IPL ... Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners ....

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, Suhaan said:

@express bowling

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@tapandrun

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here is a small interview just before the game,he talks about giving time to his body,quite concerned about his injury

Interviewer clearly asks him if he would like to increase his pace to which he said I would like to give my body more time not a single time he said anything about his plans to increase pace,i personally not impressed with his response, subjective opinion though

What you guys think of him from this small interview?

https://www.hotstar.com/in/sports/cricket/pressure-games-are-necessary-mayank/1271413960/watch

 

 

Can't make much of this either negatively or positively. 

 

I would watch what he does while bowling.

 

And today I am worried as he is having difficulty bowling properly. Not just pace but his accuracy and movement are gone too. 

 

He is just hurling the ball at brisk medium pace .... which means he is not bowling fit yet. Has to bowl a lot to get back to even 90%.

[Lord]

They are not showing speeds. Visually he looked 140+

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Can't make much of this either negatively or positively. 

 

I would watch what he does while bowling.

 

And today I am worried as he is having difficulty bowling properly. Not just pace but his accuracy and movement are gone too. 

 

He is just hurling the ball at brisk medium pace .... which means he is not bowling fit yet. Has to bowl a lot to get back to even 90%.

 

Either he is not fully fit or he has lost the drive to bowl fast its simple,

the speeds he is bowling at is not the speed of a bowler who is just coming out of rehab.He is bowling like as if he is coming back from surgery.

He was just rehabbing for 1 yr now, wont count those 10-12 over vs bd much.

 

Even with bad rhythm bowler loses 5-7 kmph not around 15 kmph, and he was getting tonked fr 6s here not once he tried to slip a faster one not even 145 kmph. It tell one of two things either he is not fully fit or lost the drive and pace in last 1 yr.'

 

He is clearly on Munaf patel's path 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 4 by tapandrun

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

They are not showing speeds. Visually he looked 140+

 

They showed bowling speeds. Mayank bowled between 133 and 138 kph and the slower one around 113-115 kph. Absolute rubbish. They showed the speed right after Inglis and others hammered his short pitched filth into the stands.

[Suhaan]

भारत के सबसे तेज गेंदबाज को क्या हो गया, मयंक यादव का हाल भी उमरान मलिक जैसा ना हो जाए!

 

https://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/iplt20/news/against-mayank-yadav-punjab-kings-batsmen-hit-5-sixes-in-first-2-over-umran-malik/articleshow/120874968.cms

[rkt.india]

If mayank has to bowl like this, it's better he sits out. Now we know why he wasn't played immediately after he joined the team.

[Suhaan]

Almost everywhere in podcasts,match reviews,analysis they are mentioning saying there is huge huge huge drop in his pace which is concerning for us

They say this is not something not unusual

Mayank ,needs to work hard and get back his pace or think about it

Without it he will not go places,he should work with best experts to get back his usp

He needs to bowl a lot with the aim to increase his pace with each game and push himself

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

Almost everywhere in podcasts,match reviews,analysis they are mentioning saying there is huge huge huge drop in his pace which is concerning for us

They say this is noat something not unusual

Mayank ,needs to work hard and get back his pace or think about it

Without it he will not go places,he should work with best experts to get back his usp

He needs to bowl a lot with the aim to increase his pace with each game and push himself

 

Mayank cannot bowl fast because he has a weak core.
What was his injury rememeber ? its either tear of abdomen ( meaning hernia issue - once it starts, its game over for abdominal core strength, because muscle fibre once split like a curtain never heals fully ( as opposed to chopped through the grain).

or was it hip flexor ? If its hip flexor, its game over - hip flexor injuries are career-ending in most high intensity sports, because hip flexor is your pivot muscle that holds your pelvis stationary as rest of the muscles jerk around and force transfer.

When you get hip flexor tear, you end up like Andy Murray - go from world #1 to instantly world #50 after years of hard work.

Even if its not hip flexor but core tear, its STILL a huge deal, because it means he has a very weak core - you cannot channel 150kph regularly through the core strength of a 15 year old girl- thats how you blow up your stomach muscles. remember, most of your pace is generated through your ass and legs - NOT your upper body - you transfer this force through your core to your fingertips.

So babu, you are trying to pass 5000 volt current through a coat-hangar. what the hell do you think will happen ?

 

 

Edited May 5 by Muloghonto

[rkt.india]

30 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

Mayank cannot bowl fast because he has a weak core.
What was his injury rememeber ? its either tear of abdomen ( meaning hernia issue - once it starts, its game over for abdominal core strength, because muscle fibre once split like a curtain never heals fully ( as opposed to chopped through the grain).

or was it hip flexor ? If its hip flexor, its game over - hip flexor injuries are career-ending in most high intensity sports, because hip flexor is your pivot muscle that holds your pelvis stationary as rest of the muscles jerk around and force transfer.

When you get hip flexor tear, you end up like Andy Murray - go from world #1 to instantly world #50 after years of hard work.

Even if its not hip flexor but core tear, its STILL a huge deal, because it means he has a very weak core - you cannot channel 150kph regularly through the core strength of a 15 year old girl- thats how you blow up your stomach muscles. remember, most of your pace is generated through your ass and legs - NOT your upper body - you transfer this force through your core to your fingertips.

So babu, you are trying to pass 5000 volt current through a coat-hangar. what the hell do you think will happen ?

 

 

He had back injury. He bowled 145-150 after abdominal injury against BD.  This injury was back stress reaction which is normal for genuine express bowlers. But yes, he does need to get stronger.  It's a bit of a travesty, someone like Hangargekar who is so strong and works hard on his strength and conditioning, tries to bowl fast but struggles to cross 140k. Mayank who looks out of shape and rhythm. Coming back from 6 months of injury break still hits 141-142.  He just has so much potential and needs the right guidance. 

