zen Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Just now, Global.Baba said: I consider Dekock an elite player. Boult the bowler- Elite Rohit the batsman/opener and captain- Elite Dekock the batsman/opener and keeper- Elite Yes the “modern day” players play around them and unleash their beastly potentials under their guidance. I mean Cmon even Saurabh Tiwary looks at least a 100 bucks in This is the kind of eliteness I like to see even if it is a T20 format. Rohit is not elite ... big question mark as a test player (outside of Ind type conditions) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 Just now, zen said: Rohit is not elite ... big question mark as a test player (outside of Ind type conditions) I consider Rohit elite. 3 200’s in one format and plenty of world records are elite category. However my argument was an elite player is an elite player, someone who is a “modern day player” will always be looked at some purists like me as ***cough*** hhhhackkk. T20 or IPL for the matter of fact doesn’t have to be a different sport, it can maintain the basic aesthetics for me with a faster speed. That’s the eliteness I look forward too. The purists like me can still enjoy the eliteness of genuine cricketers like I mentioned in my OP without having to tell my self,these are “modern day” techniques and approach and mindset or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Just now, Global.Baba said: I consider Rohit elite. 3 200’s in one format and plenty of world records are elite category. However my argument was an elite player is an elite player, someone who is a “modern day player” will always be looked at some purists like me as ***cough*** hhhhackkk. T20 or IPL for the matter of fact doesn’t have to be a different sport, it can maintain the basic aesthetics for me with a faster speed. That’s the eliteness I look forward too. The purists like me can still enjoy the eliteness of genuine cricketers like I mentioned in my OP without having to tell my self,these are “modern day” techniques and approach and mindset or whatever. Not at all an elite ... more like an Yuvi type of player cashing out We do not need him so you can keep him but please stop giving elite tags to the guy who has not even played 50 tests in his career which began in 2007 Also he was missing for most games for ... guys like Kishan, SKY, SDP, Pollard, etc. took up the responsibilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 @Ankit_sharma03 was telling me he will rip my X1 to pieces Kya hua bhai, struggling to see if Dube will open the bowling or debating between Vijay Shankar and Rana for no.4 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Global.Baba said: Criteria: 3 format players and not T20 specialists Rohit Kohli Williamson Smith Stokes MSD (WK) Cummins Ashwin Bumrah Bhuvi Shami Reserves: Holder,Jadeja,Rahane,Rahul,Boult,Dhawan,Warner,Mayank Picked 4 overseas players. How many T20 specialist X1 can beat this team? Not in a one off scenario but consistently ? Also purposely excluding other elite players Morgan,Gayle,Bairstow,Archer,Butler and ABD who might be considered T20 specialists Question for @Ankit_sharma03 @zen Now here is a lesson for u in how to make a side - two ways Make it like a fan, like how every owner use to do at start taking big names n getting owned by RR in season 1 Use Money ball Strategy n matchups But 1st lets study ur sides weakness Opening- both slow starters so things remain in control of opposition as RR never goes out of hand, few wkts n ur on backfoot coz RR was not in ur favour Middle over- Williamson n smith - well again both cant take the game away so RR remains in tact Dhoni - has huge issues against spinners who take ball away and he also doesnt like certain kind of pacers Stokes- The guy has a s/r of 126 (laughable) at no.6 in international and 126 at 5 in IPL , in IPL also he did well only when he was made to bat up in top 4 which u cant with ur side since williamson n smith will Basically u have so many anchors wasting so much time and putting so much pressure on stokes n dhoni that they have to slog blindly which is neither forte since both like to take time. Cummins- not a great t20 bowler Shami- bowls a lot of length balls U didnt think even one once before picking one leftie that ill surely go for rashid khan , the one u picked has struggled also against rashid khan Strength- if anyone has a day they will runaway with the game which basically wud only be Rohit sharma . So plan for his failures and on his good days no one can stop him anyways But if Russelll, warner, pandya, pant have their day ull face same problem Rest mostly are batting in wrong positions to have that kind of effect Small target team- yes but then again small totals sometimes are being screwed by tail also Now a side to beat this Warner KL rahul (he doesnt have a place in test side and his impact his max in t20 so technically he also belongs to my list) SKY Pant Andre Russell Hardik Pandya DK Rashid Khan Jofra Archer Sandeep Sharma (my papplu card) Varun. C Deepak chahar Logical reasoning behind every player Warner + KL can bat in any gear SKY - u dnt know him yet...perfect man also for small totals SKy has made 70 runs against ashwin in 53 balls, Ashwin is yet to dismiss him Best batting strike-rates vs Bumrah in IPL (min 10 balls) SKY - 233.3 Dinesh Karthik - 216.6 Pandya vs PAt cummins in IPL- 50 runs in 21 balls, s/r - 238 and in ODI 88 runs in 80 balls Also if small totals is ur idea- fear attacking batsman most in those total coz all it takes is