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13 hours ago, express bowling said:

Shami 2nd over

 

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Shami was out of the world yesterday, bowled between 135 to 143K but he was extremmely accurate with his bowling. got stokes and would have got atleast two or three more wickets but catches were dropped. he was menacing. I could easily judge why he is preferred to bhuvi and other indian bowlers.

 

He belongs to the CLASS A+ which is only for Boom and Shammi.

 

 

other pacers like bhuvi , ishant come into class A.

Umesh also comes into class A for Tests and i feel siraj is also a class A test bowler.

Nattu is a good T 20 Bowler.

 

In Mumbai, there is a trend that all batsman should hit big shots so 20 oer matches are normally played on Patta flat merciless wickets. these wickets are ideal for shrewd bowlers like Nattu, and the sardar who bowled yesterday. A merdict bowling 145K could be hit more than a trundler bowling 120K.

 

But one has to understand that this is not the truth. All over the world this 145k bowler and this smart 120K bowler are two different things all together. it is bcos of the patta wicket that the fast bowler is snicked for 4 and 6"S else on a lil bit of greenish track , the 145K bowler is above and beyond even good batsman.

but this trundler can be faced by even the no 11 batsman.

 

This is what i dislike about Mumbai Patta wickets. I have played in Cross Maidan's and Azad Maidan and Police lines maidan , all these are with in 2 kms from wankhade.

bcos of this only many mumbai coaches encourage good line n length bowlers and discourage genuine fast talents.

 

I will tell you a small true story. i went to watch my son's match( my son was 13 ) recently . my son bowled the first over. I was sitting next to the coach outside of the ground chatting with him.

my son bowled well but i felt he was a bit slow and was not trying to push himself to bowl as fast as he can. so when he came near me , i told him to bowl fast yorkers. he tried and he got hit. coach did not like that. 

then captain gave the ball to another boy who bowled the 6th over. i was delighted to see that this boy was very fast for a 13 yr old but he was wayward and he got few snicks and was hit for 4's.

coach shouted at the captain and asked him to not give the ball back to the same bowler. but i was super impressed by this boy. so i started chatting with the coach and kinda convinced him to get another opportunity to ball after 14 overs. 

against the will of the coach , this guy got an opportunity to bowl. he bowled fast n quick. he got a bowled too, But it was a NO BALL as he went a bit ahead. I was again impressed but he gave away 4 wides and 2 no balls and got hit for a couple of 4"S too. finally the over ended and the coach shouted at me for pushing him. 

the fast bowler boy was down and disappointed, even the captain shouted at him. after the match i went and patted his back and he was shocked and surprised that his bowling and talent was being appreciated by me.

i got into a rift with the coach and i pulled my son out of his coaching academy. my son was surprised with my behavior. my son is now 16 and he is focussed on studies , he still bowls well but not genuinely fast where as i was kinda fast at 16 as i tried my best. he also tries his best but he focusses a lot on line n length.

 

long story short- all mumbai bowlers will be shrewd and clever but PACY , i doubt that. 

why because Coaches focus on Line n length. Folks like me are running senior Corporate Positions and are not coaching.

All budding fast bowlers at 13 are criticised and even dumped and not selected in the TEAM 11. I hate this attitude. 

My son was criticised when ever he erred in his line n length. he was never criticised for bowling slow. Thats the big issue in Mumbai cricket.

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11 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Best seamers of the match - bowlers with variations and skills - Chetan Sakaria and Arshdeep. Excellent bowling in such a high scoring game.

 

both are not International material. 

they did well yesterday but definitely are not international material. they will fail big time in ODI's and Tests. 

T20 is a hit or miss game..DADDEBAJJI....they may succeed here but that does not make them good bowlers.

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25 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

both are not International material. 

they did well yesterday but definitely are not international material. they will fail big time in ODI's and Tests. 

T20 is a hit or miss game..DADDEBAJJI....they may succeed here but thhey may succeed here but that does not make them good bowlers.

Doesn't matter. They were given a job by their franchise and did that with aplomb.

 

Admiration for pacers should not mean condescending comments for young seamers showing lots of skills and variations. They may or may not succeed in the future but why should they not be praised for what they did yesterday.

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6 hours ago, express bowling said:

Prasidh has a really good yorker  ... but is often reluctant to use it.

 

I hope he uses the yorker freely today, especially in the death overs.

Prasidh reminds me of Umesh Yadav, no objectivity in his bowling, bowls random stuff unnecessarily.

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10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Prasidh reminds me of Umesh Yadav, no objectivity in his bowling, bowls random stuff unnecessarily.


Umesh doesn’t bowl random stuff. His strength is bowling fast and full and his weapon which is outswinger with an odd surprise short ball. In LoI’s he gets predictable and starts bowling too many variations or short pitch balls. There is thinking behind them but he is not good enough with those skills to execute them say like a Bhuvi.