Edited May 5 by rkt.india

[Muloghonto]

Just now, rkt.india said:

He had back injury. He bowled 145-150 after abdominal injury against BD.  This injury was back stress reaction which is normal for genuine express bowlers.

unless he has disc rupture or stress fracture of the back or abdominal hernia/hip flexor tear, it cannot explain a 15-18kph drop in pace. he doesnt look extra skinny from before. He isnt running like Shami either. So it has to be force transfer issue to do with his core or back.

I suspect its the core, even if he is hiding it, like he did last IPL, because its a huge shame for a fast bowler to have a weak girly core and mayank has always looked like he'd die from a serious gut-punch.

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, Muloghonto said:

unless he has disc rupture or stress fracture of the back or abdominal hernia/hip flexor tear, it cannot explain a 15-18kph drop in pace. he doesnt look extra skinny from before. He isnt running like Shami either. So it has to be force transfer issue to do with his core or back.

I suspect its the core, even if he is hiding it, like he did last IPL, because its a huge shame for a fast bowler to have a weak girly core and mayank has always looked like he'd die from a serious gut-punch.

His strength was moving from backfoot to front foot and transferring momentum very quickly which he is lacking currently.  He needs to do a lot of running to get that swiftness back.

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

His strength was moving from backfoot to front foot and transferring momentum very quickly which he is lacking currently.  He needs to do a lot of running to get that swiftness back.

if he is lacking that, then it DEFINITELY is a hip flexor or core strength issue. If you cannot do quick snap, 100% of the time its your hips or core if its not the back. and for back, it has to be something major - disc rupture or stress fracture.

 

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

His strength was moving from backfoot to front foot and transferring momentum very quickly which he is lacking currently.  He needs to do a lot of running to get that swiftness back.

He had a mixed action,he used have flexion before but that momentum transfer enabled him reach high pace

But now the tweak in action hasn't clicked yet

His release point also seems to have changed

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, Suhaan said:

He had a mixed action,he used have flexion before but that momentum transfer enabled him reach high pace

But now the tweak in action hasn't clicked yet

His release point also seems to have changed

That action change had already happened before BD matches where he still bowled 145-150.

[Ultimate_Game]

From 155 last IPL to 145 against B'desh to 135 now, Mayank has reached the trundler status in less than a year and that too without any other skills. He needs to go back to domestic cricket and sort his issues out coz there're a bunch of bowlers better than him right now.

[Suhaan]

Unadkat bowling quicker than Mayank Bewafa

[tapandrun]

3 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

From 155 last IPL to 145 against B'desh to 135 now, Mayank has reached the trundler status in less than a year and that too without any other skills. He needs to go back to domestic cricket and sort his issues out coz there're a bunch of bowlers better than him right now.

As suggested above by some posters, he is in some serious issues not sure why it is as it was never reported but his own attitude is not that good.

 

bowlers do nt lose 15-18 kmph on avg due to what ever being reported about his injuries, bowler can only lose such pace even they are coming back from surgery and have not bowled for some time.

 

Here mayank was under rehab, he might be bowling 10 over atleast a day in nets.

 

Going back to domestic wont serve the purpose if he wants to get back, unless he has something serious going on with his body. If he wants go get back to previous pace is to try increase the pace increments --  135-138 kmph -->139-142--> 143-146--> then 146+kmph. That can be done only in nets with proper plans and playing club matches here and there were he can opt out if he finds discomfort.

 

Playing domestic games is not the way. Playing ipl is not the way. And yes if he want to be similar to mukesh, avesh , etc run of the mill 135 kmph (white-ball) bowler he can go back to domestics.

 

Last 2 matches we have seem lsg's plan to get him to top speed is to bowl 1 ball 136 kmh and next ball 125 kmph , bowlers do not get back to previous speeds if they are bowling slower ball every next 2 balls.

  

 

Not sure how nca keeps clearing him to play intnl /ipl cricket.

Edited May 5 by tapandrun

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

From 155 last IPL to 145 against B'desh to 135 now, Mayank has reached the trundler status in less than a year and that too without any other skills. He needs to go back to domestic cricket and sort his issues out coz there're a bunch of bowlers better than him right now.

Bowled 150 against BD

[tapandrun]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Bowled 150 against BD

It was hardly 1-2 balls , he touched 150 kmph

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

 

Last 2 matches we have seem lsg's plan to get him to top speed is to bowl 1 ball 136 kmh and next ball 125 kmph , bowlers do not get back to previous speeds if they are bowling slower ball every next 2 balls.

  

 

Not sure how nca keeps giving clearing him to play intnl /ipl cricket.

 

That's a hare-brained plan. Never heard of such a plan ever. The reason I want him to go back to domestic cricket is so that he can work on his issues away from lime-light. IPL is not meant for that. He and his coaching & rehab team needs to work together away from IPL and intl cricket.

 

I can understand a bowler getting into his rhythm and bowling 5-8 kph lower than his usual pace, which would be 142-148 kph in Mayank's pace as he was bowling in 151-156 range last year. But dropping the pace by a whopping 20kph is a huge red flag. You don't lose that much pace simply because you're trying to get into your rhythm.

 

BCCI better get its act together and do something soon else Mayank will go the same way as Umran. And it's time to take a hard look at NCA to see if it's meeting its purpose. What's the point of NCA if they can't rehabilitate players and can't help them with their issues.