few shots in t20 and game turns on its head Pant - pressure player who has hit bhuvi very badly . Pant s.r against bhuvi is 241 ....70 runs in 29 balls ( Pant hasnt hit him...he has owned him ) Russell + pandya completes power hitting and DK n SKY gives me Range hitting so I have power + range hitting. Even if bumrah n cummins somehow manage to control russell n pandya...i have range hitter to ruin their plan Lower order- Rashid n Archer- can give me quick fire 20s Death overs- Jofra + russell (russell death bowling is massively underrated) Now my Papplu Card Sandeep sharma- guess who are his bunnies ??? Rohit n Kohli Bunny no.1 - Kohli - 12 innings 69 runs Seven dismissals SR 139 Bunny no.2- Rohit - Eight inngs 37 runs Four dismissals SR 88.09 Wait i have one more guy for Rohit Sharma- Jofra archer In IPL - Archer has dismissed rohit twice in 5 balls and in t20i Rohit s/r against Archer is 93 just 93 and in ODI just 54 ...just 54 Since i Know Dhoni can beat the crap out of Sandeep- but i have archer n Russell for him in death Guess who else dhoni doesnt like- Rashid khan and Mystery spinner (i got both ) Guess who else doesnt like Rashid khan- Kohli..scores at a s/r of 93 in t20 Who else doesn't like Rashid - ben stokes- dimissed him twice in 18 balls and stokes scores at a **** s/r of 61 against him Smith, Williamson, Kohli Doesnt get the tempo going in middle overs so guess who i have Rashid khan( a guy who doesnt give runs) . What lovely combo..ur batsman wont score quick my bowler wont let u score quick Since stokes n dhoni wud be under tremendous pressure to slog due to ur anchors ....mystery spinner is the worst guy to face in such situation Every player is selected to strangle ur players....and thats moneyball .Thats how RR won 1st season and KKR bought Sunil narine n found more value in him then anyone ever did before . Thats how every IPL side works now with bunch of analysts who hasnt played game but have all answers in numbers Read each n every point carefully coz thats how u build a side. Explaining this for very long.....u dnt pick big name....u pick players for Right roles Edited April 7, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03 Mariyam and Jodonjo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Global.Baba said: Adding Boult, Dhawan, Mayank and Warner to my elite list Dhawan -one format player- failure in test and t20 Mayank- one format player- failure in LOI till now...only one good IPL. Actually lost his test place to now Edited April 7, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 If you look at baba's 11, even in ODIs many would think twice before fielding it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Global.Baba said: Can you imagine just looking at the elite dugout, the “modern day” boys will start to mentally disintegrate or be in awe and find their autograph books. Team Elite anyday over team “modern day” This reminds me of the myth that rcb had in 1st yr They had - dravid, chanderpaul, kallis, ross taylor, zak , steyn , misbah, anil kumble, boucher , braken ,kohli Even MI had sachin, manish pandey, pollack, jayasuria, fernando , rahane, uthappa, bhajji bravo Guess who won - RR U knw whom they had retired warne, watson, jaddu, sohail tanvir, yusuf , asnodkar,siddarth trivedi, lehmann, kaif, mahesh rawat,munaf, grame smith and many many unknown names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: This reminds me of the myth that rcb had in 1st yr They had - dravid, chanderpaul, kallis, ross taylor, zak , steyn , misbah, anil kumble, boucher , braken ,kohli I was just going to post the RCB line up Link Baba has surpassed RCB today, a true 420 years old soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 Baba in future when his "Elite" 11 is mentioned: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 6, 2021 Share Posted April 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, zen said: I was just going to post the RCB line up Link Baba has surpassed RCB today, a true 420 years old soul Every year they ll be some team that has fallen for big names . Who better then delhi who had gambo, sehwag,dhawan , dilshan, abdv, warner yet cudnt win. I think in one season they had so many big names as openers that it failed. I think it was amomg season 1-3 . Csk reached playoff in season 1 despite hayden, hussey and few others leaving early. I think in final they had 3 overseas. Punjab is another side who have had big names in past but lacks performances. Ofcourse RCB - had biggest of biggest stars yet trophy cabinet is empty. The reason MI is a great side coz they dnt rely on one guy. May be bumrah is one guy whose absence can hurt them but had malinga been playing that also wnt have been a big issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Every year they ll be some team that has fallen for big names . Who better then delhi who had gambo, sehwag,dhawan , dilshan, abdv, warner yet cudnt win. I think in one season they had so many big names as openers that it failed. I think it was amomg season 1-3 . Csk reached playoff in season 1 despite hayden, hussey and few others leaving early. I think in final they had 3 overseas. Punjab is another side who have had big names in past but lacks performances. Ofcourse RCB - had biggest of biggest stars yet trophy cabinet is empty. The reason MI is a great side coz they dnt rely on one guy. May be bumrah is one guy whose absence can hurt them but had malinga been playing that also wnt have been a big issue. Let's look at Baba's top 6 Rohit Kohli Williamson