are not giving chances to good Indian potential players.. mazaak bna rakha hai bc express bowling and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Hope Umran plays today in place of Jansen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) Saddest part is, our coaches and captains are ready to play foreign fast bowlers who are under 25 years of age. MI has even onboarded Mphaka who just playing U19 WC. But except Harshit, I don't find any young Indian bowler playing for any IPL team. Hangargerakr, Tyagi, Sushant, Mayank all are laying eggs on the bench. And then our coach will say, where are the fast bowlers. Edited March 27 by singhvivek141 Need4Speed, tapandrun, express bowling and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 (edited) 5 hours ago, AKane said: All the young pace bowlers from esp U19 winning teams are where? Nagarkoti - gone Hangargekar - gone Mavi - gone The usual suspects are all there led by..... yesss Bhuvaneshwar Kumar. For a very long time the Indian cricket fraternity tried to sell the fact that India does not have any fast bowlers. Heard of Salgaokar. TA Sekhar and Kulkarni played only briefly. Same case with Wassan. All were swept under the rug rather quickly. They wanted to protect their " precious batsmen " in the nets as well as remove any competition regarding the popularity of these batters. Indian cricket had to be about batting and only batting. Even wrist spinners who could turn the ball were generally discouraged. No exciting to watch type of bowler must come through. Srinath could not be suppressed although he had to warm the bech for a long time as oldies played. After the IPL started and U19 tournaments gained more coverage, we saw that India had so many genuine quicks. But most of the time they don't get to play for their states even. But the lie that was propagated, " India does not have genuine quicks " was caught badly. We are a champion of not developing and not supporting genuine quicks. If one or two such bowlers don't improve then it could be their own fault. When almost every young quick is not developing then it has to be a systemic issue. Chronologically, from the early 2010s, we have seen these pacers bowling 145 k+. Aaron Umesh .. debut 2011 and played for long Bumrah .. debut 2016 and playing for long Saini Prasidh ( sometimes ) Nagarkoti Mavi Tyagi Umran Sen Harshit Mayank Most countries would have salivated if they had so many genuine quicks and would have develped atleast 5 from this long list. Basically, the Indian cricket fraternity don't want these bowlers to play for India. Edited March 27 by express bowling MK55, AKane, Mosher and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediumPacer Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 16 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: We don't need bowlers at all...let's fill the team will 11 hard hitter and they all will roll their arm for an over or two. It might sound like a joke but the way Indian Cricket is heading, BCCI may implement the same in domestic tournaments. I don't think batsmen will like that.11 batsmen in t20s will put too much pressure on each batsmen ,specially top order ones ,to score quickly. If there are fewer batsmen then they can take their time to bat through. Edited March 27 by MediumPacer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK55 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, express bowling said: For a very long time the Indian cricket fraternity tried to sell the fact that India does not have any fast bowlers. Heard of Salgaokar. TA Sekhar and Kulkarni played only briefly. Same case with Wassan. All were swept under the rug rather quickly. They wanted to protect their " precious batsmen " in the nets as well as remove any competition regarding the popularity of these batters. Indian cricket had to be about batting and only batting. Even wrist spinners who could turn the ball were generally discouraged. No exciting to watch type of bowler must come through. Srinath could not be suppressed although he had to warm the bech for a long time as oldies played. After the IPL started and U19 tournaments gained more coverage, we saw that India had so many genuine quicks. But most of the time they don't get to play for their states even. But the lie that was propagated, " India does not have genuine quicks " was caught badly. We are a champion of not developing and not supporting genuine quicks. If one or two such bowlers don't improve then it could be their own fault. When almost every young quick is not developing then it has to be a systemic issue. Chronologically, from the early 2010s, we have seen these pacers bowling 145 k+. Aaron Umesh .. debut 2011 and played for long Bumrah .. debut 2016 and playing for long Saini Prasidh ( sometimes ) Nagarkoti Mavi Tyagi Umran Sen Harshit Mayank Most countries would have salivated if they had so many genuine quicks and would have develped atleast 5 from this long list. Basically, the Indian cricket fraternity don't want these bowlers to play for India. Honestly it has got way worse last few years. Even 3-4 years back any genuine quick with potential was always at least given some game time in the ipl. It’s sickening to watch lately. The usual suspects like the Chahar, Kumars, Sharma’s etc are treated as if these geniuses are some major stakeholders for their respective sides. Also, I can’t think of a nation that’s so averse to quick bowling than India. Edited March 27 by MK55 Mosher and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK55 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: Saddest part is, our coaches and captains are ready to play foreign fast bowlers who are under 25 years of age. MI has even onboarded Mphaka who just playing U19 WC. But except Harshit, I don't find any young Indian bowler playing for any IPL team. Hangargerakr, Tyagi, Sushant, Mayank all are laying eggs on the bench. And then our coach will say, where are the fast bowlers. 100 percent. It’s mind boggling. It’s as if these guys have got some pre conceived bias. And that has crept in even more in recent times. I mean with the way these guys are treated in the internationals or domestics, why would even a foreign coach bother to give them a chance and risk by going against the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK55 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Most of these ipl teams are worth watching only if we get to see some exciting new talent. No one f cares that much if a team qualifies or goes on to win the tournament. And when the finals and knock outs really matter (at the international level) we’ve all seen how these clowns crumble under the pressure. And besides that, a majority of these teams have been serial under performers. So what are these teams even trying to accomplish. express bowling and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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