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34 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Prasidh reminds me of Umesh Yadav, no objectivity in his bowling, bowls random stuff unnecessarily.

 

 

Prasidh has been more objective in this IPL so far, compared to his debut ODI series.

 

In his opening spells he has tried to bowl good length off stump. Today, in his last over, he tried 2 yorkers.

 

But my issues with him are ...

 

1. He does not use the yorker often enough when he is getting hit. Although he has a really good yorker.

 

2.  A delivery is working for him but he suddenly bowls a different ball just for variations's sake and gets hit.

 

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11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Prasidh has been more objective in this IPL so far, compared to his debut ODI series.

 

In his opening spells he has tried to bowl good length off stump. Today, in his last over, he tried 2 yorkers.

 

But my issues with him are ...

 

1. He does not use the yorker often enough when he is getting hit. Although he has a really good yorker.

 

2.  A delivery is working for him but he suddenly bowls a different ball just for variations's sake and gets hit.

 

Your second point is what I call random stuff, lack of objectivity. The difference between him and Cummins. Cummins doesn't deviate from his area until he gets hit from that area. He keeps hitting that back of length area around off stump hard.

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43 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:


Umesh doesn’t bowl random stuff. His strength is bowling fast and full and his weapon which is outswinger with an odd surprise short ball. In LoI’s he gets predictable and starts bowling too many variations or short pitch balls. There is thinking behind them but he is not good enough with those skills to execute them say like a Bhuvi.

Not sticking to one area or to your strength is what I call random stuff. Prasidh's strength obviously is hitting the hard length around off stump at pace but he keeps bowling different stuff every ball. Until batsman is hitting you from that area, you need to stick to it. 

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16 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Your second point is what I call random stuff, lack of objectivity. The difference between him and Cummins. Cummins doesn't deviate from his area until he gets hit from that area. He keeps hitting that back of length area around off stump hard.

 

 

I think this is where the bowling coach comes in. If he is not guiding young bowlers when they are making mistakes then what is his role ??

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12 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Prasidh reminds me of Umesh Yadav, no objectivity in his bowling, bowls random stuff unnecessarily.

Although I get your point, and agree with you in parts, I feel Prasidh is not like Umesh in any which way. Prasidh is almost an exact replica of Javagal Srinath from his younger days. 

 

Umesh, obviously used pace as his surprise weapon. He has a tendency to stray away from line. 

Prasidh has not been out and out express like Umesh. 

Prasidh lacks length, more than line. 

Prasidh can generate pronounced bounce like Srinath. If only he perfects his length , it will be menacing. 

Prasidh has variations like Srinath, but just like him he seems to lose confidence to use them effectively. 

 

I would say, if Prasidh is encouraged, these mistakes he is making today will be a learning curve for him. He can truly become a leading fast bowler of the world.

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On 4/13/2021 at 12:10 AM, ShoonyaSifar said:

Best seamers of the match - bowlers with variations and skills - Chetan Sakaria and Arshdeep. Excellent bowling in such a high scoring game.

 

Arshdeep has showed nerves and has managed to execute the skills well. Chetan Sakaria was good in his debut match. Like you rightly pointed in a high scoring game where 11 too was the standard, he allowed to score at only 7.8 rpo. 

 

Even Arshdeep had eco of 8.8 which was lower than other bowlers and more importantly while givibg less runs he too managed to pick 3 wickets like Sakaria.

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On 4/13/2021 at 11:36 AM, vishalvirsingh said:

both are not International material. 

they did well yesterday but definitely are not international material. they will fail big time in ODI's and Tests. 

T20 is a hit or miss game..DADDEBAJJI....they may succeed here but that does not make them good bowlers.

Bhai, Arshdeep surely has a higher ceiling than Natarajan. We seem to be making too many judgements based on the numbers on the speedometer. If Natarajan can perform so well in Australia, so can Arshdeep. Arshdeep has a future. He can be a 2nd string bowler, but still has some potentials. Have not watched the other bowler to comment.

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4 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Bhai, Arshdeep surely has a higher ceiling than Natarajan. We seem to be making too many judgements based on the numbers on the speedometer. If Natarajan can perform so well in Australia, so can Arshdeep. Arshdeep has a future. He can be a 2nd string bowler, but still has some potentials. Have not watched the other bowler to comment.

Arshdeep can bowl with the new ball which Nattu can't.  Nattu is a typical T20 specialist I think..  And he should remain so. 

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3 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Bhai, Arshdeep surely has a higher ceiling than Natarajan. We seem to be making too many judgements based on the numbers on the speedometer. If Natarajan can perform so well in Australia, so can Arshdeep. Arshdeep has a future. He can be a 2nd string bowler, but still has some potentials. Have not watched the other bowler to comment.

Arshdeep needs a bit of work on his bowling action. Launchpad cricket academy in Chandigarh can help him with that. Many Chandigarh ranji players are doing well there. 

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