Smith Stokes MSD (WK) Questions have been raised on the top 2 Ro-Ko, at times, many preferring only 1 of them to be in the 11 Williamson, actually found it difficult to get into the 4 overseas players of SRH. Had to be removed (or opted out) as captain iirc Smith, was let go by RR coz for his comical attempt to play high SR innings Stokes, had to be accommodated in the top order by RR as he found going difficult in the death overs esp. with a relatively soft ball Dhoni, loves to take it to the last over Edited April 7, 2021 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Global.Baba said: Criteria: 3 format players and not T20 specialists Rohit Kohli Williamson Smith Stokes MSD (WK) Cummins Ashwin Bumrah Bhuvi Shami Reserves: Holder,Jadeja,Rahane,Rahul,Boult,Dhawan,Warner,Mayank Picked 4 overseas players. How many T20 specialist X1 can beat this team? Not in a one off scenario but consistently ? Also purposely excluding other elite players Morgan,Gayle,Bairstow,Archer,Butler and ABD who might be considered T20 specialists Question for @Ankit_sharma03 @zen How is gayle just a t20 specialist - he was an all format player . He has 2 - 300 in test. Ek kaam kr williamson aur smith ko nikal n play abdv n gayle. But ill have plan for that to. Guess whose sandeep sharma biggest bunny - chris gayle. For abdv ill take shreyas gopal or krunal pandya. Both have troubled him big time even kohli to. Power of matchups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, zen said: Let's look at Baba's top 6 Rohit Kohli Williamson Smith Stokes MSD (WK) Questions have been raised on the top 2 Ro-Ko, at times, many preferring only 1 of them to be in the 11 Williamson, actually found it difficult to get into the 4 overseas players of SRH. Had to be removed (or opted out) as captain iirc Smith, was let go by RR coz for his comical attempt to play high SR innings Stokes, had to be accommodated in the top order by RR as he found going difficult in the death overs esp. with a relatively soft ball Dhoni, loves to take it to the last over I had mentioned all these points and more on how sense less this side is. Cummins is a waste of space with 3 seamers n stokes being already there. But i think he knew pandya will be on another side so he didnt dare take any spinner apart from ashwin or may be im giving him to much credit as this just looks like a fanboi team that ppl make online. Few days ago sunil gavaskar selected his atg ipl side which was also quite senseless with big names doing wrong roles 2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Opening- both slow starters so things remain in control of opposition as RR never goes out of hand, few wkts n ur on backfoot coz RR was not in ur favour Middle over- Williamson n smith - well again both cant take the game away so RR remains in tact Dhoni - has huge issues against spinners who take ball away and he also doesnt like certain kind of pacers Stokes- The guy has a s/r of 126 (laughable) at no.6 in international and 126 at 5 in IPL , in IPL also he did well only when he was made to bat up in top 4 which u cant with ur side since williamson n smith will Basically u have so many anchors wasting so much time and putting so much pressure on stokes n dhoni that they have to slog blindly which is neither forte since both like to take time. Cummins- not a great t20 bowler Shami- bowls a lot of length balls U didnt think even one once before picking one leftie that ill surely go for rashid khan , the one u picked has struggled also against rashid khan Edited April 7, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 9 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Damn i can rip this side point by point into pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 16 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Now a side to beat this Warner KL rahul (he doesnt have a place in test side and his impact his max in t20 so technically he also belongs to my list) SKY Pant Andre Russell Hardik Pandya DK Rashid Khan Jofra Archer Sandeep Sharma (my papplu card) Varun. C Deepak chahar so you had to resort to picking elite players like Warner, Rahul and even Rashid Khan instead of Livingstones and Krunal Pandya Thanks for proving my point. Don’t forget to sanitize that mic before picking it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: so you had to resort to picking elite players like Warner, Rahul and even Rashid Khan instead of Livingstones and Krunal Pandya Thanks for proving my point. Don’t forget to sanitize that mic before picking it up. decide what is ur point....ur urself are picking dhawan, mayank in all 3 format player when they arent U urself are calling ABDV n Gayle t20 specialist when they arent. Correct ur logic 1st I did ask u about warner n rahul is not a 3 format player. N didnt resort to one player. Teams are build with 11 player....even if u take warner out i had plan B in shape of watson or butler . I dnt rely on individuals ...its a structure . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakk Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 MI 11 can beat any Elite 11 Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, zakk said: MI 11 can beat any Elite 11 Ye aapne laakh rupaiye ki baat kahi haaaaaaain zakk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakk Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Ye aapne laakh rupaiye ki baat kahi haaaaaaain Laakh rupaiye de do phir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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